Looking into natural remedies for a very stretched bladder.

this is often a result of BPH and related to urine retention. over a long period of time the bladder stretch rather than burst I suspect and as usual may be the body way of preventing a worse problem.

anyway intermittent catheterisation is a way to empty some of that urine which can amount to litres of the stuff that is just sitting there because there is not enough pressure to expel it.

being very vigilant and going to the toilet often will keep the problem from getting worse, and taking herbs to prevent infection will also help.

this is a common prblem and if you do the watch and wait approacj when having any prostate problems you may end up with this problem. for others prevention will be a whole lot better than a cure believe me. and there is not much info out there on this that is free.

I am gently encouraging Dr D to look at this subject and write a book on it in terms of blood type.

in the mean time all thoughts appreciated.

I had my urine test done yesterday, all clear , not a great big surprise as I'm treating my self with lots of herbs to prevent infection.

now waiting for psa test and testosterone test. with apt with doctor again in two weeks for DRE   oh what fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l1enmyAmpik

hydrophrenosis is one reason not to drink too much water if you are bloated.

I do wonder why the doctor is waiting before advising a catheter?

2 weeks until my DRE, how long after that before ultrasound etc by then i may have popped. lol no one explains anything any-more

Wish I could offer some advice PC. Had the little thug removed 12 years ago. Speaking of, your earlier PSA's have been been OK... just a BPH issue?

yeah I had a psa several maybe 10 years ago, no issue then. been building since then as I was not even aware of anything I could do.

bloody GP are a nitemare over here.

I think 5HTP is most likely the best you could do.. but you have tried it?

weak muscles are a magnesium issue.. Magnesium also regulates water retention and the like.. I never knew I needed it so much.. for headaches and for pain for sleep and maybe for bathroom issues.. and losing weight and diabetes ..

worth researching again and again.. Milk of Magnesia is best absorbed, gels and oils next.. I am currently experimenting with extra loads ..

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yeah I had a psa several maybe 10 years ago, no issue then. been building since then as I was not even aware of anything I could do.

bloody GP are a nitemare over here.

Here, At 50 we start getting a yearly DRE and PSA,  but I think a urologist is a better diagnostician for this. Find a good one, you'll grow old together.

I have my ultrasound appointment on the 4th of February at 10.10 so that may be helpful.

Funny though The letter suggest that I "empty my bladder at 830 am (if I cold do that I wouldn't need an ultrasound) lol

Then, Immediately Drink 2 pints of water, Black Tea or Black Coffee - then  "Do not empty your bladder before the examination". Does a burst bladder count?

I am having a day of just pills and liquid this morning so far

0700 First thing A glass of warm water with a whole squeezed lemon in it. with saw plametto 80 + 550mg, Pygeum 25mg, Pumkin seed 95mg, quercetin 250mg , bromelain 25mg, vit c 625mg. from now on to be called "same pills"

1200 Glass of home made cranberry juice with same pills

1245 cayenne cap

1300 4 oz pineapple teaspoon of harmonia deluxe

1530 nettle tincture followed by nettle tea

1600 same pills

1645 cayenne caps

1700 indian meal with rice

2000 same pills

That's a total of the following
saw palmetto, 2580 mg
Pygeum 100 mg
pumpkin seed 380 mg in capps plus 2-3 small handfulls of raw seeds
quercetin 1000 mg
bromelain 100 mg plus 1/4 pineapple
Vit C =2500mg plus two lemons, a glass of cranberry and vit pill.

I wonder whether this is still okay for a stretched bladder as I have been doing this for a nearly a month and something similar for years and not getting much easier. maybe it's helping relax the bladder more lol

I am drinking a lot less water which seems to help more TBH

Still got several more books to read on the subject and loads of papers too. If I don't know more than the Dr at the hospital by the 4 th of march I will be very surprised and disappointed

1534 feel a bit queasy and light headed, probably from not enough food lol

  Janitorial services are standing by...

Finally had some nettle tea delivered and nettle tincture (which smells like fish) is that normal?

the nettle tea is lovely.

this entertainer looks a lot like Ioannis my prefered greek cook but he has dark hairs... but this man has beautiful reddish hairs... very well styled   but does he suffer from tourette syndrome ...

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yeah I had a psa several maybe 10 years ago, no issue then. been building since then as I was not even aware of anything I could do.

bloody GP are a nitemare over here.

Just watched the video. I've seen everything. That's BS.

Had my DRE (Lucky me lol;) Result Prostate Normal.

Blood test results doctor says they are all Normal.

UTI negative.

PSA 0.5
Creatinine (check spelling ) 77
Urea 30
eGFR 760
Testosterone 13.66 (9.29)

Awaiting ultrasound on the 4th March 2013 to see size of bladder which the doctor thinks is chronic . ie been that way for years.

also have a appointment in the next few months to see urologist to discuss the situation and intermittent self cathetering.

Good news on that PSA. Hope the DRE went better than the video would suggest.  

Are you consuming nettle leaf or root?  They are both healthy, but have different properties.

You're taking a nice big amount of vitamin C and I do also, so I'm not criticizing.  I'm just curious if it is ascorbic acid, or is it a food-based vitamin C supplement.  If I take ascorbic acid, it irritates my kidneys and bladder, so I stick with amla or camu sourced.

