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jtw
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So, for about 6 months I started eating more meat, much less bread and pastas and things like that.  And then I got my blood chemistry test results...  Most of it, as usaul, looks great, except two items that I need assistance with from people who are experienced on this board.

1. LDL 141.50 mg/dl - this should be under 130.  I suspect this is due to all the red meats
2. Total Cholestorol/HDL 5.20.  This should be under 5.
3. My serum Iron is at 171, it should be between 50-160.
4. Precent transferrin saturation of iron is also too high at 50%, when it should be at 20-45%.

Now, people say beef carries a lot of Iron, I have no idea if that is really true. The health report tells me to eat less snacks and processed foods, but I am not understanding how those foods could contribute to a higher iron count.

Any ideas on both of these things? High LDL and higher Iron...  


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being an O your cholesterol can be at a higher range, no worries
stick to your plan and make sure you stay off processed avoids


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So the extra beef I am eating, 2-3x a week is not causing a higher cholestorl or iron count?  I am quite concerned about both, high iron in men is correclated with heart disease.

I love to eat M&Ms and sometimes granola bars, but I am not sure that I would consider that processed food...  is it?  


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read ingredients in those......amaze yourself at all the junk these contain!


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I read through the ingredients, but really don't know what I should be looking for.  Neither of the products contain iron even in the nutrition facts.  And as for being processed, again not sure what to look for...


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The granola bar contain wheat and loads of sugar for a tart, preservatives, and that is only the stuff they have to put on the label. there is a lot of stuff in processed foods that don't have to be on the label that you wouldn't want to eat.

watch your fruit levels are not slightly too high, perhaps of the wrong fruit.

are you doing the blood type diet or geno type?

One of the other problems may be your definition of "eating less". keep an accurate food diary for 3 days to a week. list the food here and see what people think.

what id your weight and height?




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If green tea is okay for you that helps chelate extra iron out of the blood, at least that is what I understand.  Why not eat smaller amounts of beef if this is a concern, it is the obvious source of iron and perhaps your body needs less than other "O"s.  


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Take a look at the recommended portion sizes, just because you are an O it doesn't mean you should be eating a large amount of red meat. Your LDL is high, are you consuming healthy fats and exercising? Granola bars and m&m s are not a good choice for snacks, far too much sugar, not directly related to iron, but not allowing your body to function properly and not good for the LDL level. You don't list what else you eat in a day, that can influence a lot. What is your body composition like? I don't care for BMI as a measurement really, but it's a place to start, it would be better to get a professional to do either a skin fold test or a bio electric impedance test.


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Thanks all for your replies.  Please see below under your usernames for individual replies.

policychecker, Well the granola bars I am eating are quaker.  Suars are about 7 grams per bar, that seems like a lot. But the sugar doesn't have iron, so I am curious what is causing the iron increase, is it the beef?  I will cut down on the granola bars and find a different brand. I will still eat whatever I have left, but I will eat less.  

I do know they have a bit of wheat in them, but I suspect it is not much. I stopped just about all break, except for the occasionally pizza and occasionally pasta and noodles, and when I do eat them, I take Deflect.  Not sure if this is the right thing to do, but that is what I do.  My stomach problems have just about disappeared.  

Fruit? What fruit has iron in it?  I eat, apples, guava, melons, dragon fruit, lemons, peaches, pears, some local fruit I don't know what the English name is, but only during winter, papaya, these are the most common ones, and I believe these are all ok for O's.  I stopped eating Kiwis.  

I only eat 300grams of sliced beef when I eat dinner.  It's not much.

I am 76kg and 190cm tall. I am on the Master Cleanse at the moment, so my weight before I started was 81kg. I am hoping that I can hold this weight, I would love to get back to around 70kg. But I need to work on that alot.  I like to eat, so.. my weight is increasing as I get older.

I am doing the blood type diet.  Though I do not follow it 100%, mostly I just stopped eating wheat and bread products almost entirely. I still eat them occasionally, but I have been very careful.

Lin, I seldom drink green tea, but I know I can get good stuff here. I have a special green mix that also has some green tea in it, I can try that.

I probably need to eat the beef not more than twice a week, and eat fish and other meats more often.

Grey rabbit, I am not eating a large amount of red meat, as above, about 300 grams per meal, it is really not that much.  It's about 10oz, and if it has fat in it I cut it out before eating it, so I suspect I am only getting about 8-9oz.  I don't feel this is a lot. Anything less and I will be hungry. Sometimes I feel I need more but am trying to limit myself.

I am not sure what is a health fat.  Can you give me some examples?  I do not exercise much.  I walk to work about 20 minutes round trip, I try to do some abdominal stuff at home also to lose the gut.  I know I need more exercise, it's just a lifestyle and work issue, and I need to fix this, I know.

