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Just sharing another 'theory' for when nothing else works...
  

I find the idea of oil interesting.  I never get enough and have no clue on how
to increase my intake,

This 'diet' offers the idea that a spoon of tasteless oil one hour away from
food twice or three times a day will satisfy more then the need for oil. It will
make eating my already smaller portions more tolerable by not asking for more
soon after.

Like always in my trials and tribulations, my ideal is not to go off any food
that is not on my Beneficial or better list, with a few compliant neutrals.

I have been really bad recently .. the last 5 month, eating bread near every
day, and my CHOLESTEROL went from 150 to 256 in the first two month.  I will
test today again to see how much more damage I did.

I will give this added oil a try.

I scrolled down to where people wrote about their experimenting and liked what
Bob wrote in 2009.

email me if you think to participate in a trial.

Bobs letter of 2009.
      BobK says:
June 25, 2009 at 10:14 pm
I was introduced to this “diet” / wight control method around Christmas 2005 by my older son (he was 25 at the time). He had run across Dr. Robert’s research, tried it, it worked and he explained to me.

I tried it …went about a week or so with no noticeable effect. Well into week two, I was having one of my favorites lunches (club sandwich and fries) when I found I could NOT even think starting into the second half of the sandwich!

That was the start of my appetite crash; at 6′ 225 lbs, I was a bit on the pudgy side but over the next four to five months I lost about 30 pounds. At 195 my wife said “too skinny”. I dropped from 36″ jeans to 34′s.

I tried to convince my younger son (21 at the time) that this method was amazing & had ended my struggle to easily control my weight. He was very skeptical (despite being a Cal student). He gave it a try and a couple weeks later he called me. He told me that it did indeed work but he quit because it was cutting into his “recreational” eating.

I’ve used it on and off since early 2006…..it works great for me. I don’t dose on a daily basis. Only when I want to drop weight. When on vacation, I eat whatever I please knowing that when I return home I can easily lose the weight. Starting at 225lbs, I’ve been as low as 195 and Thanksgving 2008 to Christmas I edged up to 212 but after the holidays I “dosed up” and got back down to 205.

My setpoint seems pretty stable and I’m super happy with the method.

I’ve used fructose, sucrose, olive oil, safflower oil. With the oils, I hold my nose & glup it. I follow with a warm water chaser.

I’ve read this entire set of responses & in the beginning I got the feeling that the CalorieLab folks either were biased against, didn’t understand or hadn’t tried the method. I’m still not sure of their position or understanding of the method.

Whatever their deal is…I really don’t care, the method works great for me.

To the skeptics that think sugar is evil or bad….use oil. Even so, the sugar dosing he suggests is no worse than a couple cans of sugar soda.

Being an engineer and somewhat of a self experimenter, I used a glucose montior to check my blood sugar rise for the 2T suagr dose vs a typical “bad for you lunch”.

The “bad lunch” was a hot dog on a white bun, pepsi and potato chips. This meal took me from 95 to 152 in about 45 minutes and back to 105 in another 2 hours. The sugar dose ramped up to 132 and back down in about 1.5 hours.

I’m happy , it works but I gotta get back on it since I’ve been eating my way back to 210. My wife is a great cook and the food is just TOO tasty.

If the method doesnt work for you …keep with it, at least three weeks.

Make sure you avoid ANY flavors within an hour (before & after) the dosing. I dose at 10AM & 2PM and if I really want to crash the appetite, 8PM

cheers
Bob


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I'm not that much convinced in always going for any tricky things to persuade our body to go for ..... something else then he/she is trained on

I observed best and quickest results while taking MAP, a very special and human's body adapted aminoacid containing only the 8 essential aminos we really need but knitted together so that our bodies profit mostly without any sideefects of nitric oxide etc coz it only produces about 1 % insted of about 80% !!!

Often we loose tissue and muscle that we normally need but the fats ariung belly-backside etc are still to be seen- this can't be healthy and yup fatty acids are also important as mentioned in lr4yt but also here Peter is right, the A's & AB's do really have sometimes a hard time to come along with too much of fats....equal of what kind !!!

