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D.L.
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I logged on  to my Swami today for the first time since they were working on the changes. Wow! I wouldn't have recognized it as mine from before. A lot of foods were in different places now. It's like an entire new Swami for me. Is it because of the updates or because I changed from central Europe to western Europe? That's the only thing I changed. I looked at some maps and did some research, which indicated that western Europe was my best choice. Surely that wouldn't have changed so many foods. Anyone else have drastic changes since they updated?

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I recently changed my entry data from central Europe to northern Europe and there was a notable difference in the swami food lists. Also, swami changed me from Explorer to Hunter.
I think I truly have more recent central European ancestry, but I need to check my Family Tree DNA.




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Be sure all of the boxes you checked for illness etc are still checked.  Mine became unchecked which changed many foods.  By putting the checks back for menopause, cholesterol etc. it looked closer to what it used to be.  


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Quoted from D.L.
I logged on  to my Swami today for the first time since they were working on the changes. Wow! I wouldn't have recognized it as mine from before. A lot of foods were in different places now. It's like an entire new Swami for me. Is it because of the updates


There has been no significant changes to the SWAMI Xpress software for several years. The discussed updates have not been released to the public.

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or because I changed from central Europe to western Europe?


That results in changes for some people and almost no change for others.


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That's the only thing I changed.


You may want to check whether that is really the case.

Often users are unfamiliar with how html forms work.  They think they are not changing anything on the form. But while they move the mouse around to scroll the form they are changing values all over the place.

Also it is best not collapse sections of the data entry form. Sometimes when users choose to collapse or hide sections of the web form all of the data in the collapsed section of the form is erased.

Open all the sections of the form to be sure there is not any data missing.




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also uncheck your genotype and have swami compute your genotype everytime you wish to run it after doing some updating to the check boxes


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I went back into Swami. Strangely enough, a lot of the boxes that I had checked originally were unchecked this time, even though this afternoon they were checked. So I re-checked them as the first time I went into Swami. This time I let Swami compute the best choice for both my genotype and harmonic food clusters. The genotype stayed the same, but it picked cell detox. I think maybe originally I had picked glycation removal, but I'm not sure. Anyway, when Swami did the best computing, it listed my foods like they were this afternoon, so very different than originally. Perhaps it was the combination of ancestry location change and letting Swami pick the best that changed nearly everything. Seems kind of strange. Now I don't have any superfoods in the meat category and only 3 in the neutral, only ostrich, squab, and turkey as poultry superfoods, and 5 things I can't get around here as neutral. Chicken used to be a superfood and now is a black dot. And so on down the list. I wonder if I have checked something wrong. I'm confused, now.    
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Quoted from D.L.
I went back into Swami. Strangely enough, a lot of the boxes that I had checked originally were unchecked this time, even though this afternoon they were checked.


This tends to happen when people collapse sections of the data intake form.



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Perhaps it was the combination of ancestry location change and letting Swami pick the best that changed nearly everything.    



If you want to know what affect ancestry has. Set it back to Central Europe and rerun and see how this differs from what you get with Western Europe checked.


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Quoted from D.L.
I went back into Swami. Strangely enough, a lot of the boxes that I had checked originally were unchecked this time, even though this afternoon they were checked. So I re-checked them as the first time I went into Swami. This time I let Swami compute the best choice for both my genotype and harmonic food clusters. The genotype stayed the same, but it picked cell detox. I think maybe originally I had picked glycation removal, but I'm not sure. Anyway, when Swami did the best computing, it listed my foods like they were this afternoon, so very different than originally. Perhaps it was the combination of ancestry location change and letting Swami pick the best that changed nearly everything. Seems kind of strange. Now I don't have any superfoods in the meat category and only 3 in the neutral, only ostrich, squab, and turkey as poultry superfoods, and 5 things I can't get around here as neutral. Chicken used to be a superfood and now is a black dot. And so on down the list. I wonder if I have checked something wrong. I'm confused, now.    

I don't know all the health issues you may be trying to deal with, but maybe if you unchecked a few of them things would settle down a bit. Those are some really drastic changes you have mentioned!! We don't have to heal everything at once! I'm an Explorer, too, and chicken is a neutral for me. I have goat, lamb, mutton and rabbit as superfoods in meats. I hope you soon get this more workable for you.


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But I didn't change anything yesterday afternoon EXCEPT change from central Europe to western Europe. Nothing. I didn't uncheck anything. Swami did that on it's own. I left everything the way it was except location. And Swami changed most of my foods from my old list to a new list. That's why I thought they had updated things already. Last night, after I rechecked the vacant boxes (that I had not unchecked myself), I decided to let Swami compute the "best choice" in harmonic food clusters. But that didn't change any foods from the new list. So I will go back and try central Europe again and compare. Since my dad's ancestry is from Sweden (north or west?) and Germany (central or west?) and my mom's is Spain (south or west?), Germany (central or west), Netherlands, England, and Ireland (west) it is hard to know whether to use central or west. Research indicated after WWII all these were considered western Europe. Confusing. But that's why I changed my Swami location from central to west. Well, here goes again. I'll see you later.  
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Quoted from D.L.
But I didn't change anything yesterday afternoon EXCEPT change from central Europe to western Europe.  

