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mihnt
Sunday, December 23, 2012, 11:32am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi I'm new here. I've read through 5 or 6 similar threads asking the same thing: "am i hunter or explorer?", but being so individualized with specific measurements and particular needs, they weren't really helpful. So I hope it's okay to repeat the question but with my background instead.

My diet background:
- I was vegetarian in high school. I think I stunted my growth doing that because I was very strict with what I ate.
- I developed an ED in college.
- I wanted to get better, so I went back to my previous vegetarian diet. As hard as it was, I did gain weight, but now I'm not sure how to view it (good or bad gain, etc.) and I kinda just let myself go and I've had ups and downs
- I'm here because 1) I need something my stubborn-self can follow without harming myself anymore and 2) I'm sick of ramen and peanuts.

I'm having trouble deciding if I'm Hunter or Explorer because I have traits for both and some that run contrary to that type.

If Secretor, then I'm a Hunter.
If Non-Secretor, then I'm an Explorer.
The problem is I don't have this information and I'm strapped for cash.
Someone suggested that dental problems is one of the signs that you're a non-secretor. My teeth, however, are perfectly fine. Never had any cavities, despite my complete lack of basic oral hygeine growing up as a teenager.

Hunter Strength: White lines on fingerprints (Yes); Supertaster (Yes); Four or more fingerprints match (No); Spade-like teeth (Yes); Ectomorph (Maybe); Upper leg opening (No); Square jaw (Yes); Family Autoimmune Disease (Yes) = 19 points if not ectomorph; 22 if ectomorph

Explorer Strength: Rhesus-negative (Yes); Supertaster (Yes); Caffeine sensitive (No); Lefthanded or ambidextrous (No); Square jaw (Yes); Mesomorph and Ideal Waist-to-Hip Ratio (Maybe and No); Brachycephalic (No); Index fingers are different (Yes) = 19 points if mesomorph; 16 if not mesomorph

Maybe it's my self-image that's making me indecisive. I can't tell what my body shape is like. Meso-ectomorph? I see and feel mesomorphic. My friend said I'm small framed, which could mean anything. I tried the test though. My middle finger and thumb easily overlap.

Also, I'm anything but symmetrical. My fingerprints don't match and my left foot is a tad longer than my right.

Here's everything else I know about myself. The questions are from the GenoType book:
I am O negative.
My torso is longer than my leg length.
My femur is longer than my tibia.
My ring fingers are longer than my index fingers on both hands.
Q1. I'm not sensitive to caffiene. I had black coffee (no sugar, no milk) every morning last quarter, and yet I fell asleep in class twice and barely kept awake several other times. I actually quit drinking coffee because I it wasn't helping me stay awake. Also, no trouble with medication. I did get an ear infection once, but that was when I was 10 years old and forgot to clean my freshly pierced ears.
Q2. My mother, grandmother, and I suffer from depression and OCD
Q3. My mother and both grandmothers have type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure. My father's father had heart disease and both grandfathers died from chronic alcoholism.
Q4. There haven't been any instances of cancer.
Q5. My grandmother (and her sister) has rheumatoid arthritis and my mother is developing arthitis (not sure if it's the same).
My fingerprints are like this:
RH: D1-Whorl D2-Loop D3-Loop D4-Whorl D5-Loop
LH: D1-Whorl D2-Whorl D3-Whorl D4-Whorl D5-Whorl
Q6. I have white lines in my fingerprints.
Q7/Q8. Three of my fingers don't match.
Q9. I'm right handed.
Q10/Q11. I'm gynic.
Q12. Only one tendon sticks out of my wrist
Q13. I have spade-like front incisors.
Q14. I don't have Carabelli's tubercle.
I have a High waist-to-hip ratio (.85). I don't have a belly or anything, my trunk just looks straight up and down, andro-like, even at my lowest weight.
I have a mesocephalic skull.
I think I'm okay with fragrances. For some reason, I actually like the smell of freshly painted walls (which is something Explorers aren't supposed to like).
I'm neither tall nor long-legged (which is a big Hunter trait).
I'm a supertaster. I happen to hate raw broccoli, grapefruit, and any carbonation. Coffee tastes extremely bitter, but I'm usually more concerned about my burnt tongue xD

I apologize for such a long post. Maybe the answer is obvious but I'm just not seeing it.

