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D.L.
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My latest blood test showed that I have borderline too much iron. Besides giving blood, is there a natural way to reduce iron before it becomes an overload? I was always anemic, so this comes as a surprise to me. I hardly eat any meat at all. I do eat a lot of nuts. I have been snacking on some cereal lately. I went back and read the labels, which says fortified with iron. So I'm quitting that and cutting back even farther on my meat and not eating nuts for a while. My vitamins do not contain iron. But I hardly eat anything anyway, because of my many food allergies and sensitivities and Swami. So, is there a supplement that helps reduce iron? Or some food? (Unfortunately my total cholesterol and triglycerides are still too high but better than they were.)
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Donate blood. That's the only way that I heard of .  
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If you were previously anemic, and you only have one test showing high iron levels-I would wait for another test to confirm, before trying very hard to bring iron levels down.

Might be an error in testing, could be what you ate prior to testing, ...

If you want a supplement to reduce Iron levels, up the amount of calcium you take.

If you are eating a lot of eggs, you could reduce those.

Drink tea at the same time as you eat iron rich foods.


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My latest blood test showed that I have borderline too much iron. Besides giving blood, is there a natural way to reduce iron before it becomes an overload? I was always anemic, so this comes as a surprise to me.

This sounds like good news to me...  Your body seems to be responding to the diet change for the better.  If you are still eating any avoid meats, I would limit them further, but still eat beneficial meats and other protein sources.  You need to make sure you get enough to eat.  

Is it possible that your body is allowing iron to be high for a little while to have enough to build reserves after being short for so long...
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(Unfortunately my total cholesterol and triglycerides are still too high but better than they were.)

This is good news as well.  All of the healing you need to do may not happen overnight.  I would probably stick with what is working and allow it to work.  Your body is moving in a positive direction, so while some additional change may be helpful, it may also be harmful if you cut back too much...  Allow the body time to heal.


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wouldn't some zinc be useful and if there is a link to iron and ALZ disease then any any alz protocol would probably be a smart idea.

also look at circumin


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Do you soak, sprout and use starters on your gains and the like - perhaps you aren't getting enough phytic acid


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looking at it from another, reverse angle Testosterone appears to be involved in the maintenance of normal hemoglobin levels, and ADT can produce significant declines in these levels and produce anaemia with concomitant fatigue, shortness of breath and cardiovascular problems. While these problems resolve upon termination of ADT.


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You've been anemic, and now your latest blood test shows that you're in the high end of normal. Is that correct?

You've identified a source of "too much iron" (the fortified cereal) and you're removing it from your diet.

I think you should make no other changes, and see if cutting out the cereal is enough all by itself. You're still at risk of your iron getting too low if you try too hard to reduce it.


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DL, I learned this can be common for people with a North European ancestery.  I believe green tea is supposed to help, seemed to help me.
I would think cutting back on red meat best bet.  
And these labs do go up and down so I wouldn't make major adjustments.
Lin


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Tips for Getting Rid of Excess Iron
If your iron levels turn out to be high, what can you do?

Some people advise using iron chelators like phytic acid or IP6, but I don't think that is a wise approach, as donating your blood is a far safer, more effective and inexpensive approach for this problem. If, for some reason, a blood donor center is unable to accept your blood for donation you can obtain a prescription for therapeutic phlebotomy. At the same time, you will want to be sure to avoid consuming excess iron in the form of supplements, in your drinking water (well water), from iron cookware, or in fortified processed foods.

Additionally:

