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Lapisrose
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I am a type "O" who has spent much of my adult life as a vegetarian/vegan/raw vegan. I was blown away by ER4YT, in that every single one of my health issues (hypothyroidism, candiasis, gluten intolerance, and arthritis to name a few) was addressed on my blood type. I have begun incorporating meat back into my life, but I am not entirely happy about this. I'd like to hear from other type "O"s who were previously vegetarians...especially those who have done this long term - how has this diet/lifestyle affected you? how have you coped?
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Hi Lapisrose,

You will find a number of ex-vegetarians on this site. I am one - I was vegetarian for 18 years.

I didn't want to give up vegetarianism, believing that I was doing the best thing for my body and my health. Unfortunately neither my body or my health agreed with me. It took a long time to manifest that vegetarianism was in reality doing me harm so it took a while to come around to changing back to meat-eating.

When I did though, my body and my health were VERY grateful. Now my favourite food is beef steak!!! I would never go back to vegetarianism.


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I was vegetarian when I was a young adult, from about age 20 to 24.  I was convinced that I needed to eat dairy (cheese, yogurt) in order to get adequate protein and to stave off low blood sugar.  And I would have pasta with tofu "meat" sauce or cheese ravioli for supper often.  So I was weak, phlegm-congested and irritable almost all the time.  And I had occasional back pain like someone was sticking an electrified knife between my disks.

I feel SO much better now even though the years say I should be weaker and sicker.  You'd think if someone ate an entire leg of lamb he have to lie down to rest afterward.  But instead I become energized and alert.

Anyway, I have found that I can be a vegetarian or even a vegan at one meal a few times per week by falling back on beneficial (or neutral) legumes and grains such as aduki beans, black beans, quinoa, rice, spelt.

I don't need to follow some strict regimen just to label myself a certain way or appease a social unit.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Lapisrose, I can soooo relate!  I ate no meat for more than 30 years. Occasionally, I did eat seafood.  Hated poultry.
About 10 years ago, I decided that bacon smelled awfully good, so I ate that from time to time. Also, cold, pressed pork sausages.  Imagine choosing pork, of all meats, to be the one and only! I also ate soy and lots of cheeses. I ate plenty of vegetables, fruit, legumes. And pasta, especially ravioli in winter time.

I was fatigued, brain fogged, runny nosed, achey, anxious, pot-bellied, probably irritable. Was Dx'd with an auto-immune condition.  Naturopath/TCM told me to quit the wheat and dairy and eat meat. She said this for 10 years before I did it.
In TCM, lamb is best. Beef is good. Pork OK, but not as good as beef , poultry-- good. Bone broth is wonderful. Oily fishes are best. Rotate your foods.
Dairy creates a cloud bank on your brain.  The TCM (traditional chinese medicine)pretty much aligns with my Swami diet.

I started eating beef by adding it to things like chili, where it is somewhat disguised. I buy grass fed beef at Trader Joe's. If I have to eat beef, I want to eat only the most nutritious. I try to eat wild salmon and only yellow fin tuna. I make a black bean and fish chowder that has a tomato base. There is one brand of sardines I can tolerate.  I eat a bit of turkey if it is moist. I tried to like turkey sausages; cannot do it yet. Try adding ground turkey to soups, etc.

I try to eat meat or fish 2X daily.  Some days, I eat neither, but not often.
I  feel much better than I did, but can still have periods of fatigue.  

For me, avoiding wheat and dairy has been as helpful as adding meat.  Can you start by disguising meat or poultry in other dishes?  




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Another former vegetarian here.

I was a strong believer in macrobiotics until I actually tried to follow it strictly. I got very specific advice from a macrobiotic counselor, and it just didn't work for me. I felt tired most of the time and people told me I looked emaciated.

I know some people who have done very well on macrobiotics, and most of them are blood type A. Figures.

I think adding some grassfed meat to my diet has helped me, but SWAMI has me eating more animal protein than I feel comfortable with. I'm still experimenting and trying to find the right balance for myself.


