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kescah
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I have, in the past, taken a supplement that has ox bile, enzymes and duodenal tissue. I really like it- I think it took my gallstones down in size.

However, I wonder if there is something I should check out from Dr. D's liver cleanse supplements. I like to be compliant, but I don't really want to give up any of the substances in the old supplement.

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follow the liver cleanse and leave your beloved old ones for a while


how often do you liver cleanse?

once a month should be enough

try Dr D s protocol once and compare notes


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Lola,

For years I have done a liver cleanse once a year, getting numerous stones each time. The last time, I had a stone that felt too big to pass. I used a homeopathic remedy to push the stone away from the bile duct where it was stuck. Then I used three bottles of the ox-bile, enzymes and duodenal tissue supplement to hopefully shrink the stone(s). I have not had a problem since then, at least not with gallstone colic, but my liver feels heavy and I have the dull pressure in the back that my acupuncturist once told me was gallstones. He was right, because after the flushes, that feeling leaves.

I'll see if I can find Dr. D's protocol. I want to do whatever is right for my type.


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Hi again,

I checked out the protocol, but I don't see anything that I am aware would shrink a stone. I don't dare do flushing without that help first, because I fear winding up in the operating room.

Unless someone can tell me something that would help....


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It is my understanding that (some acid in) apple juice helps to soften stones.  

I drink it regularly along with taking liver support products to assist my liver/gall bladder with the housecleaning it is currently doing...


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Thanks.

I had done apple juice mixed with SuperPhos, then took an olive oil mixture at the end of the third day. The stones passed painlessly. But this year they would not pass, blocked by the large stone, or so it seemed.


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Maybe drink the AJ for a longer period prior to attempting the cleanse?


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Kescah,  do you do the Epsom salts drink with your liver cleanse?   3 tbsp. in 4 cups of water.  Drink 3/4 c. at 6 pm and the same at 8 pm and then the oil at 10 pm.  Take another 3/4 c. the next morning at 6 am and again at 8 am.  Then wait 2 hrs. before you eat.  It helps relax all the ducts, but it definitely cleans you out so be close to the bathroom.

That Epsom salts has to be food grade.




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Thanks, BCgal. I assume you do the apple juice first? Or no need? Is the Epsom salts water hard to get down?

ABJoe, you could be right- that might help. As a candida person, the less carbs the better, but of course, you have to get rid of the stones one way or another, and I think that is the better option.


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Kescah, yes, I do three days of apple juice fasting first.  Then I do the Epsom salts water and the oil with grapefruit/lemon juice the latter part of the third day.  The info I have says to refridgerate the Epsom salts water to make it easier to get down but I had read elsewhere that cold was not good for the liver so I just leave it at room temperature.  I don't have a problem with it, but I do have a sip of and rinse my mouth out with plain water after.  The info I'm following also says to not eat or drink anything (other than the Epsom salts water and the oil mixture at 10 pm) after 2 pm or you could feel quite ill later.  I've always followed that so can't say what would happen if you didn't.



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it seems sensible, that if you do a full liver cleanse that you do some other cleanses first. namely parasites and kidney.

i would also recommend that you do a colon cleanse just before your liver cleans and also a few days after. i would not skip this bit!

I would also read a whole book before you do your first one to be mindful of things like cancer.


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I love Hepatiguard and I take it for a few weeks every Spring.  Just feel it helps with detoxing from heavy winter foods.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP043

This too
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP044

Here's the Liver Support protocols for all blood types
http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/19.html


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Maybe use your old "tried and true" remedies now, to shrink and then flush out the stones, and then start doing the "gentle liver cleanse" a month later, and keep doing that every month for maintenance.


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Thanks for your answer, BCGal.

Policychecker, what book would you recommend? Also, how do you do a kidney cleanse?

Chloe, thanks for the info/links.

Ruth, Yes. I do think I should do the tried and true, and then I should stay on a liver support protocol.


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The problem with recommending any book is that there is rarely a book written by anyone other than Dr D that I completely agree with.

for example moritz's book on liver cleanses is great except he rattles on about veganism and all sorts of stuff that i just think is daft. no disrespect meant to him, i just don't agree with him,. the last email i got back from Andreas was, when i questioned him about veganism, was a email saying he had been healthy and lived a vegan life for 40 years. He died a few months later aged in his early 50 i think. also the books tend to advertise more of there services. i don't like paying for adverts in effect. to be fair a lot of that repeating of ideas is the book companies method of selling more to you and is perhaps a necessary evil if ou want to get a book published.