If I were you I would use Northern Europe.


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Quoted from D.L.
But I didn't change anything yesterday afternoon EXCEPT change from central Europe to western Europe.  

If I were you I would use Northern Europe.


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DL,
I don't have any meats in super or neutral...all are avoids with lamb, mutton and goat as black dots. I also have turkey, ostrich and squab as super poultry with chicken and cornish hens as neutral.

Ireland and British Isles...western Europe
Germany, Netherlands.....central Europe
Spain.....south/west Europe
Sweden...northern Europe

You do have a dilemma....you have a pretty even mix of central and west. Is the Swedish dominant or the German? You're "Cen-wes-nor."

and mine is a similar one...I'm "Wes-sou."
But....I always let swami pick my genotype...and if I choose Western Europe I am an Explorer/ if I choose Southern Europe I am a teacher.
Does swami always keep you as an explorer?


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There has been no significant changes to the SWAMI Xpress software for several years. The discussed updates have not been released to the public.


I wish this could be somehow made very clear.  Like maybe the thread title could be changed from "Swami changes" to "Swami report change."  I waste too much time reading these posts thinking that the software was updated!


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I wonder if there is anyone out there who actually knows how to determine the absolute regions of Europe and the countries in them. WHERE did Dr. D. come up with the regions he lists in SWAMI??? There are about as many opinions about this as there are websites. How are we supposed to know exactly what Dr. D. means with the designations he lists? Of course, there is no "help" option with this. It would be very helpful if he had a list of these countries in each region somewhere.

Besides my aggravation about that, I am determined that I am not going to involve SWAMI anymore in my diet other than the latest one I printed out a few weeks ago until this thing is upgraded. I just now, against my better judgement, accessed mine, and, AS USUAL, all of my entries are blank and I LEFT THEM WIDE OPEN AFTER I LOOKED AT SWAMI THE LAST TIME! Just so we are clear about that! Peanut butter dances from a diamond to a neutral, sweet potatoes from super food to neutral, etc., etc.......


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c-sharp - I didn't collapse any section that I know of. Swami did uncheck things, though, and I don't know why.
Yes, cajun, Swami always keeps me as an explorer, just different percentages. My dad is half Swedish and half German. The other countries are from Mom's side, most currently from England, I think.
I finally just discovered why things changed. Every time I went back into Swami, I had to re-check boxes because Swami had eliminated my checks and some other info. Well, I didn't answer one of the two questions yesterday about my haplotype. Today I did. I compared three runs of Swami and found out that the foods for me using central Europe are the same as western Europe as long as the haplotype is included. Western Europe without the haplotype included yesterday was WAY different. That was my new list yesterday. So, my original list when I first started Swami (including the haplotype) was correct after all, even though I had put central instead of western Europe. I guess the haplotype info was the kicker ... more accurate than central or western Europe.
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SquarePeg - Sorry about the confusion with the title of the post. I really thought Swami had been updated because my foods had changed so much and there had been talk of upgrading for a while. Now I know why. But what I don't know is why Swami keeps cleaning out my checks from boxes and eliminating some of my answers when I log off. But maybe there was a tidbit of info in this post that might help someone, despite the title of the post.
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DL,
Thank you for this thread. Knowing that your haplo group had any influence on your swami actually cements my inclination to have mine done!
Here is to the best health possible to all of us!


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DL,
Thank you for this thread. Knowing that your haplo group had any influence on your swami actually cements my inclination to have mine done!


Haplogroup data often leads to changes in food ratings.



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Quoted from D.L.
But what I don't know is why Swami keeps cleaning out my checks from boxes and eliminating some of my answers when I log off.


It is bug and hopefully will be fixed soon.

But it is very easy to avoid this problem.

Never
collapse a section.

If you leave the data intake form in SWAMI, with a section collapsed SWAMI will erase the entries you made in that section.

If you stay on the SWAMI data intake form you can collapse and expand sections without losing data. But if you leave the page you lose data in collapsed sections.

Never collapse a section and you do not lose data.



You collapse a section by unchecking the checkbox beside the purple arrow.

If you uncheck that box the next time you open SWAMI you will likely find that "Do you have a history of cancer or neoplasia" and "Do you have a history of bowel or digestive problems" are no longer checked even though you did not uncheck them.


Leave all the sections expanded and you should avoid getting your data erased.


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I don't know how many times we have to tell you, C_Sharp, that we ARE leaving the sections EXPANDED. EXPANDED.


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(grumble, grumble, grumble.) I do hate arguing with a wall.........


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great recommendation for all Kent, ty!

those who are having this problem

Kent already mentioned it might be a bug and will be fixed
Spring there always is help

contact them whenever you need help
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I have never collapsed a section. I always go down to the bottom and click save and print my report. Oh, well. Now I know to re-examine everything when I log on next time. Lesson learned.
cajun - I spent a long time today going over my 23 and me reports and finally printing them out. For the $99 they now charge with no added subscription fee, it is well worth finding out so much stuff about oneself. National Geographic does not tell you very much in comparison.
Spring - couldn't help but smile at your reply. I must be a little giddy after reading so many reports today.
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Like maybe the thread title could be changed from "Swami changes" to "Swami report change."

DONE!  Hope this helps...


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