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I was a vegan/vegetarian for 18 years. Never thought I would eat meat.. however, I started with fish and then some poultry, and then beef. Everytime I try to go back to vegetarianism, my mind is scattered and I feel like I just am not "right".

I struggle with the meat as you will read in my posts, but I am doing better and just trying to go slow.

I am o-, and I really think my body requires animal protein. You can do it, however, you have to believe it works for you.

Grass fed beef at 90/10 is what I buy and dont have a problem with digesting it at all. Weird.
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My daughter was very ill several years ago, we went fat free vegan, we lasted 6 months as we were never more ill or angry.

Thank god we found the Blood type diet and Dr D. we are all doing sawmi, getting better each day.

I have helped many others do the same especially O's going from vegetarian or vegan to easting right for your type over the years. all much healthier and the vegans especially are happier and not very angry any more. I must say that this is helped my Dr D's supplements too. I am a recent convert to this (catechol, B12, etc but notice the difference recently to myself too.

like everything it helps to start slowly and be gentle with yourself. read some of dr D's books and follow his advice on how to change from one diet to the blood type diet. he has a 4 weekly guide on how to do it. they work very well.

just be aware of detox, it gets a bit hard at the beginning but soon passes. don't be put off/ good luck.


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one big thing. we all went from having a hell of a lot of wind, and I mean a lot. to having very little. lol

stopping wheat was a big help.


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Thank you all for your replies I am finding them very encouraging!
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Lapisrose....You will feel so much better! I was veg for 27 yrs!!! I had bad asthma for that whole time....lo and behold, after quitting wheat and gluten and eating meat...I didn';t really have asthma!!!! A miracle!!
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When I decided that my hubby and I were going to try eating meat again, I told him that we would give it one month. If after one month we hadn't noticed any improvement in health, then we would go right back to being vegetarians. That was five years ago, lol! We've never looked back.


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Quoted from SquarePeg

I don't need to follow some strict regimen just to label myself a certain way or appease a social unit.


Lapisrose, I´m sure this quote from Squarepeg resonates with you! I too am a former vegetarian of 27years! who dabbled in veganism & macrobiotics like many others here thinking it best for my health. Well..I became very lethargic and  very overweight, bloated and with digestion problems, finding it almost impossible to drop weight no matter how little I ate...at one point I was almost anorexic just consuming 600 cals a day! Crazy!!!

I did lose weight eventually when I increased my exercise and included some fish...it´s only in recent times I´ve also included turkey, lamb and occasional beef...I think it´s best to take it slowly..replacing tofu with turkey gradually.I´m still not comfortable handling raw meat, so my DH does all that! He´s blood group A and has reversed his way of eating as he cannot digest red meat at all...

Like others have found digesting beef and lamb are a doddle for me   compared to the pain and discomfort when I ate wholewheat bread pasta and pulses...though I do miss tofu still!!!

You have certainly come to the right place
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What I've found interesting after being on this Forum is how vegetarianism/veganism holds such a strong appeal to Type O folks - in particular. It makes me curoius as to why...

It seems that the people who do well with vegetarianism often find themselves there quite by accident, that's how it's been with me as well as several Type A's that I know. But with you O's, it's never an accident - you have made a conscious decision to go in that direction.

Any input? What made you swear off meat?


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Lapisrose
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I never even really liked meat as a child.  I would eat what was put on my plate, but if I got another helping of anything it was all about the veggies.  Then as I became more aware of the animal kingdom in my teen years, I grew more and more distasteful towards eating those I considered co-residents on this planet.  No one in my family thought like me...it's just how I have always felt about it.
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I think the reason so many O's are attracted to vegetarianism is due to grains. Grains, esp. wheat, are addictive....really. I understand they have opiatelike substances that O's are less adapted to....so we start loving that kind of food....and craving it.
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and it's cheaper lol


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Quoted from Lapisrose
I never even really liked meat as a child.  I would eat what was put on my plate, but if I got another helping of anything it was all about the veggies.-snip-
I hated anything my mother made from ground beef.  She would buy old, marked-down grayish-looking beef, overcook it and throw away the fat, so it had a dry, sandy texture.  Ugg.  I didn't care much for vegetables either, but then again we never had them fresh.  I *always* zeroed in on the noodles.

