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Type Unknown
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I am relatively new to this diet, but I have been reading the websites like crazy and have borrowed the book "Cook Right 4 Your Type." I have many questions. But here is one that I would like to pose to all of you.

One lesson I've personally learned from my own cultural exploration was that many non-Western cultures seem to feel that food is more important than medicine; it is a social event and the way to show hospitality. And when food and hospitality is rejected in some way, it can be easy to feel personally offended.

So I am wondering if any of you have had incidents like this while on the blood type diet. How do you handle it when traveling? Has it posed a problem when attending a friend's dinner party? In those situations do you hold to your diet or do you compromise and and figure you'll deal with the health consequences tomorrow?

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There are as many ways to deal with it as there are people and situations.

You have to decide for yourself whether your personal situation transcends your social etiquette. The healthier you are the more you will be able to adapt to cultural norms.

When travelling, I make the most of an eating establishment's ability to adjust their fare.
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I stick to my diet no matter where I am....I often tell people in advance that I might have to bring
some of my own food if they invite me for dinner...or volunteer to bring a dish to share that at least I know I can eat....If I go to restaurants, I'm always informing the waiter/waitress that I'm on a specific diet, can't eat gluten and need to know if my dietary needs can be accommodated....which usually requires they consult  with the chef and 99% of the time, my needs are met.  This diet has taught me to be assertive when it comes to what I'm choosing to eat...I'd rather eat a compliant food bar
or my own snacks (like nuts, seeds, dried fruit) than eat any meal to please someone other than myself.  If someone is insulted because I won't eat what they prepare then so be it....although I'd
rather handle this subject as honorably as I  possibly could and not offend anyone.

THe thing is, once you inform your family, friends and people start to know you as someone with
resolve to improve your health, they begin to ask you in advance "can you eat this?"  It's also
helpful to have family and friends learn about how you're eating and why...often it piques their
interest and many times they want to try what you're doing.  Fortunately, over the years, my entire
family (husband, son, daughter in law, grandkids) have all started to eat the way I eat...on their
own diets, of course...but it's made it so much easier for us all to follow....cook for one another,
try to go places where we can all eat compliantly.

It's a life choice...and when all the obstacles are handled one at a time, you start to realize you're
not having as much difficulty as you perceive these diets could be.  Anyone can find a salad
just about anywhere...same with eggs, tunafish and basic items most people have in their houses.
Protein sources like fish and poultry are readily accessible...so even for 4 different blood types,
there are foods everyone can eat.  Most vegetables are easy to work with.  Sometimes fruits too.

I always carry my own teabags in my purse....quick snacks....a bottle of water...I could probably
go for 24 hours and not starve anywhere...

As for traveling, call hotels in advance.....make your dietary issues known....cruises, vacation
spots and even business travel can be accommodating if you call where you're staying and find
out in advance what you will be served...There are people of all cultures with dietary restrictions..
people who keep kosher have their own specific requirements....Even with a small lunch bag
with a little cooler pack, you can carry your own yogurt or refrigerated items with you...at least
for the day...and no matter where you go, there should always be some kind of store where you
could buy something you could eat....and if not...I'm thinking you might have to weigh the
true consequences of non compliance.  If your health issues are serious enough and you're dedicated enough to wish to let food be your medicine, you will find a way to make this work.

I'm eating this way since 1988....and it's really, not very difficult!

Good luck!  


"The happiest people don't have the best of everything.....they know how to make the best of everything!"
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Quoted from Type Unknown
One lesson I've personally learned from my own cultural exploration was that many non-Western cultures seem to feel that food is more important than medicine; it is a social event and the way to show hospitality. And when food and hospitality is rejected in some way, it can be easy to feel personally offended.

So I am wondering if any of you have had incidents like this while on the blood type diet. How do you handle it when traveling? Has it posed a problem when attending a friend's dinner party? In those situations do you hold to your diet or do you compromise and and figure you'll deal with the health consequences tomorrow?

I understand your concerns.  I also believe, thanks to Dr. D., that each food is medicine or poison - depending on the individual.  I also agree that food surrounds almost all social events.  Some people are more easily offended when their hospitality is rejected - in varying degrees.

As Chloe stated, between special ordering at restaurants and grocery shopping, we have been able to travel without any compromise of our diets.  The most trouble we have is when a restaurant agrees to "make to order", but the kitchen messes up and then doesn't remake something, but removes the "do not want" item, leaving enough trace to cause a problem.