Granola bars are an in between meal and a snack.  M&Ms I just love em, I know I need to find a better choclate, but these are cheaper, and I won't necessiarly eat less because it's more expensive, so...  So, yeah I know I have some things to work on.

Ok this is what I eat normally.

Breakfast.  I drink one master cleanse everyday for breakfast.  I then eat four soup spoons of oatmeal. That's breakfast.  I do not eat lunch typically.  But I snack, thus the granola bars.   I have always snacked, but I have never been fat. My metabolim however is slowing down, so I need to start making some adjustments.  

Dinner that depends on the day.  Typically I will boil up 300grams of thinly sliced beef, or eat 300 grams of salmon also boiled.  I will eat a ceaser salid with limited dressing on it, and I eat the salmon  and beef with raw garlic.  That is dinner.
At night around 10pm or so I eat fruit. Quite a bit of it, and I need to reduce that. Then I sleep around 12-2am. This is a lifestyle problem, but most people here end up like this as work is late, until 10 usaully.  And when I get home I am hungry as I haven't eating anything since 5pm.

On the weekends, that depends.  Usuallly we eat out, and I know this is difficult to understand but in Taiwan, where I now live food is available everywhere.  And eating out here is the norm, and the food is decent quality and tastes great.  We usually we eat something like stir fried food, or thai food, or dumplings and veggies, occasionally we will go to eat hotpot if you know what that is.  

Above are my body composition.  I am thin and tall, but my waist is growing.  I am a 34 waist and a 36 inseem for jeans if that helps.  But my gut is getting noticable, and I want to get rid of it, thus the abdominal things.  The master cleanse I am doing now has reduced over 5kg as of today, but in order to keep this off, I am going to have to work at it.

I hope this sheds some light.


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You've made some healthy changes to your diet, but if you're still eating granola bars, pizza, and m&ms, you're not  being 100% compliant. M&Ms have milk in them, plus artificial colors and possibly corn syrup. The granola bars probably contain wheat and/or corn ingredients. Commercial pizza clearly contains wheat, as do dumplings.

What were your blood chemistry results before you made these changes? It could be that your cholesterol was even higher than it is now, and the healthy changes have enabled you to lower it, but not completely to a healthy range yet. Sometimes healing takes more time than we'd like. On the other hand, if your lab results were all healthy before you made these changes, then you need to take a close look at what kinds of changes you've made, and what kinds of junk foods are still in your diet.

Instead of the granola bars, try having some nuts and dried fruits for snacks.


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So the extra beef I am eating, 2-3x a week is not causing a higher cholestorl or iron count?  I am quite concerned about both, high iron in men is correclated with heart disease.

I love to eat M&Ms and sometimes granola bars, but I am not sure that I would consider that processed food...  is it?  


of course they are processed foods--


any food that  is changed is considered processed.





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Ruthie,

Thank you for your compliments. Yes I know that M&Ms have milk in them, and I have known for almost 10 years that milk is not good for most people for a diferent reason then what the book teaches.  I will never be 100% complient I think.  But I am trying to make some positive changes that will make me feel better and keep the weight off.  I know that M&Ms are not a great way to do that, I just like them. I should eat less of them and try to stop eating them altogether I know.  Yes, they have corn syrup in them, that is for sure. And I know that is not good, but at least it is not HFCS.  Or is it?  Dumplings contain wheat I know, I eat them once a week, and generally speaking that is the only wheat I get all week other tha the granola bars, so the granola bars have to go, I need to find a better snack. Any suggestions?  Don't tell me carrots please, although sometimes I do that, I crave sweet foods or certain junk foods, I do not think I can eliminate them completely, but I do want to severely restrict them.

Actaully my blood chemistry readings before the changes were about the same, but the LDL was lower.  And my iron was fine.  So something recent is causing this.  Beef is adding the iron and the LDL is from the bad fats I am eating apparently.  So...  I am not sure what to do, I can reduce the snacks but the meat I need, but it is causing high iron.  I check it every year so I know my results are good, never had many problems.  I do occasionally eat ice cream also, and this year I think I ate more, which I am sure was a severe contributing factor, but I have since reduced it and seldom eat it anymore.  so that is a positive change.

I won't eat nuts, I did before, but a lot of nuts are toxic and some of them need to sit in water for days to destory some of there toxicity, Almonds are a great example of this, sorry I cannot be more specific as I have forgotten the full reasons, it was explained to me many many years ago,.  so I seldom eat those.  Dried fruits contain a lot of sugar...  no?  


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of course they are processed foods--


any food that  is changed is considered processed.






So is dark chocolate also considered processed? Even at like 73% or above?


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  • Kill the wheat. Seriously.
  • Make sure you get enough exercise.


Most of the rest is the finer points. You have to get the first two right.
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You should never reach for sugary candy when you're hungry. It's OK for an occasional treat after a meal or snack, but if you only reach for the M&Ms when you're already full, you'll probably not eat as many.

