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Wally
Thursday, May 2, 2013, 2:43pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hello everyone.
I've been on the ERFYT diet for just over 2 years and SWAMI for about 3 months of that, eating compliant foods about 90% of the time. About a week ago, I contracted shingles which is an autoimmune reaction (I am also hypothyroidic and lost about 30% to Alopetia, which has all grown back with medication and diet). Now, I've never had a shingle problem before or anything close to it.
Is this a case of my body detoxing, or is my immune system that messed up? I didn't get any of the side effects, just the itching and blistering.
Thanks for any comments.
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Wally
Thursday, May 2, 2013, 2:48pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Oh yea, I forgot say that I haven't been sick, not even the common cold, since I started this diet.
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but you have in fact eaten quite a few undesirable additives .....like your dried fruit episode.....to name a few
the excess sugar plays havoc to us susceptible folk

try going back to basics....slowly but surely, build up your immunity.....plan ahead.....read ingredients in all ready made stuff you purchase.....
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Wally
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I originally though it was the dried fruit and it could've had something to do with it, but I think it goes deeper than that. Could it be my body getting rid of that virus? Like I said, I haven't been sick in 2 years and I used to get the flu regularily, as well as stomach ailments.
I started using generic Probiotics this week, but I will order the A type specific. I've also been taking L-Lysine to help progress it faster.
That's another thing, I've cut back on the peanuts (I was eating a ton) and started almond milk instead of soy (maybe too much Arganine). I think I'll go back to soy.
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use your genoharmonics and superfoods......avoid all extra sweeteners in the milk you buy....learn to make your own compliant foods.....

additives of any kind really mess up my system.....we are the susceptible kind....be good to yourself

have you ever tried deflect to help heal past damage done?


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It is possible that this is cleaning / healing since you only had the itching and blistering.  The body does flush junk out through the skin which can cause many types of eruptions.  There can be old "bugs" hiding in stored waste within the body as well, that are released and fought as the body cleans internally.

The best thing to do is, as Lola says, keep up the good stuff and watch closely to keep out the bad.  


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Wally
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Yes, ABJoe, I feel great otherwise. Lots of energy, sleeping well (other than the irritation waking me), digestive system working well, etc.
One other note, before I started SWAMI, yogurt and cheese were an avoid. I have since introduced them back into my diet. Since this bacteria helps the gut ie: immune system...I wonder.

Lola, I think I'll go with Polyflora A for now and see.
I've tried to keep out the bad regularly since I started.

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I've tried to keep out the bad regularly since I started


I know.....we have all gone that route and have learned from our mistakes when finetunning

one recent example being that dried fruit and your mentioning of
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cut back on the peanuts (I was eating a ton)


ok I know it wasn t a ton per se but I hope you get my drift of learning to listen to your body and practicing a more vigilant form of guideline when choosing what nutrient you put in your body

practice cortisol lowering exercises......alternate breathing is like medicine to you As


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Quoted from ABJoe
It is possible that this is cleaning / healing since you only had the itching and blistering.  The body does flush junk out through the skin which can cause many types of eruptions.  There can be old "bugs" hiding in stored waste within the body as well, that are released and fought as the body cleans internally.

The best thing to do is, as Lola says, keep up the good stuff and watch closely to keep out the bad.  
Right, if the OP lost much fat, the toxins that were stored in it may be causing this skin condition.

I wonder what the SWAMI picked for Wally's Genotype?



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Dairy is high in lysine which is beneficial for herpes viruses like shingles.  Must be in balance with
arginine which is very high in nuts.  The push towards higher lysine foods is helpful for shingles.  My type A friend who is very likely a Teacher shifted her diet away from lots of nuts and started taking in more beneficial dairy and hasn't had a shingles outbreak this year.  In the past, she
relapsed often.

I wonder if you're a Teacher, Wally.  You'd get ample dairy foods on that diet.  Might be better for
you than the BTD.









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Wally
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Quoted from SquarePeg
Right, if the OP lost much fat, the toxins that were stored in it may be causing this skin condition.

I wonder what the SWAMI picked for Wally's Genotype?



Teacher. I have 9 whorls and many other tests pointed right to it.
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Wally
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Quoted from Chloe
Dairy is high in lysine which is beneficial for herpes viruses like shingles.  Must be in balance with
arginine which is very high in nuts.  The push towards higher lysine foods is helpful for shingles.  My type A friend who is very likely a Teacher shifted her diet away from lots of nuts and started taking in more beneficial dairy and hasn't had a shingles outbreak this year.  In the past, she
relapsed often.

I wonder if you're a Teacher, Wally.  You'd get ample dairy foods on that diet.  Might be better for
you than the BTD.









Yes Chloe, I am a Teacher and use SWAMI.
I had been eating way too many peanuts, almonds, and drinking alot of almond milk. I have backed way down (none) and ramped up the yogurt and cheese (also L-Lysine for a supplement) until this clears.
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I had shingles last summer, it was a combination of stresses that caused it and not a detox for me...(A food I had trusted for years and so didn't check the ingredients had changed and I ate a small amount of gluten, bad news about a close relative's health, and the air conditioner went out during 100 degree weather)  It took about a month for   the different aspects of the condition to run it's course but I still have a slight redness where the rashes were.  I tried coconut oil for the rash but it didn't help only calamine lotion worked for me.
I hope you feel better soon, I found it to be very annoying.
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I'm sorry to hear about that. I had a shingles outbreak pre-BTD, and it was miserable.
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Oh yea, I forgot say that I haven't been sick, not even the common cold, since I started this diet.
Shingles is a sure sign that your immune system function is very low. The immune system reaction to the cold virus makes you feel worse than the virus itself, so you may have had it but didn't fight it hard.