There are many different types of events.  If it is a friend's event, I discuss with them any issues - some people are bothered if you bring anything, some welcome me bringing my own meat to a barbeque, for instance...  Open communication is key here.  If it is a wedding reception, business dinner, etc. where there is a set menu, we go and eat what we can and leave what we can't.  If there is any question, we assure the host/hostess that we were able to meet our needs.

We also generally carry some snack items with us so we can make do quite easily.


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I generally try to avoid being in social situations where I feel compelled to eat. I literally get sick for a month if I accidentally ingest anything contaminated with wheat. I attended a friends' daughter's Bat Mitzvah a few years ago,where they served Chinese food. I really enjoyed the rice noodles they served. It wasn't until I felt sick the next day that I realized the soy sauce probably contained wheat and/or corn. I cook so much with wheat-free tamari that I'd forgotten the sauce could be a problem elsewhere! I enjoyed that evening, but it was not worth it.

Typically, I eat before going anywhere, and just drink water or seltzer while socializing. If I'm not going far from home,and won't be gone more than a few hours, that works perfectly. For holidays, it's usually "just us" and the rest of the extended family gets together without us. I've been doing that for about 15 years, because it just got too stressed and crazy and I wasn't enjoying the holidays.

When I went to a restaurant with some family members, I ordered a bunless burger and a salad. Another time, extended family members catered a party for a large group of us, but there were plenty of gluten-free items at this particular middle-eastern style restaurant. I just had to stay away from the chicken nuggets and french fries (ordered for the kids) and the rest of the food was fine. I did, however, eat the sushi without soy sauce as an added precaution.

I can't even remember the last time I was invited to a dinner party. If I got such an invitation now, I'd talk to the hosts about my dietary needs, and decline the invitation if I didn't feel confident that I could eat safely.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Well, this piques a few more questions I have for the community. May I ask them here?

A few of you have mentioned that when you do injest certain Avoid foods, you pay for it for a long time after the fact. Or at the very least have noticed the effect of traces of foods that were removed from a meal before serving.

Does this happen with all of the foods on your Avoid lists? Are you able to splurge now and then on something found on your Avoid list without feeling terrible?

I promise I'm not trying to find excuses to eat harmful foods, but I am genuinely curious about how this works.
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I react strongly to even  trace amounts of wheat- it makes my fibromyalgia (fatigue,brain fog, and all-over muscle pain) flare up. Corn and potato make join pains worse. Tomatoes make joint pain worse but also make muscle pain better- so that's something I eat once in a while.

The few times I eat out, I don't worry about "avoid" vegetables such as cucumbers, nor do I worry about "avoid" spices or added sugar. I stay away from wheat, obvious corn, and obvious potato, period. I don't worry that there might be corn-based additives (such as corn syrup or citric acid) in foods that others prepare.

Wheat is the only food that I'm careful to avoid any trace of, because it's the only food that I react to so strongly. I can even get sick from touching it, if the food is wet and there are any cuts in my hands (I discovered this when I first stopped eating wheat, but still prepared things like spaghetti for my kids.)


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I've read a lot of ciriticism about BDT. One explanation for why it works, they say, is because it ban wheat across the board for all blood types, and these critics already agree that wheat is harmful for many.

But what do you think? Obviously what you experience is more than simply Celiac's disease because you've taken out more from your diet than just gluten... Do you find that there have been added benefits from taking things like cabbage and garbanzo beans out of your diet that go beyond simply alleviating gluten intolerance?

And the nightshade connection to joint pain, I forgot to mention that. It's the cucumber that you mentioned that is making me wonder.
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I think that American culture has changed enough that folks don't get offended if one can't eat certain things, but I am sure there must be Asian & African cultures where the hosts would be extremely offended. Maybe some European cultures are in between.

40 years ago, before BTD, we sometimes went to my brother-in-law's for various occasions. They were young, in their 20s at the time, and the wife acted very offended or surprised (body language-facial expression) when I didn't drink coffee or didn't like the very spicy food they liked(now I know I am a taster+ & they must be non-tasters!). Before that, most folks I knew did would understand not to serve spciy food to guests as it wasn't common in our culture. If one liked it, they knew they were not the norm. This woman acted like it was the norm. Today it is moreso & some of that spicy stuff is healthy. I just wasn't used to lots of raw garlic & onions in a salad!

We love avocados, but if I had guests, I wouldn't mix them in everything, knowing that they aren't the norm in our diets, altho they are becoming more commmon. I wouldn't be offended if someone never ate them.
All this says that times have changed!
I would be careful if I went to certain countries, knowing I can't eat most of the food! Even where they eat rice, it is often white rice which is cement in my system to put it politely! Many of the common beans are avoids for me. Many cultures eat a lot of pork. Well, I don't plan any world trips, but one never knows. I still maintain a passport!