Hulda Clark's books are better but more harsh. neither lived to a ripe old age so you have to question whether they actually did what they recommended. although to be fair their health was bad to begin with. but the claims that anything can be cured by these methods alone is it seems untrue....


if however you eat correctly and exercise correctly and live a life of decency, stress free life (in the most part like blood type diet , geno or swami then the odds i think are better for you.

so do you do gentle cleanses and protocols like dr Dr perhaps would. or a combination, that's a difficult one.

my thought are though that if you are going to do a Hulda Clarke cleanse then you do it properly i.e you get rid of parasites, then a kidney cleanse and then a liver cleanse. I read all of their books. but if dr d had written a book on it i wouldn't have needed to read them.


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Kescah, yes, I do three days of apple juice fasting first.  Then I do the Epsom salts water and the oil with grapefruit/lemon juice the latter part of the third day.  The info I have says to refridgerate the Epsom salts water to make it easier to get down but I had read elsewhere that cold was not good for the liver so I just leave it at room temperature.  I don't have a problem with it, but I do have a sip of and rinse my mouth out with plain water after.  The info I'm following also says to not eat or drink anything (other than the Epsom salts water and the oil mixture at 10 pm) after 2 pm or you could feel quite ill later.  I've always followed that so can't say what would happen if you didn't.


The cleanse that I do periodically is from a website named Sensible Health - great info. The malic acid is what you are after in the apple juice. Malic acid can be bought as a supplement. I am not diabetic but it is recommended on Sensible Health.com that for those who are, use the supplement.
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just be mindful that the malic acid compound needs to be taken for twice as long as the apple juice to get the same effect.


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Hi Kescah,

How about beside that use Geno Harmonic foods help also. Well, we have to eat every day   so please take advance from food in Swami recommend. For example:

Geno Harmonic Foods
Enhancing Cellular Detoxification

Simply reference a food you will be using at the left, and try to combine it with Geno Harmonic foods that are listed to the right.

These Geno-Harmonic food relationships emphasize superbeneficial foods for your blood type and GenoType which contain nutrients that enhance detoxification. Many of the genes found in the liver (the 'Phase I and Phase II' enzyme systems) speed the removal of man-made (xenobiotic) chemicals from the body. These are enhanced by choosing to eat foods combined as listed below. Other food combinations enhance the ability of the body's cells to excrete their metabolic waste products into the blood and lymph. Food combinations which speed removal of waste material from the intestines and kidneys or balance the level of microbial overgrowth in the digestive tract are also emphasized

Broccoli Raab, Rapini
(Live Foods)
     BOK CHOY, PAK CHOI • CANISTEL • CAULIFLOWER • COCONUT OIL • CORNISH HEN • CRANBERRY JUICE • ENDIVE • GOJI BERRY JUICE • HORSERADISH • PERCH • PILCHARDS • PORGY • PUMPKIN FLOWERS • WATERMELON SEEDS • ZUCCHINI •

Butterfish
(Fish and Seafood)
     BOK CHOY, PAK CHOI • CANISTEL • CAULIFLOWER • COCONUT OIL • CRANBERRY JUICE • ENDIVE • FEIJOA • GOJI BERRY JUICE • GRAPEFRUIT • HORSERADISH • PAW PAW • PERSIMMON • PRICKLY PEAR • PUMPKIN FLOWERS • SPANISH MELON •

Cranberry Juice
(Beverages)
     BOK CHOY, PAK CHOI • CANISTEL • CAULIFLOWER • COCONUT OIL • ENDIVE • FEIJOA • GOJI BERRY JUICE • GRAPEFRUIT • HORSERADISH • PAW PAW • PERSIMMON • PRICKLY PEAR • PUMPKIN FLOWERS • SPANISH MELON • ZUCCHINI

Endive
(Live Foods)
     BOK CHOY, PAK CHOI • BRUSSELS SPROUT • CANISTEL • CAULIFLOWER • COCONUT OIL • CORNISH HEN • CRANBERRY JUICE • GOJI BERRY JUICE • HORSERADISH • PERCH • PILCHARDS • PORGY • PUMPKIN FLOWERS • WATERMELON SEEDS • ZUCCHINI •