The DRE was no problem and not even uncomfortable. I would be very positive about recommending it without worry now.

@ Victoria, the vit c is unfortunately ascorbic, but using up the bottle then will change, wish Dr D did one.

I am looking at better ways to take that. I bough some billberry powder yesterday, wondering if that would do.

the current one is mixed with quercetin and bromelain, (QBC) mix which is handy and i was in a rush to get some as my usual supplier couldn't fill other items so I had to go with alternative supplier to save on a load of carriage from two suppleirs

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Are you consuming nettle leaf or root?  They are both healthy, but have different properties.

I am taking three different sources of nettle.

Nettle tea, which is usually made of the stem and leaf.

Nettle tincture which is supposed to be from the root. but the Latin name does not differentiate between roof and leaf I think. so who know for sure

and I now have the actual root of the herb ground down to a powder which I will be taking from tomorrow or the next day, when ever a iget a chance to lol, haven't stopped lately.

I also have all the necessary herbs now to do a hulda clark cleanses for both parasite and kidney cleanse. since my initial problem may have been a stone and not and enlarged prostate after all. time will tell.

I need to go back to the doctor re some of these blood test results as I can see that two of them are not normal according to some namely the eGFR and the testosterone. but again I have them in hand to some extent with nettle and bee pollen, in addition to my newly compliant diet (thanks Ruthie .

I hope you meant "compliant diet" and not that you're feeding yourself a steady diet of complaints. Negativity won't help anything.

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@ Victoria, the vit c is unfortunately ascorbic, but using up the bottle then will change, wish Dr D did one.

I am looking at better ways to take that. I bough some billberry powder yesterday, wondering if that would do.

the current one is mixed with quercetin and bromelain, (QBC) mix which is handy and i was in a rush to get some as my usual supplier couldn't fill other items so I had to go with alternative supplier to save on a load of carriage from two suppleirs

I've not heard of bilberry as a good source for vitamin C, so I don't know if it will suffice or not.  

Are you able to buy powdered Amla fruit or Powdered Camu?  They are the highest natural sources that I'm aware of and will also provide a good amount of bioflavanoids.  Rose Hips is a great source of bioflavanoids and some vitamin C, but is unfortunately a low dose of C.  I need 2,000 to 3,000 mg of C per day, personally, so I need to stick with a higher potency.

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Awaiting ultrasound on the 4th March 2013 to see size of bladder which the doctor thinks is chronic . ie been that way for years.

When I complained to my Dr. about the bladder growing in size, she stated that sometimes there are infections or blockages in some parts of the bladder, so it grows additional size to be able to accommodate the necessary volume.  As I became more compliant, it seems to have cleared out and returned to a more normal size...  I don't know that I buy her explanation, but am glad that the bulge has gone away.

Update - Had my ultrasound this morning. My Bladder was off the scale in size, too big to measure for the computer. they really were shocked. they are writing to the doctor in no uncertain terms apparently. for urgent urological referral.

the amazing thing is that my Prostate is normal (as far as size is concerned. so the consultant reckons that was never the problem. just goes to show you hoe important the correct diagnosis is.

Any way by problem now is how to get the bladder back to normal or find out if this is even possible as it is so bad.

she suspect it was neurological problem with the bladder muscle detrusal or something like that.

we'll see after my next visit.

The thing I don't fully understand is that when I take a saw palmetto cap like genoma eq or similar, it helps a great deal. even though technically I don't seem to have BPH or perhaps the genona eq works so well that I did or do actually have it but it has reduced the size so much and now I have to fix the results of having BPH for years and not doing something about it earlier.

hope that makes sense

So I might be glad to get an intermittent cathertor. although the  way the consultant was talking she thinks a larger probe might be used with camera on it which in itself can cause inflammation - catch 22 again. need the diagnosis which I know will cause more issues and they will insist on drugs to pout that right.

minefield. all though less so with all the information on my trusted forum.

The pain I was getting originated from the kidney area by the way. some very slight issue there re amount of water. not too familiar with all that yet.

but not bowel area as I had suspected at one stage.

Update. I saw urology nurse today and had another ultrasound scan. which indicted i had a bladder of 750 ml after what was supposed to be empty.

well... using intermittent catheter 1500 ml was withdran at 3 pm.

at 5.30 pm another 1500 ml was withdrawn and it is still no way near empty they suspect that 4 liters or more is in there. but has to be withdrawn slowly and over a period of time.

By 9 pm i expect to take another 1500 ml oh and i have taken no fluids in since a tea at 12 pm. a small cup.

so i'm felling very relieved and a bit tired strangely. looking forward to a good nights sleep due to not haiving to get up all teh time.


Good news also the kidneys seem to be good as does the prostate

having a camera put up there in a few weeks after cathetering intermittently (4 times a day.

unfortunately the signs are that everything was just left for too long so this might be a permanent arrangement.

and for the record intermittent catheterisation is uncomfortable but is doable.

also my eyesight is very bad the last few days. must be related to all this.

so any insight or though very welcome.

my tummy is already 10 cm less!!

when Swami is adjusted to this i am now confirmed as a Explorer and by the highest percentage of 46 %.