I once gave a try to such an experiment but it didn't worked for me at all...I only burped the whole day and felt terrible... so far after not even a week I went
off....


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Here is a sugar that is good for us.  I get it in Trehalose complex.


Healing Tip: Ribose Boosts Energy and Cardiovascular Health
by Dr. Julian Whitaker

Filed Under: General Health, Heart Health

Last Reviewed 09/14/2012



Are you sick and tired of feeling sick and tired? If so, ribose may be just what you need. This simple, five-carbon sugar is an integral component in the production of ATP (adenosine triphosphate). ATP is the fuel that drives cellular energy, and if your ribose stores are low, you’re going to feel it.

In one small study, healthy adults ages 50–65 who had experienced fatigue for at least a month took 3 g of ribose twice a day. After two weeks on this regimen, participants reported feeling less fatigued, and on repeat testing they had increased aerobic capacity, enhanced oxygen uptake, and improved exercise performance.

We use ribose at the clinic as a therapy for patients with heart failure and other cardiovascular diseases. However, as this study indicates, it also improves energy in healthy people. I typically recommend a little higher dose—5 g (one heaping teaspoonful) mixed in water, coffee, or tea two or three times a day. Ribose is safe and well tolerated.





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Disclaimer: We are not recommending this diet. On the face if it, if you had to cook up the ultimate stereotype of a wacky fad diet for use in a comedic novel or film, the Shangri-La Diet would fill the bill. While we’re not necessarily saying it won’t work, the one-man lab rat nature of its development is far from proof of its effectiveness. And it suffers from the key flaw of most fad diets, in requiring a lifetime of somewhat unnatural behavior (e.g., calorie restriction) that, even if you yourself can maintain, will eventually drive the people around you crazy. On the other hand, if you are on the verge of deciding to undergo bariatric surgery, it might be worth a try before permanently modifying your body.


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Goldie, maybe you hunger is because you are definicient in one of the good fats?? i know myself, that i do not liek fish so i do not eat it often even though i am supposed to have it at least 4 times per week. i started taking an omega 3,6,9 supplement that comes in a liquid form and i find that i am not as hungry as i used to be. it is called Udi's.

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sugar cravings often might be a lack of aminos !!!


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Quoted from Amazone I.
sugar cravings often might be a lack of aminos !!!


Sugar cravings are caused by snacking and by an accumulation of toxic polyunsaturated fats in the cells.  They block glucose from entering the cells via the Randle Cycle and are the likely cause of diabetes.

I've read about SLD lately on other forums.  People seem to do well with it.  If you decide to do it, use  refined coconut oil, not ELOO.

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Ok so this is what has happened since yesterday:  I did not really understand the need for TASTELESS nourishment that never-the-less provides energy... Now I think I understand the reasons behind it. = NOTHING to look forward to, while  still satisfying the need for 'something'.  

Interesting...

I took one spoon of extra light olive oil morning at 11 and afternoon 3.30

I ate regular food the rest of time.

I will see how this goes.  Doing the oil in place of a TASTY snack to satisfy 'hunger' might buy me time before needing to eat.

(I am not trying this with 'sugar' as that might trigger me or my diabetes.)
I eat my sweets in dark 87 % chocolate.

  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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Day 2.

I took 2 spoons olive oil for each snack time (one hour away from food on either side...I ate Swami Beneficical and Diamond compliant the rest of the day.

I hope it will help with bathroom issues.

I expect no differences for some weeks from now, but possibly a better handle on feeling 'hungry'.  It is a feeling that is not tolerable.  I am looking forward to this tasteless snacking, as it seems NOT ask for more.  Tasty items always ask for more. It is easy to put 2 spoons in a small bottle when I go out during snack times.

A good read about benefits of oil and look at the warning also..

http://www.olioeolivestore.com/properties-benefits.html


For Day three, today I am adding Trehalose with D-Ribose as a watered down snack ... available if I need another pick me up...

On expanded view on Ribose..(a sugar good for us.

http://www.drwhitaker.com/ribose-boosts-energy-and-cardiovascular-health?