I'm not surprised you are a Teacher!
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To shingles.. a form of fever blisters, .... Take 500 mg Pantothenic acid for one bottle then take one bottle of the next lower dose available, then change to 100 mg's for the rest of your life.. cheap ..

Nap has another form available, that might be better... The above suggestion is from the ER4YT Encyclopedia ... read years ago...  

Can you still get vaccinated.. Might be expensive but worth it. Cheaper if you buy the vaccine frozen in the pharmacy and get it injected by your doctor, then buying from your doctor...

Shingles is a horror if it comes out in other places.. so wash your hands when you touch the blisters..

Shingles on my sister looked like a pinprick size yet she had it.

  


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The shingles vaccine is intended for folks 50 years or older.  Otherwise it's considered "off-label" and might be hard to get.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I've been taking pantothenic acid for years. I had no clue it helped with shingles!

I also thought shingles was so painful that one couldn't do anything, but it sounds like some of you could function.

What do you all think of taking the medication if you diagnose it within a day?  It is supposed to head it off, so you get a very small case of it.

One woman in the nursing home had it (over 20 yrs.ago) & said it was so bad that she would rather give birth to her 8 kids all over again instead of having the shingles!
Another older friend wasn't able to sleep much for 6 weeks if I remember right. I think these 2 women were in their later 70s when they had it.


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"I also thought shingles was so painful that one couldn't do anything, but it sounds like some of you could function."

It is painful but I think broken bones hurt more.  I first had skin pain.  It was weird and I couldn't remember falling or hitting myself to cause the pain.  Then when the rash appears it itches and stings (calamine lotions helps this) and there was a really bad pain that felt like a giant had picked me up and ripped me in half.  That would always make me stop until it subsided.  And the first week after the rash appeared I felt sick like.  I remember trying to go for a walk and turning around and heading home.  And I'm sure everyone has a different eperience, my rash was like a two inch ribbon around my waist but some people get a much larger rash that spreads. And age probably would be a contributing factor to the severity too.

Oh, and it is uncomfortable to sleep on the rash and getting too warm causes it to sting and itch more, so yeah, it can keep you awake.
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I had shingles in grade 8.  Felt like I had been kicked in the ribs for a few days and then I had a 3 inch rash appear under my right breast.  Got cream from the doc for it.  Don't remember it being as bad as some have described, so there's probably a lot to that age factor.  



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I've been taking pantothenic acid for years. I had no clue it helped with shingles!

I also thought shingles was so painful that one couldn't do anything, but it sounds like some of you could function.


I've been taking pantothenic acid for many years too. My older sister broke out in a rash that was diagnosed as shingles, she went home and took a ton of supplements which was very heavy on the B-Vitamins and in just a few days she was feeling all right and the rash was gone. She was no spring chicken when this happened, either. So the first line of defense in my book is to load up with supplements!

An older friend got it and was in terrible shape for two long years and could not even stand to be hugged all that time. It was horrible!!


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I had a shingles attack last summer, too.  It is a virus that attacks the nerves.  I don't understand how it would be stored in fat and then released as a toxin when the fat is burned/lost...???  If you have had chicken pox, you have the shingles virus in your system.  Period.  It can erupt at any time, is my understanding of it.  My outbreak was pretty mild apparently, compared to some horror stories I've read and heard about.  At first I tried a home remedy that was like a pesto pack and did nothing to help, then I went to a MD and got some antiviral meds that cleared it up.  I didn't know about the B vitamins.  I tried everything though, and I think if it happens again I'll just go with the meds first.
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I had a shingles attack last summer, too.  It is a virus that attacks the nerves.  I don't understand how it would be stored in fat and then released as a toxin when the fat is burned/lost...???  If you have had chicken pox, you have the shingles virus in your system.  Period.  It can erupt at any time, is my understanding of it.

The virus cell is much smaller than most other cells, so it can live within the larger cells...  When the fat is burned, etc., the live virus cells are "forced" out to find new living quarters and cause a fight within the body due to antibodies from the initial infection.  If there are too many virus cells or the immune system is weak, the virus symptoms are exhibited, etc...  

I am under the impression that if your system has been working well, the body would be dealing with the waste regularly and there would not be "hiding places" where old pests can hide long-term...


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If there was an ounce of extra fat on this older friend of mine, I can't imagine where it was. I doubt she weighed a hundred pounds. She is gone now, but she did have several years of good health after the shingles.


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"For decades, the varicella-zoster virus hides deep in the knotty ganglia of the sensory nerves for the skin, at the end of the nerve nearest the spine.  As long as the immune system "remembers" how it finally defeated the virus during the chickenpox infection, it can keep the virus bottled up with the nerve cell's DNA.

If the immune system ever "forgets" how to fight the virus, however, it can begin to replicate itself and to travel along the nerve to the skin. The cause of immune compromise that lets the virus escape is usually stress of some sort."
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