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Kasia
Wednesday, May 1, 2013, 5:00pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hello,
I've just come across an article in the Nature Magazine about potential risk of death from heart disease for people who eat (a lot of) beef. Since I am a Hunter I do eat more beef than I used to (but usually no more than twice a week) - how seriously should I be taking those new revelations?

Here's the link to this article:
http://www.nature.com/news/red-meat-wrong-bacteria-bad-news-for-hearts-1.12746

Kind regards,
Kasia


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Consumption of red meat has been found to increase the risk of death from heart disease, even when controlling for levels of fat and cholesterol2. To find out why, Hazen and his colleagues gave the nutrient l-carnitine found in red meat and dairy products — to 77 volunteers, including 26 who were vegans or vegetarians. One committed vegan even agreed to eat a 200-gram sirloin steak.


This was discussed here:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-journalclub/m-1365381613/s-new/
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Read this
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....a01dff5ab5f2c9a22d45

I think that kind of studies are pretty bad science studies...


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Dr. D commented on this study not too long ago.  If you search, you should be able to find the thread.  From what I remember, there was no final conclusion as to what Hunters and other meat eaters should do.


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http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-journalclub/m-1365381613/s-new/#num7
This is the same authors prior article on choline promoting atherogenesis through conversion by gut bacteria into TMAO:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3086762/


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Did the study separate out people by  blood type? Of course As are going to have more heart disease when they eat beef!


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One study does not really show a whole picture.  It can't take all the extra variables into account that can't be all considered.  Just like those studies that say coffee is great for you, and others that say it is bad.  

It is good and bad, depending on who you are and how you were created!  I would go with Dr. D's findings first.
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while using herbs and fruit juices you undergo the bad cooking issues here... and as always is and has been... fragmental thought won't help us here out...we've to see the whole picture ....and btw... it should be remarked here too- processed meats can be one of the culprits (if you look at their conventional risings of meats and how
its filled up with chemical bombes... here lays merely the dangers - I guess ) !!!


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some say lamb may be a better red meat option......at present, both red meats are not well digested by my system, possibly my hcl production is low, also can affect kidneys in some way, if one has a kidney yin deficiency (TCM) term.  will try just one lamb loin chop again soon probably around lunch-time (not in kidney energy time - 5pm to 7pm again), with vegetables, for now, I still love sardines best of all, a little poultry.....eating meat does seem to slow down elimination for me - fast oxidizer type person advised to eat lamb, eggs, sardines mostly.
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I eat a lot of meat & don't worry about it. I do try to avoid the fat on it, but I'm sure I get some as it is impossible to get rid of it all.
Remember that those on the Atkins diet had good cholesterol, so maybe what you eat with the meat affects it.
As I get older, I find that I don't tolerate a lot of beans like I could before.  Too bad I'm gettting so expensive!

We BTDers need to not freak out whenever another one of these studies comes out!

My AB husband can eat a big portion of pasta & I can eat a lot of meat at one sitting.  Each would be considered bad by some study, but I see that we both are eating right!

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I eat plenty of meat, butter, ghee, and coconut oil. I make no special effort to avoid fatty meats. I just had my annual blood work last week, and everything is in the healthy range: cholesterol, triglycerides, etc.


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Have "herd" this guy is quite controversial among scientists, but would be good news for Hunters (and many starving folks in drought ridden areas).... http://tv.greenmedinfo.com/allan-savory-how-to-green-the-worlds-deserts-and-reverse-climate-change/


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Have "herd" this guy is quite controversial among scientists, but would be good news for Hunters (and many starving folks in drought ridden areas).... http://tv.greenmedinfo.com/allan-savory-how-to-green-the-worlds-deserts-and-reverse-climate-change/
Good news for life on the planet. His projects use livestock to imitate nature and change climates, reversing 'desertification' process to turn desert land back to fertile soil.

"He turns a desert into pools of water, a parched land into springs of water" - Psalms 107,35.

"Rabbi Shimon Bar Yokhai said: Three things weigh the same: Land, Man, and Rain." This sentence was given to us in the metriculation exam as one of the topics to write an essay about. The affirmation fascinated me, but I couldn't understand what Rabbi Shimon meant by including "Man" in the equation, and what role could Man have in climate issues. Had Savory's videos been included in our high school program, I surely would have written something about this subject.



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I read that one person who is still alive and well at over 100 eats bacon daily on habits of people over 100 today on yahoo!  Got to be a hunter or maybe a nomad to hack that fat!
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Quoted from Easy E
I read that one person who is still alive and well at over 100 eats bacon daily on habits of people over 100 today on yahoo!  Got to be a hunter or maybe a nomad to hack that fat!


Wondering about D'Adamo writings on Hunter and Nomad fat metabolism.
Could you direct me?
Thanks.



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He didn't write much.  Just at the end part of the GTD book, he has general recommendations.  For meats, he states that red meat is not a good choice for most A's who are teachers or esp. warriors (unless a treat once in a while) unless they are explorers, in which case it is beneficial in certain amounts.

He goes on to say that fat content is something explorers and gatherers should be wary of, but is not so much a concern for hunters and nomads.  Not sure of the exact mechanisms for this though.  
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