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Amazone I.
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I'm justamente wondering how the so called BCAA's are measured for genotypes
It is said that almost in obsese and diabetic humans they are found in aboundant amounts... and seem to be the culprit of their sickness... but then it is mentioned in literature they mimick a form of insulin resitence and at the same time they mention that all about this thema is discussed controversal...so my question here is.... what's true here
Any enlightment would be more then appreciated  


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Quoted from Amazone I.
I'm justamente wondering how the so called BCAA's are measured for genotypes
It is said that almost in obsese and diabetic humans they are found in aboundant amounts... and seem to be the culprit of their sickness... but then it is mentioned in literature they mimick a form of insulin resitence and at the same time they mention that all about this thema is discussed controversal...so my question here is.... what's true here
Any enlightment would be more then appreciated  


A supportive link:

http://www.diabetesforums.com/forum/type-2-diabetes/64988-new-study-linking-bcaas.html

From this link:

"The study states that the levels of bcaas in the BLOOD are elevated in people with elevated IR

First of all - this is not a causative relationship ... anymore than the fact that there is broken glass at most automobile accidents implies that the broken glass caused the accident.

Secondly - even if the high levels of BCAA do imply IR, before the IR itself becomes evident, but there is NO evbidence that the elevated BCAA is related in any way to diet ... these are all metabolites that can be generated from any food source ... so it only points to the fact that IR is part of a much wider and complex metabolic pathway ...
"  (emphasis mine)

Interesting thought, Isa, how this "complexity" might break down by Genotype.

"...no evidence that the elevated BCAA is related in any way to diet..."

Really? To who's diet, and to what effect?


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thanx for the reply, complete to mine   what I always was asking myselve too is... why none of em do recognize the fact of being secretor or non-secretor... it's much easier then, I guess................

and then please remember... the way of studies are made.....
a lot of fragmental thoughts might be the culprit of a-and presumptions.... I justamente love the aspect that it seems true...science is a beautiful tool to rectify erroneous attitudes .....


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any further thoughts here...


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Seeing my physician tomorrow. I was pre-diabetic (metabolic syndrome) before BTD. He's aware of my progress, but dismissive about my input as to how these changes came about. Even in the face of logic, he concludes the mysterious  "something else"  at work.

Fortunately, I haven't been medicated for this, so there's no point in arguing. But there will be a reckoning over 2 cholesterol meds that he's insisted I continue i.e. "...the numbers are good, so the drugs are working". Well, maybe the numbers are good because the diet is working. At the very least, reasonable to investigate through a six month med hiatus, but so far...."NO".

These are expensive drugs with known side effects and questionable utility in preventing heart disease (they reduce cholesterol numbers, but don't reduce heart attack). Yet the mysterious benefit to me is somehow reasonable, while my desire to be free of them is not.

So here lies our challenge in taking charge of our own health processes. From what we eat, to how we manage the messages we receive, and ultimately how we act upon them. Targeted toward research, pharmacology, and allopathic practitioners, maybe a form of "civil disobedience" is due...

With apologies to Howard Beale: "I'm as sick as Hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!"





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why not promoting and using  *healing mushrooms * here ... instead of drugs...


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Just returned from Dr. and have been taken off ALL meds for 3-4 months to re-evaluate. Apparently he's finally convinced that I'm healthier than ever and there should be no need for them.

Isa, I've been taking Nitricycle which includes Cordyceps, taking a reishi tincture from Herb Pharm, and eating mitake mushrooms regularly. Shitake are avoids for me, but I suppose I could eat them as a compromise, at least temporarily through this transition and continued healing process.

Would any others be recommended? (forgive me, I know you've mentioned it before, but I can't seem to find the thread    )

No matter what, I will not resort to pharmaceuticals again.  
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