I am currently not restricting food habits nor amounts.




  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!

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Day 3, I had a leftover from dinner breakfast / by 11 one spoon of oil.  and was surprised that it was 12.00 and i was not hungry as I normally am at 11.30 every day.

I ate a egg cheese and onions omelet for lunch and then at  pm3 I had the second spoon of oil.  It was 5.30 before I even thought about anything to eat.  I made dinner for 6:30 and did not have to eat more then a small dinner.


It is 8 pm and I am satisfied.   Very peaceful hunger wise.


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I reckon for some of us anyway, extra fat is really important... Having lost over 20lbs since early Dec, I hadn't lost any more for a wee while now, even though I avoided any fat for ages?!

I have now been adding butter to my meat in the last few days & have been losing weight each day (nearly a lb on one day) And that is also despite eating a small amount of chocolate in the evenings Exercise, type of & amounts of foods have stayed pretty well the same...

The only other thing which has also lessened, has been my exposure to a cologne & shaving cream that a guy we had staying with us was using In desperation (as I had already told him the scent hung in the air & affected me for ages after he used it) I taped a note to his bathroom door late one night, begging him to use it only when he was showering at college So finally, no more toxic smell coming through the plumbing to our bathroom, up the stair well & lingering outside his area of the house... Whether that has helped the weight loss as well, I'm not sure?!
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Possum.. Good luck.  and maybe try the oil as well.


Day 4.. it is AM and I stepped on the scale and did not believe what I saw even though my belly showed it also. I had to get my glasses to see it and confrim it. I had been bad eating for a few month, mostly ONLY with bread added, and I had gained 21 pounds. Well I knew that, a lot of the weight was water accumulation to which I am prone.  I have taken 2 40 mg lasix waterpills after my airplainride, one each day Friday and Saturday.

MY results are a 9 pound drop in water weight.   I MEAN if that does not confirm Dr D in his no grain advise, then nothing does.  

As you know I am on the Swami wagon again.  I eat regular meals, albeit half of a decade ago, and I am NOW taking the spoon of olive oil twice a day for the last three days.  

I am once more astounded that I had no need for inbetween foods besides the 3 meals for the day.  The tastelessness of the oil and hot water chaser, is not stimulating on endless walking to the fridge to find 'something' to eat.  NICE!  Look at the results.  AND I FEEL HAPPY.


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Day 5 .. Yesterday I was able to take oil with me and take it at 11.30 am and then have a can of tunafishsalad and a banana for lunch.  Later during a theater break I ate a sweet, I had to spit it out it felt sooooo sweet.  By 4 I took the oil and then dinner at night.  After watching some TV i might have wished to look around the fridge, instead i took another spoon of oil, and then slept like a baby until 7 am  Nice.. no cravings ...

Now for today if i could replace 2 eggs for breakfast with some other food, then I would feel really successful.  I will try steamed zucchini  and see how that goes.


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Goldie. I am happy to hear your progress with the hunger pangs. I can relate. i am always hungry no matter how much protein i get. I ran out of the oil i was taking, but maybe i'll sub in another oil (flax, maybe) and see if it helps me. good luck!
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Amyflood.

Please read the link in the top or go online and see THAT flavorless oil (or sugar) is the key.  I have come to understand the need not to stimulate my BRAIN centers by having the tasteless snack.. It's like getting on infusion of soothing calories and a sort of balming the insides of my acid-like stomach without triggering wanting more tasty foods.  

It is remarkable how calm the mind brain stomach connection is doing this with this oil.  I can wait til eleven after breakfast and I can push out the need for lunch by 11.30... that for me is interesting. I can also wait the extra hour in the later afternoon to make dinner at 6.30 instead of wanting dinner at 6.  These may not be big progress, but for me when 'hunger gnawed at me, then life was a struggle, unpleasant, making life not worth the struggle...