Where are you from? Can you share what country? That would tell a lot about your culture & question. We are from all over the world here!!!!


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Mrs T, thanks for your input. I grew up in southern California. I grew up as a vegetarian by choice, even though my supportive parents were meat eaters.

As I got older, I harbored a desire to explore other cultures, and it was a sort of rude awakening that most cultures are not vegetarian. I also quickly learned that cuisine is inextricably tied to culture, and I could see that my hosts may have taken it personally when I rejected the food they prepared.

So I compromised something that was a priority in my younger life for a new priority.

I found that vegetarianism was hard enough to explain to someone (when you barely speak the language), so when I heard about BDT, I couldn't help but wonder if you all have experienced something similar to what I did and how that affects your resolve for good health, and how that has affected other areas of your lives?

....perhaps I take food too seriously.  
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A few of you have mentioned that when you do injest certain Avoid foods, you pay for it for a long time after the fact. Or at the very least have noticed the effect of traces of foods that were removed from a meal before serving.

Does this happen with all of the foods on your Avoid lists? Are you able to splurge now and then on something found on your Avoid list without feeling terrible?

Each person may react differently to each avoid food.  Some people get an immediate, really strong reaction while others (of the same blood type) may get a delayed, or almost non-existent reaction to the same food.  We have to learn what our major triggers are and live life accordingly.  In this way, you learn what you "must" avoid and what you can "cheat with" without having major issues, etc...

Rarely will someone have major issues with every item on the avoid list.  This may be because different foods are avoids because they act differently within the body.  Some avoids are so because they intensify the negative reaction of other avoids.  
Read and study the Typebase information for foods to understand some of the different ways avoids affect the body for a deeper understanding of this issue.


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I've read a lot of ciriticism about BDT. One explanation for why it works, they say, is because it ban wheat across the board for all blood types, and these critics already agree that wheat is harmful for many.

But what do you think? Obviously what you experience is more than simply Celiac's disease because you've taken out more from your diet than just gluten... Do you find that there have been added benefits from taking things like cabbage and garbanzo beans out of your diet that go beyond simply alleviating gluten intolerance?

And the nightshade connection to joint pain, I forgot to mention that. It's the cucumber that you mentioned that is making me wonder.


A's get wheat-- my SWAMI has it as a beneficial. So the  critics often have not read the books, but somehow they are experts.





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Eating out is easy, there is always meat.  

I am weak in so many ways.. going out is always costing me..

BUT if cheating is allowed a little...... Then I am still compliant...

IF I ate what I used to eat culturally, bread pasta, potatoes, sugar, cakes, and orange juice.. I would be totttttally sick! or dead.

Since I started to eat BTD / in my house / ONLY Beneficial or Super Bene's make it past the front door.  

Going out for social-ability I am a bad addict..  BUT still I eat very little neutral or avoids..  BUT I KNOW what health price I am paying..

WHEN I cheat with bread or ice-cream, (the only cheats) then the next day when I feel puffy, have gained a pound or more, I DO NOT NEED to wonder why, nor go to see my doctor and ask why and I am feeling so bad.... I just accept that I did this to my own body self.

One way to have others RESPECT what you chose to eat.... is to anticipate the illness you would get.. according to Dr D's writing.. LONG term.. because one thing you can count on what he researched .... Long term... just say I am trying to avoid 'diabetes'.. heart conditions..old age issues, or just protect your self by eating as best you can, to study or work more efficiently..  


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A's get wheat-- my SWAMI has it as a beneficial. So the  critics often have not read the books, but somehow they are experts.





Wow, I didn't know that. I was just going by what it says on this page:
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?447

It says wheat is neutral at best for some types. Is SWAMI that much different from the blood type diet? I'm thinking maybe the critics are going only by BTD, and that's the only information I have too.
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Wow, I didn't know that. I was just going by what it says on this page:
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?447

It says wheat is neutral at best for some types. Is SWAMI that much different from the blood type diet? I'm thinking maybe the critics are going only by BTD, and that's the only information I have too.


Neutral does not mean avoid. Nor that the food should not be eaten.

SWAMI will vary from individual to individual. The GTD places a different weighting for lectin content in a food because it considers many other factors as well. As does SWAMI, but in a more individualized fashion as lectins as more important for some individuals.
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I've read a lot of ciriticism about BDT. One explanation for why it works, they say, is because it ban wheat across the board for all blood types, and these critics already agree that wheat is harmful for many.