Some people do fine skipping lunch,  but I'm concerned that you may be making less healthy choices because you're hungry in the middle of the day. I suggested nuts because they're stable at room temperature and contain good fats and protein- which keep your blood sugar stable. I know there are people who will only eat nuts after soaking and drying, but I've never bothered with that personally. You might want to re-evaluate your reasons for not eating nuts, or see if you can find them already soaked and dried (one health food store near me sells them this way for about twice the price of the non-soaked variety.) We can't always eat perfectly, and sometimes we need to evaluate all the "imperfect options." Is the potential toxicity of unsoaked almonds better or worse than not getting enough fat and protein in the middle of the day?

Dried fruits CAN be high in sugar, but not always. Many do have added sugar- some even add chemical preservatives and artificial colors. But others are just dried fruits, and the only sugar is what's naturally found in the fruit. You need to read labels carefully- what you want is dried fruit with no added sugar or chemicals. It's a very concentrated food- 1/8 cup of raisins is about equal to eating 1/4 cup of grapes,  but if you can manage proper portion control it's fine. It's certainly healthier to reach for dried fruits (especially if you eat them with nuts or jerky, so you have protein and fat in the meal with it) than it is to reach for chocolate candy.


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dark chocolate would be a better option than M&Ms.

Good fats: extra virgin olive oil, ghee. Don't cook with the EVOO, add it after, cook with ghee http://theconsciouslife.com/anti-inflammatory-diet-how-to-balance-omega-3-omega-6-fats.htm

What kind of pots and pans do you use? Cast iron pans can significantly raise your iron levels http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/does-cooking-cast-iron-pots-and-pans-add-iron-our-food

your BMI is fine, but you are right to be concerned about abdominal fat.

You are making good changes, add exercise!!!!!!! Exercise is one of the best ways to lower your LDLs and raise your HDLs when you have an otherwise healthy diet.


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  • Kill the wheat. Seriously.
  • Make sure you get enough exercise.


Most of the rest is the finer points. You have to get the first two right.


yep, what he said.


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I read through the ingredients, but really don't know what I should be looking for.  Neither of the products contain iron even in the nutrition facts.  And as for being processed, again not sure what to look for...

It is not always whether the specific avoid contains a component, or whether the reason it is an avoid is because it causes the body to utilize other nutrients / components incorrectly...  The corn lectin specifically causes incorrect insulin control, which can make the body store more sugars as fats.  Is it possible that some avoid you are eating is causing the iron usage/storage system to malfunction?  I don't know the answer, but it is something to consider.


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  • Make sure you get enough exercise.


Most of the rest is the finer points. You have to get the first two right.


This.
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I am 76kg and 190cm tall. I am on the Master Cleanse at the moment, so my weight before I started was 81kg.



I suspect this is not helping your blood work output at all.
When on the Master Cleanse, you're basicaly eating nothing, and drinking only water, lemon juice and maple syrup.
This is not a healthy thing to do in my opinion and any blood test you have done while on or just after this "cleanse" does not accurately reflect your state of health.

I would recommend eating right for your type for at least a month, being as compliant as you can be, while excercising enough.
And then have your blood tested again.



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jtw - Have you been tested for hemochromatosis (a genetic disease causing abnormal iron metobolism)? A person who has this absorbs too much iron from food. Iron storage overload can be caused by several factors, including  iron supplements, blood transfusions, genetics, foods high in iron (naturally occurring or iron-fortified). I've read that taking calcium citrate with every meal that contains iron helps reduce the iron absorbed. Green tea is supposed to help remove excess iron from the liver. However, Vitamin C can increase absorption of iron if taken with iron-containing foods.  Look at labels of things like cereals, snacks, etc. to see if they have been iron-fortified. Many are, which may add up to too high an accumulation in your body.
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Any ideas on both of these things? High LDL and higher Iron...  

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I am sure that when your body goes thru a change that the blood work may be worse for a while as the body adjusts.
I also know that sugar is related to heart trouble even tho there is no fat in it. The body uses B vitamins to process the sugar & they are needed for other functions.  Maybe there is a 'health store' version of M & Ms. There used to be one that went out of business years ago.

Try the diet some more & see what happens. Maybe you can have more poultry. Is turkey available where you are?
BTW, a friend of mine lived in Taiwan from the mid-80s to sometime around!
She learned Mandarin & could write it so neatly! Now she is back in Illinois & meets lots of Chinese here!

Anyway, stick to the diet, continue to ask us questions & we will help! Even Dr. D reads a lot of our stuff & sometimes answers us. I appreciate that!

To repeat, wheat & dairy are really bad for us. I wouldn't worry too much about individual fruits & vegetables right now. It takes time, but the BTD works!!!!!!!


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