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Rachel D
Monday, January 7, 2013, 10:12pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Such as the alternative milks if they are made at home and honey if it is not used in baking. Is this right? Are there other avoid foods that have a special consideration to them?
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>honey if it is not used in baking

I am unfamiliar with this rule.

>Such as the alternative milks

People who do this are not counting the product as milk or as a beverage. Instead they are saying they are eating a few nuts and drinking a little water. Therefore they look at the rating of the nut instead of the milk.    

In general one is supposed to avoid eating "avoids"


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Rachel D
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I think that this http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1338707072/ was what made me question honey but I can't find where it says that about in baking. It isn't an avoid for me unless I'm a nonnie but I've been baking with it and wondered. That kind of makes sense about the milks.
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As C-sharp said, a packaged item, like a nut milk, might be Avoid because of the avoid ingredients added to the 'milk'.  Whereas, if the nuts themselves are ok on your food list, you could make the nut milk at home using only compliant ingredients and it could be ok in moderation.

This is what Dr. D said about Compliance:
What is compliance?
• If you are recovering from an illness or desire weight loss, then 80%-100% of your food   choices should be highly beneficial.
• If you are a healthy individual over the age of 55, 80% of foods should be beneficial.
• If you are under 55 and healthy, 70% or more of your food choices should beneficial.
• The remainder of your food choices should be neutral. Avoids should not be eaten.



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Some individuals choose to be less compliant and eat a few avoids, even though they know they're not supposed to. After a while on the diet, and enough individual "cheats", people know which foods they react horribly to and which ones they can get away with once in a while. Some long-time BTDers will take this approach, as they're healthy from years of eating right and no longer feel the need to be as cautious with their diets.

Also, there are some foods (such as  raw milk and raw local honey) that are not evaluated separately from the more conventional counterparts (such as pasteurized milk and honey.) Some individuals choose to consider these foods to be "neutrals" even if the pasteurized version is an "avoid" for them. This is what some individuals choose to do for themselves, and they are deviating from Dr D's advice when they do this.

There are also people new to BTD who need to make changes slowly. They may continue to eat some avoids while gradually easing into the diet. Some of them may stop at a point where they still include some avoids in their diets, while others "go all the way" and are 100% compliant after a few weeks or months.

So it's not that some avoids are "fine" but rather that some people don't follow this way of eating 100%.


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if you want to remember that eating avoids make the 500% more damage after having avoided the avoids...so far reintroductions isn't that healthy !!!  


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Quoted from Amazone I.
if you want to remember that eating avoids make the 500% more damage after having avoided the avoids...so far reintroductions isn't that healthy !!!  


Yep! I've done this for a few months with a great gluten-free bar that I discovered in the neighbourhood, it has one avoid, gum acacia. On & off I would enjoy these on a daily basis. It made my intestines sensitive and sore...so...bye-bye to those. I would even take Deflect with these but it was too much for this body! Not worth the few minutes of pleasure for the taste buds. I would love to find a great recipe for g-f bars that have rice protein and crispy bits of rice cereal in it.  
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I’m one of those old-timers who aren’t always 100% strict with the latest version.  Raspberries: BTD – beneficial, GTD – diamond, Swami by Drs D & C – diamond, Swami Express – black dot.  I love raspberries; I’m going to continue eating them.  Spinach went from neutral to total avoid on Xpress.  I’m like why?  But I’ll stop putting it in my lunch salad anyway.  I won’t freak out if it is served to me & will consume it.  

My guide is the type base.  If the food contains a lectin that is bad for B non-secretor then I won’t knowingly cheat.  I travel a lot and eat in restaurants so sometimes I get hidden avoid ingredients.

I just added up my total avoids and all my cheats.  I’m 85% compliant overall.  If I remove the cheats that I only have 0-2 times a year for special occasions then I am 92% compliant on a monthly basis. Some days or weeks that I don’t travel, I’m 100% compliant.


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Rachel D
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I remembered one more that had me surprised. Black pepper was ok if it was freshly ground. It was an avoid because of mold. I can do without black pepper cause I don't really like it. Is this one true or no?
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Yes, that's true for Blood Type Diet, for Os and Bs at least. I never had reason to memorize the A or AB diets. For a while I would use whole peppercorns when making broth and use freshly ground pepper in salads and other foods.

However, black pepper is now an "avoid" on my SWAMI as well as Leah's SWAMI. I still have some in the house but hardly ever use it.  I have a couple of shakers filled with cayenne pepper instead.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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Quoted from Amazone I.
if you want to remember that eating avoids make the 500% more damage after having avoided the avoids...


Amazone I. - WOW - I would love to read more about this... Where did you find this information?  


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Title of the thread: "Some Avoids are Fine..."

Different strokes for different folks.

A friend of mine has just been told his father's health is failing and he will probably not survive until February -- he's 90. He's never heard of Dr. D'Adamo or his work. He doesn't know what an Avoid is and has been enjoying a stiff cocktail, at least, almost every day of his adult life, and is a happy guy. Far be it from me to tell him that were it not for "avoids", he'd have
- lived another 90 years, or
- been happier, or
- been a better person in any way whatsoever.