I like the portions I now consume, and think I am closer to the suggestions of small portions in Swami.-- I might look to list my food intake a small in swami, considering my age, and see if Swami then would cut my food down.  (not that I ever followed it as I was tooo hungry). Age might be a factor in the way we look at that question in Swami.  Or, diabetics in later ages might consider the same for their needs.......

Good luck on what you will try, just take the oil with hot water chaser, one hour away from food on either side.  For now I am eating normal foods for the three meals and one fruit as a treat.  




By now it is4pm / many hours later.  I had breakfast  of steamed zucchini, then oil at 11, then lunch by 12, and by 2 on icecream.. I NEARLY gaged on it..

My body and better MY MIND?BRAIN stomach had NO NEED for it.. IT DID NOT EVEN TASTE GOOD!!!!

This oil business goes back to Adelle Davis during the last century.. She knew what she was talking about!!!! When the brain has what it needs in terms of fats.. it settles down to quiet.. WOW

        



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Goldie - it may be that the gnawing pains you associated as being hunger were not hunger pains at all? I remember whenever my Mother would have a cup of tea or an apple (each by themselves for just two examples) she said she would get a gnawing feeling in her insides that she interpreted as needing to eat more?! Maybe in her system those substances triggered a particular acidic response with the stomach lining?!
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Hi Possum,

when I referred to acid stomach I did not say over acidic.. just the normal acidic stomach for on O..and still it is what I suggest my stomach is doing when making me hungry..

I am astounded that I am NOT hungry.. I just hope this will last a long time along with BTD GENO Swami Super Diamond and Beneficials.  

I even wonder if I wish to have dinner tonight.... unheard of..

I am willing to try this long term..  and if I lose ONE pound a month.. I can do it and drop alll the weight I need to drop over 3- 4 years time.. Just to consider this as on idea is all tooooooooooo surprizing, I never had that KIND of patients.  WOW..


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Glad it is working for you Btw not all O's have extremely strong stomach acid... Makes sense that anyone with recessive A genes in their background would have less
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I realize you guys are O's,
but thought I'd add for your consideration that I and Henriette, both B secretors, have over the years been enjoying full-fat dairy, rather than low-fat dairy, and have found that it improves satiety and helps with weight-loss/-stabilization.

So possum's use of butter, if that's okay for y'all, might be worth a try where the flavor/use is useful in the dish you're cooking (not recommending you eat a Tablespoon of it!)  


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Quoted from san j
So possum's use of butter, if that's okay for y'all, might be worth a try where the flavor/use is useful in the dish you're cooking (not recommending you eat a Tablespoon of it!)  
Cheers san j (although there have been times I have been know to do the above )
There are definitely times/days when I need that extra fat & could eat it on a spoon/knife But then next day I am almost repulsed by the thought of it so must be a connection there
Exact same thing happens with my appetite/need for red meat, so makes sense

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Possum, you hit the nail on the head! LACK of stomach acid was causing hunger and nausea for me. After starting HCL I am a much happier person. I would feel nausiated between meals and my stomach was always growling. With HCL, the growling is gone and the nausea almost gone. I used to feel it about 45 min after eating and now it's closer to three hours and not nearly as intense. Food used to occupy my every thought, waiting until I could eat again. MOST people actually have low acid. I think mine got worse from too much seltzer/club soda. I was constantly neutralizing it. Bathroom habbits definately show I'm breaking things down much better.

Also, I'm same as you, sometimes I just have to gorge on fat! And I do eat it on a spoon!(usually my flavored mayo) Oh so satisfying!


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Cool; thanks Mother!! I think people cling onto the idea that O's have strong stomach acid, when they don't always...

There's a test you can do involving bicarbonate of soda & counting the seconds till you burp to see if you do have or not... Very useful as it helps you eat accordingly

As I said, those hunger pangs can be different to what we think & it just exacerbates the problem if we keep eating when it isn't real hunger
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Sure enough, I did the test at 7 am, burped after lunch at 1:30! , what do you think....
Also, this last year,vegetables and  fish( and small amounts at that) have been my best friend, Can you say deminishing stomach acid??


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Ohmygosh that is diminishing...?! Could have even been lunch that made you burp, not the bicarb?!
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