Ghee, Clarified Butter
(Dairy)
     BOK CHOY, PAK CHOI • CANISTEL • CAULIFLOWER • ENDIVE • FEIJOA • GRAPEFRUIT • HORSERADISH • PAW PAW • PERSIAN MELON • PERSIMMON • PRICKLY PEAR • PUMPKIN FLOWERS • SPANISH MELON • WATERMELON SEEDS • ZUCCHINI •

Green Tea, Kukicha, Bancha
(Beverages)
     ARTICHOKE FLOUR, PASTA • ASIAN PEAR • COCONUT OIL • CRANBERRY JUICE • FEIJOA • GOJI BERRY JUICE • GRAPEFRUIT • NUTMEG • PAW PAW • PEPPERMINT • PERSIAN MELON • PERSIMMON • PRICKLY PEAR • SPANISH MELON • THYME •

I know it all about MONEY!
Lucky some foods available in local market   but still MONEY.  Often, my boss offer me extra hour for work and I never say no, that way I have money to buy and help my 5 niece and nephew for them school.

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Those genoharmonic foods are specific to one person. my GH combos are different from the ones suggested for my daughter on our two separate SWAMIs.


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Thank you, Wanthanee, for the reminder about GenoHarmonic foods. I will have to see what mine are, again, and see if there are some that I can eat. [[[Hugs!]]]

My priority is to get rich and be able to buy the Deflect and Intrinsa and the Ox-Bile stuff. Then I will be able to progress more. Right now I am comfortable enough with avoiding allergins and using olive oil on the arms. Still testing foods and finding things I can and cannot eat. I hate to test a new food in case it makes me itch!


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And please, how do you do a kidney cleanse?


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And please, how do you do a kidney cleanse?


I think this would be your first point of call...

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/29.html



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Thank you, Wanthanee, for the reminder about GenoHarmonic foods. I will have to see what mine are, again, and see if there are some that I can eat. [[[Hugs!]]]

My priority is to get rich and be able to buy the Deflect and Intrinsa and the Ox-Bile stuff. Then I will be able to progress more. Right now I am comfortable enough with avoiding allergins and using olive oil on the arms. Still testing foods and finding things I can and cannot eat. I hate to test a new food in case it makes me itch!



Mai Phen Rai Kha = you are very welcome.

My kidney is normal I never did a kidney cleanse though. My husband just get a test done for Creatinine. It is under Comprehensive Metabolic Profile result. So, his Creatinine  is High

1.32 mg/dL   REF. Range: 0.50-1.20

So, his Doctor told him to drink more water, 3 bottles per day.

I read somewhere says:

“Two main factors which may be attributed for failure of Kidney are high blood pressure and diabetes. Vegetarian diet has no substitute to reduce the menace of diseases. Protein, particularly animal protein is responsible for accumulation of calcium, uric acid and oxalates in urine.”

“ Considerations

-To test for kidney failure, a Doctor can test your urine for levels of albumin protein, creatinine(waste from muscle cells), hemoglobin(if the kidneys are not working properly, hemoglobin levels may fall), phosphorus, potassium, and urea(waste from protein you have eaten). The most common tests are BUN(blood urea nitrogen) and serum creatinine.

-Lead and other metallic poisons are very harmful to the kidneys. Anyone who works with lead, or who is exposed to lead regularly, should take precautions to protect his or her kidneys from damage

-If you have diabetes, high blood sugar, high blood pressure, or a family history of kidney disease, you may be at higher risk for kidney disease.

-Infectious diseases, such as measles, scarlet fever, and tonsillitis, can damage the kidneys if not treated properly and completely.

-A study reported in the Journal of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine found that treatment with coenzymeQ10 decreased the progression of kidney disease and also reversd renal dysfunction in a majority of patients with end-stage disease.

-A study at the pharmaceutical department of China University in Japan found that spirulina reduced kidney poisoning caused by mercury and drugs. Researchers discovered that adverse effects of certain drugs on the kidneys also may be decreased by the use of spirulina.

-High doses of the painkiller ibuprofen (advil, Nuprin, and others) can lead to kidney dysfunction.”

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