Just keepin' it in perspective...


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Quoted from san j
Title of the thread: "Some Avoids are Fine..."

Different strokes for different folks.

A friend of mine has just been told his father's health is failing and he will probably not survive until February -- he's 90. He's never heard of Dr. D'Adamo or his work. He doesn't know what an Avoid is and has been enjoying a stiff cocktail, at least, almost every day of his adult life, and is a happy guy. Far be it from me to tell him that were it not for "avoids", he'd have
- lived another 90 years, or
- been happier, or
- been a better person in any way whatsoever.

Just keepin' it in perspective...


My Nana just died aged 90 3/4- the same applies as to this father above.
I think, that there must 1. definitely  be an epigenetic link and 2. that it takes on average 30 years of bad eating/ lifestyle before people get sick (assuming babies are born perfect, it's when folks hit their 30's the first food & lifestyle problems turn up).
So going back 30 years from these 90 year old people, food was way different from now, more nutritious for starters! And before, during and after the war there was little or no sugar and only the rich had fat and meat.
A totally different basis then what most 'normal' people eat nowadays!

My nana died peacefully in her sleep with no prior illness, bar slightly elevated bloodpressure. The first person I know that more than likely literally died of 'old age'! She's my
hero! If I can manage the same, I'll be happy  
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I think that this http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1338707072/ was what made me question honey but I can't find where it says that about in baking. It isn't an avoid for me unless I'm a nonnie but I've been baking with it and wondered.
Maybe you heard someone say that honey is okay if it's not used in bacon.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I'm a few weeks into doing my best at following my SWAMI.  I know it's going to be a process.  For instance I had purchased some almond butter, not realizing it had palm oil in it.  Spelt bread came up as a neutral for me so I picked up some Dave's Killer spelt bread, but it has sugar and sunflower seeds in it.  I finished that and found some rye bread almost 100% compliant except for the sunflower seeds!  So yes it's a learning process for me, even as someone who has done my best not to eat processed foods for several years now.  I feel at peace with the fact that there are many grains I can not have, and am happy with the fact I can still have brown rice, quinoa, and compliant bread.  I am even OK with the fact that all types of milk, except rice milk (ewwww), are avoids as I never was big on milk anyway.  But it is soooooooooo hard to avoid things like *ALL VINEGARS.  It seems that my SWAMI does not want me to have anything aged or fermented.  Balsalmic vinegar is a STAPLE in my diet that I never would have thought would be necessary to cut out.  I can deal with not having rice vinegar or apple cider vinegar, and have been substituting with lemon or lime.  But the balsalmic is just irreplaceable!  The only cheese I am allowed are fresh, soft, cheese like ricotta, feta, and mozzerella.  The only superfood cheese is farmers cheese (whatever that is).  This is mostly fine as I really only kept mozz, feta, and PARM in my house (and an occaisional aged white cheddar for brocc. cheddar soup)  NO PARM!  I will try to keep the parm at a minimum but it's not going away for me completely just yet. So long to pork and avocado, my favorite foods in the entire world!  
I have been doing fairly well so far, by my estimation, however, i succumbed twice to the pressures of living in a foodie town!  All is well, if I seclude myself.  But I am a very social person living in a town full of wonderful restaurants and people who care about food.  I started this diet because I have been unsuccessful losing weight no matter what I do.  And I understand that I may not see results with my SWAMI if I continue to eat avoids, but nothing happens overnight.....I'll get there eventually!  ahhh venting, feels so good....
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kiki, it sounds like you are doing well at making your transitions into compliant (for you) foods.  I know about Portland food.  It's awesome!  But you are learning to monitor the ingredient lists on packaged foods and that's a big step.  Keep up the good work!  



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If you are a non-secretor, you may get avocados back. They are such a good food!
Pork is bad for everyone, but maybe you can season other meats with seasoning used on pork. After some time, you will adapt.  I was using small amounts of vinegar for a while, but now I don't.
We all make mistakes with avoids & food laced with avoids, so don't worry.

Why would they put other oils in almond butter?  I would think it was plain unless it was some kind of spread. We have to be vigilant in reading those labels!

If you are young, you have more time to get your diet organized. I found out about it around my 50th birthday. The next year I bought the ER4YT book. Guess where I was working about that  time?  Great Harvest Breads!!!!!
Over the years I am still learning. Have fun with this new adventure & welcome to the best forum on the internet!!!!


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Quoted from Mrs T O+
If you are a non-secretor, you may get avocados back. They are such a good food!

Why would they put other oils in almond butter?  I would think it was plain unless it was some kind of spread. We have to be vigilant in reading those labels!

Have fun with this new adventure & welcome to the best forum on the internet!!!!


Well, I'm definitely going to have to get that secretor test done!  I've always said that if I were stuck on an island and could only have one food to eat it would be avocado!   I was perplexed by the palm oil in the almond butter too....Thanks for the welcome!  I am finding that I becoming more and more creative in the kitchen,  which is totally fun and and adventure!  
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