•Certain phenolic-rich herbs and spices, such as green tea and rosemary,5 can reduce iron absorption6
•Curcumin actually acts as an iron chelator, and in mice studies, diets supplemented with this spice extract exhibited a decline in levels of ferritin in the liver7
•Astaxanthin, which has been researched to have over 100 potential health benefits, has been shown to reduce iron-induced oxidative damage8
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C-sharp - I am highly allergic to eggs, but I ate one fried egg this morning, the first in many months, as a test. Boy, do I regret it. My pulse sped up to 115 and I felt weird for several hours. I can't drink tea of any kind because of the caffeine (my heart)and my mouth breaks out in canker sores even with caffeine-free tea. I only take a 350 mg calcium capsule a day (allergic to dairy) so I will try upping that. I fasted 15 hours before the blood test.
ABJoe - I am sick and tired of eating chicken and I hate fish. I have been eating some pulled pork lately (I know, an avoid)but no longer. I bought some lamb last week. It was half fat and the grease made me feel sick, even though I squished it out with paper towels. Tasted good, though, but all that fat isn't good for my cholesterol and grease has always made me sick since a child. When I was in the hospital three years ago with my heart, they practically drained me dry of blood for testing. Since then my iron count has been good with every blood test reported. Since I was anemic all my life previously, I was really happy with all my blood count numbers (except cholesterol and triglycerides) until this test. And yes, I know I am gradually healing in many areas. It has taken three years of intense work and study to undo a lifetime of unhealthy eating.
Mayflowers - I have never been able to give blood because of anemia. Now I really don't want to if I can help it. I take blood tests every three months, which seems enough blood-letting for me to endure. That hospital blood-draining experience should last me for a while.  
Policychecker - I'm really not supposed to have grains because of my allergies to gluten and gliaden. I have cheated from time to time and paid the price. I'll go back on my no-iron multi-vitamin. It has some zinc. If I take just zinc lozenges, I get nauseated and have to lie down for 30 minutes. Always been that way.
Ruthie - I wasn't supposed to eat the cereal anyway, but it was so tempting that I ate a few handfuls for several days as a snack and just ignored the sinus drainage, ear ache, and headaches. (My bad) My husband loves cereal and has it around all the time. He can eat anything. Anyway, I'm giving up the cereal.
Eating is no fun!!!! By the time I can't eat the things I have bad reactions to, the things my IgG blood test says to avoid, and the things Swami says avoid, the things that are high in cholesterol or fat, and the things that cause my blood sugar to go up, that doesn't leave anything tasty --- just vegetables and a little of certain kinds of fruit, and chicken and fish (hate fish). I do make an almond milk-berry smoothy occasionally. I'm trying to learn how to do vegetables, but so many recipes have avoids for me. I don't digest beans nor rice well, but I'm taking some digestive enzymes and pro-biotics now and something to help my leaky gut. Maybe this one blood test isn't accurate for the iron. I'll take a complete female panel blood test in three months. My doctor is putting me on niacin starting tomorrow and upping my D3.
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Lin - I didn't know that about Northern European ancestry, but until recently I was anemic. Perhaps the lab made a mistake? I haven't eaten any beef for several weeks. I don't like the taste or smell of it anymore.
Mayflowers - I don't think there is any iron in any of my supplements and I don't cook in iron pans. I drink only bottled reverse-osmosis water. I took turmeric (curcumin) and astaxanthin for a couple of months for overall health, then stopped. I think I will go back on them. Sounds like a good idea.
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Vitamin C HELPS the uptake of iron.
I am not a fan of not eating Vit C, but you could try it short term if you were really worried about your iron level  
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DL, Yes there are a few genes, I carry one for hemochromatosis.  The doctor told me many doctors don't test for this, but it is more common in Northern Europeans.
Assume you don't eat other red meat also?
I wonder if you are like me and kind of half teacher and half explorer depending on what you tick.  I find I do well with Turkey, some chicken, but best on fish and vegetarian style diet.  It's the meat for of iron that I think I was told to be careful with.

I also love tumeric and had forgotten that also helps with chelating the iron out.
I think I read that you shouldn't take vitamin C after you eat as it helps you absorb iron...might need to check that fact.  take vitamin C between meals.

Double check in Vitamins if it is a multi it should say "iron free" as they normally all add iron.  


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Lin - My multi says iron-free. I'm going to start on the turmeric tomorrow. The only meat I've eaten lately, except for some pulled pork (an avoid) and that greasy lamb I tried, is chicken. I eat meat less than once a day. I don't take my vitamin C (500 mg) with meals. I'm going to check my 23 and me synopsis for hemochromatosis and see if it indicates anything. My Swami says I am between 46% and 48% Explorer, depending on if I check central, western, or northern Europe. So perhaps the other percentage is quite a bit teacher. Now if I could only find some fish I like that doesn't give me problems.  
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Some of the green leafy veg are high in iron also. It is a challenge balancing these minerals.


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we use  in treatments  for Mb. Wilson Zink as an antagonist and some enzymatic supps- so far if I understand it well that must be ok as well for iron to come along with zink.....but chelation therapy can be very helpful here as well


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Lin - My multi says iron-free. I'm going to start on the turmeric tomorrow. The only meat I've eaten lately, except for some pulled pork (an avoid) and that greasy lamb I tried


I buy boneless lamb stew meat that is almost without any fat on it, but what it does have, I cut off with my kitchen shears. If what I cut off has much meat on it, I boil it in a little water, and the fat comes right out. I then add the lean lamb to my stew. Or you could boil all of it, and then make stew! I do not like fat either!


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[quote=17333]Lin -  I drink only bottled reverse-osmosis water./quote]

We have been drinking reverse osmosis water for many years, (we have our own filter) and previous to that, it was distilled water (we had a water distiller). But, we were aware that the minerals had to be replenished from both methods. If not, the minerals in the body are leached out by the reverse osmosis water. I use R.O. water for making green tea and some cooking. We put 30 drops of liquid ionic minerals and trace elements into a 1 gallon jug as our drinking water.

I'm not addressing the iron problem here, but some of your health problems may be that you are deficient in minerals. I also take Dr. D's Multi Minerals. You may want to do some research about mineral deficiencies, it can wreak havoc in the body.  

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Spring - There is only one store around here that carries lamb and it is ground up like hamburger, fat and all. That was the first time I had ever eaten any.
Diane - I knew that about distilled water, although some alternative doctors recommend it, but not about reverse osmosis water. I thought it was just very pure water. Very worth knowing. I do take a lot of supplements, though not always my multi-vitamin. I wonder if my multi replaces enough minerals, when I remember to take it.
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Even when ground up like hamburger, you can still cook it in a way that lets the  fat drain off.


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Spring,  good lamb cooking tips.

Dianne, I do similar to you with some RO water. You are doing a better job than me though.  I'm also working on the minerals.

DL, I am usually about 42% explorer.  Or 45% Teacher didn't on health history ticks.

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