I remember being very young and discovering the magic of the words, "I'm full."  I didn't know exactly what it meant, but I found out that when I said it I didn't have to finish what I left in my plate.  The words, "I don't like it," OTOH, had absolutely no magic to them.  


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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So more of a "starchatarian" appeal? Ok - I understand that. Thanks for your responses


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. . Then as I became more aware of the animal kingdom in my teen years, I grew more and more distasteful towards eating those I considered co-residents on this planet.  No one in my family thought like me...it's just how I have always felt about it.


Same here.  I'm not a type O   but I did live as a vegetarian for nearly 25 years.  I believed so strongly in it that I nearly let it destroy my health and well-being.  There came a point when I realized I had to make a decision about losing my life or changing my attitude.  I did choose to live and for me that meant eating right for my body.  I'm thriving on lamb and cold-water fish now, going on 14 years.  I love animals and respect their place in the circle of life.  I'm strongly opposed to animal abuse and factory farming.  There is a rightness in conscious and compassionate animal farming.



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Same here.  I'm not a type O   but I did live as a vegetarian for nearly 25 years.  I believed so strongly in it that I nearly let it destroy my health and well-being.  There came a point when I realized I had to make a decision about losing my life or changing my attitude.  I did choose to live and for me that meant eating right for my body.  I'm thriving on lamb and cold-water fish now, going on 14 years.  I love animals and respect their place in the circle of life.  I'm strongly opposed to animal abuse and factory farming.  There is a rightness in conscious and compassionate animal farming.


You are so wise and I am glad you chose to "live"!!! When I get overwhelmed, i try to stop and think about what others have gone through. We all have choices and I want to listen to what nature is calling me to do.
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Lapisrose, I´m sure this quote from Squarepeg resonates with you! I too am a former vegetarian of 27years! who dabbled in veganism & macrobiotics like many others here thinking it best for my health. Well..I became very lethargic and  very overweight, bloated and with digestion problems, finding it almost impossible to drop weight no matter how little I ate...at one point I was almost anorexic just consuming 600 cals a day! Crazy!!!

I did lose weight eventually when I increased my exercise and included some fish...it´s only in recent times I´ve also included turkey, lamb and occasional beef...I think it´s best to take it slowly..replacing tofu with turkey gradually.I´m still not comfortable handling raw meat, so my DH does all that! He´s blood group A and has reversed his way of eating as he cannot digest red meat at all...

Like others have found digesting beef and lamb are a doddle for me   compared to the pain and discomfort when I ate wholewheat bread pasta and pulses...though I do miss tofu still!!!

You have certainly come to the right place


That is what was happening to me even though I was not eating wheat or anything. I was eating mostly veggies and nuts, some fish and little chicken. However, I was gaining weight without the meat. My calories must have been too low.

Thank God I am moving forward.
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I'm not Type O, nor have I ever attempted to do vegetarian, but I did eat the wrong foods for my type for many years until I was in really bad shape, physically.  I was going to Dr.'s and getting worse.  I finally was introduced to ER4YT, read the book, changed diet, felt better, wondered whether diet or a Dr.'s treatment was responsible - so stopped the diet for a bit.  Finally, after I had gotten some worse again, was reminded of the diet and returned to it.  Now I am healing (and apparently finishing the cranial growth that didn't complete - probably due to an old injury that never healed fully.)

I really hope for your sake that you give the diet a good effort to see that it is what you need to be healthy.


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Come to think of it, I cannot remember all of my reasons for eliminating meat from my diet. I was a type O, 21 year old, living a student life. I am sure economics were involved. And  love of starch and dairy.  Also, Diet for a Small Planet.  Thank you, Frances Moore Lappe, who pointed out that it takes 16 pounds of grass to produce 1 pound of beef protein.--At least, that's how I remember it. It seemed to be good for the earth to stop eating beef. I hated poultry and lamb anyway, so why not skip meat altogether?!