They did not agree on that 17 years ago when the first book came out. Besides, not everyone has to avoid wheat, and even some of the ancient forms (spelt) are acceptable to many people.

And. like Lloyd says, a neutral is simply a food that acts like a food (provides energy and micro/macro nutrients). Most people eat foods that act like foods, don't they?  

Anyway, welcome to the boards.


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In those situations do you hold to your diet or do you compromise and and figure you'll deal with the health consequences tomorrow?


just say you are allergic......everyone respects an allergy or intolerance.....no biggie


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Is SWAMI that much different from the blood type diet?


http://www.dadamo.com/media/swami.htm
http://www.dadamo.com/media/gtd.htm
find out how food rates for you individually, given your personal variables.
This is top of the line nutrigenomics in action!


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Swami is great when you wish to print out food lists..

Swami is great when you know what Geno type you are, or can get measured.

Swami is as great AS YOU MAKE IT.. BUT WITHOUT BTD lists from before.. BEING FAMILIAR AND COMFORTABLE WITH THEM, IS MORE IMPORTANT then is Swami right away.  the early books are more detailed and more educational.. a great beginning of a new life style.. Swami is the cream in whip-cream..

I once lost 25 pounds without noticing at the beginning of BTD, just by eating unlimited portions of meat, and salad/veggies...

Today Swami is not 'that' different for me, but only because I have done BTD for decades...  

Following any book list is better by 95% of all other diets..  I liked the specialty books .. but I own all books.. and gave away dozens..


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. . I could see that my hosts may have taken it personally when I rejected the food they prepared.

So I compromised something that was a priority in my younger life for a new priority.

I found that vegetarianism was hard enough to explain to someone (when you barely speak the language), so when I heard about BDT, I couldn't help but wonder if you all have experienced something similar to what I did and how that affects your resolve for good health, and how that has affected other areas of your lives?

....perhaps I take food too seriously.  


I was vegetarian for 25 years and it took most of that time for my friends and family to get used to my approach to food.  Then I discovered Dr. D'Adamo and that was about 14 years ago.  I got to communicate to everyone that I was now eating some meats but not others and many other foods that I used to eat got switched around.  At first, I was more flexible with my BTD and had not yet learned all the implications of eating Avoids.  Gradually I got to know my body better and learned which reactions came from which foods.

Dairy (not counting ghee), sugar and soy clog up my sinuses and make my tonsils swell up.  Gluten-containing grains cause a flare up of IBS and I can be in pain for many days.  Chicken gives me headaches.  These are some examples of how a person might choose which Avoids would hurt them more, or less.

I choose to eat no Avoids at all, for the sake of my health.  If a person is younger and in excellent health, with no chronic conditions that they are dealing with, they *might* be willing to compromise and eat something that Dr. D has advised against.  

In any case, it is an individual choice.  Knowing your bloodtype (or genotype) and becoming familiar with your food list is the bottom line.  And then working with the reality of your own life's circumstances is your right and responsibility.  Communication with your host/hostess or the restaurant you are eating in, is one way of managing to balance your own needs with those of the place you are eating.



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.I'd rather eat a compliant food bar or my own snacks (like nuts, seeds, dried fruit) than eat any meal to please someone other than myself.

I have had a hard time convincing our friends that I had rather do the same thing than eat something that will make me feel bad. A spoonful of peanut butter with a salad is like heaven compared to that. They feel bad and want to go to all kinds of trouble to fix something for me, but I won't have any of it. Whatever is easy is just fine!


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Spring,
I hear you! People are always wanting to "add chicken" or make chicken the main meat for everyone...I an constantly saying..."Please, do not worry about what I am going to eat!" I prepare beforehand, bring my own snack, or just try to convince them that my body does not require daily meat! Besides, chicken is a neutral on my swami and makes me gain weight if I eat it too often. I love my fish and turkey!


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Spring,
I hear you! People are always wanting to "add chicken" or make chicken the main meat for everyone...I an constantly saying..."Please, do not worry about what I am going to eat!" I prepare beforehand, bring my own snack, or just try to convince them that my body does not require daily meat! Besides, chicken is a neutral on my swami and makes me gain weight if I eat it too often. I love my fish and turkey!


I love fish and turkey too. I think the reason chicken and I don't get along is because of the ton of corn they eat - the grocery store variety, anyway. Corn is like poison to me! I do much better with something like peanut butter except it has been pushed over to the neutral list now. At least it was the last time I checked - it may be back over in the super column by now!


"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin
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HaHa!! I know!!! Celery went from super to neutral and is now avoid!
Oh, how I love peanut butter and almond butter, too!


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