And I still like crispy fried tofu.  




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What I've found interesting after being on this Forum is how vegetarianism/veganism holds such a strong appeal to Type O folks - in particular. It makes me curoius as to why...

It seems that the people who do well with vegetarianism often find themselves there quite by accident, that's how it's been with me as well as several Type A's that I know. But with you O's, it's never an accident - you have made a conscious decision to go in that direction.

Any input? What made you swear off meat?



Vegetarianism often means loads of wheat ( or starchitarian)-- the O brain loves the way they feel when they eat wheat-- addiction is very powerful.


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I was a vegetarian for a few years in college, culminating with a few months of being a vegan.  That was the first time I realized that food affects my health- being dairy free really cleared up my chronic nasal congestion, even though I was still eating tons of wheat, corn, and potatoes.

After a few months of this way of eating, I felt weak and drained and it was clear to me that veganism wasn't healthy for me.  Veganism had always been my idea of the "ideal vegetarian diet", but it had taken me a while to take the plunge. So, doing poorly on the vegan diet made me question the validity of my beliefs.

I'd bought several books on Judaism and Vegetarianism when I first became a vegetarian, and I re-read them after a few months on the vegan diet. I'd become more religious while in college, and I'd changed a lot in a few years. As I re-read those books,  I realized that the logic no longer resonated with me.

In a nutshell, it felt like being vegetarian was saying that I was "holier than G-d." He permitted all humans to eat meat after the Flood. Clearly, He also intended Jews to eat meat, or there wouldn't have been any need for the numerous dietary laws regarding meat consumption. It started to seem to me that being vegetarian was showing a lack of Faith- who am I to say that eating meat is immoral when G-d Himself says otherwise?

So I introduced small amounts of meat into my diet, but retained my vegetarian ideals. I figured that all the wonderful, world-saving things that vegetarianism is supposed to accomplish, could be accomplished if many people reduced their meat consumption rather than a smaller number eschewing meat altogether. It completely boggled my mind that I was healthier eating meat and not eating dairy than I was doing the inverse!

For a number of years, I ate poultry on Shabbos (the Jewish Sabbath) but at no other times. I did eat reasonable amounts of fish and eggs during the week. Then I added red meat on the holidays. I felt myself to be a vegetarian at heart, but who ate token amounts of meat as a show of faith in a G-d who permitted its consumption. My health slowly declined over time, but I didn't connect it to my diet.

It wasn't for another decade that I discovered "traditional foods" and started eating more meat, more often. This was shortly after I'd been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia. I ate lots of bone broths and liver, plus red meat and poultry during the week rather than just on Shabbos. I had more energy. From there I tried low-carb to lose weight- which worked for a while, then I plateaued again. After low-carbing for a while, I decided to try a gluten-free diet. I'd heard of it earlier, but it was too hard when I felt awful and had no energy for dietary changes. But it was easier once grains had become a condiment, rather than  a staple.

Removing gluten was another huge jump in my health, but it wasn't everything. I knew to avoid dairy (even though I wasn't always consistent with that) and was now avoiding gluten, but I still wasn't perfectly healthy. I now knew enough that changing my diet would help,  but my current diet wasn't enough. I was considering cutting out corn next, but that's around the time I heard about BTD. I took a look at the Type O list and it made a lot of intuitive sense. So, instead of just cutting out corn, I started on the BTD.

I've had some growth since then- trying out the nonnie diet, a brief stint on the Gatherer diet, and then I got a SWAMI. Another year later, I got my secretor status verified and my SWAMI was modified to reflect that. With almost every dietary change, I felt healthier and stronger. At this point, I believe that my SWAMI has found every "dietary trigger" for Fibromyalgia. When I stray from the plan, symptoms return.  But even staying on the diet perfectly doesn't give me perfect health. I still have 25 pounds to lose, and I still have fibromyalgia. It flares up sometimes, and I can't always figure out why.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah (in Israel for the school year), 17yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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