I don't know what SWAMI is, but I've seen it mentioned several times. It sounds like I have to buy it, which is something I can't do right now unless it's like $10 or something.
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Sunday, December 23, 2012, 11:55am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hello and welcome mihnt,

I'd say you are an explorer. Why don't you try the explorer diet and see what happens? In any case it will be far better than a vegetarian diet for a type O.

Cheers,
Yaman


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Sunday, December 23, 2012, 1:43pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Eventually you will want the SWAMI.

In the meantime choose one or the other and see how you are doing after a number of weeks. I would try the Hunter first, but only because the book version of Explorer is a bit clumsy compared to SWAMI.
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yaman
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On second thoughts, I tend to agree with Lloyd, try the hunter diet first.


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Sunday, December 23, 2012, 5:19pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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here is another vegetarian O story to learn from
http://www.uoregon.edu/~sshapiro/Pemphigus/AboutSteve.html
steve s story


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Picture/s?

I am thinking Hunter at this point.
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Lola, would a photo help?  Could they message a photo to you or Lloyd?


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mihnt
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Thanks for the replies. I just woke up, so it's nice to know what I can start having for breakfast.

@Lola: Interesting story. I don't remember having any reactions as severe as his, but some of my 'allergic' (if you can call them that) reactions tend to be painful bowel movement and extreme fatigue/drowsiness. I barely had much energy.  

@DoS & Lola: If it would help, I can try taking a photo and messaging it. Or would it be okay to get other people that I personally know their opinion? I'm going out with two friends tonight so I can just ask them and save the trouble.

Now that I thought of it, I should have gotten their opinions before anyways.
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Whatever works for you. Sometimes genotypes are vastly obvious based on appearances, other times impossible based on them. I like the practice of identifying features when I know their blood type etc.
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Hunter is the default O genotype.  Just like teacher is the default A one and nomad is default B one.  Explorers are a definate genotype though, not just leftovers of other genotypes.

Hunters have more symmetry than explorers with their right and left halves, and explorers are usually have a lower center of gravity and stonger build, though not always the case.
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Nobody is 100% symmetrical. It's the DEGREE of asymmetrical-ness that varies.

Since you have healthy teeth in spite of your vegetarian diet, it seems more likely that you're a secretor than a non-secretor. Of course, that's not a guarantee and I think you should definitely get the secretor test  done at some point in your life, but in the short term I'd go with the secretor values- which leans you towards Hunter. Additionally, your strength-testing leans towards Hunter, being 22/19 vs 19/16.

So, if you're going to use one of the diets in the GTD book, Hunter sounds like the wisest choice.

Another option is to use the Blood Type Diet instead of either Genotype diet. You know for a fact that you're an O. If you're only going to buy one more book, I'd suggest Live Right 4 Your Type. If you don't plan to spend money on  books, get them out of the library and read them in order of publication, and follow the food lists on this website.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah (in Israel for the school year), 17yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I had the same question as you when I first read GTD.  I too am O- with unknown secretor status.  When I finally tested out as Explorer, I tried it and found that it made me feel worse.  I did better on the BTD.

The problem with GTD for me was all the dairy.  If you're an O, I think you'll do better on the BTD than on the Explorer.  I never did try Hunter, though.

So I would stick to BTD until you can afford the SWAMI, which will calculate your ideal diet with the given information.

As for your response to Q1, let me just respond this way.  With Sleep Apnea and Adrenals Exhaustion, I was able to sleep anytime, even when loaded up with caffeine.  But now that I've recovered a bit, caffeine can make it difficult for me to sleep.

Good luck!


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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My DH is a hunter and my son is an explorer....both O's.
DH has obvious longer legs than torso....clear hunter sign!
My son is very proportioned with almost exact torso/leg length ratio....but thighs are longer than lower legs.


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If you try hunter first whatever you do, don't eat a stick of butter a day for two years lik I did. I'd try explorer first.


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I don't think anybody should be eating a whole stick of butter a day for any length of time! I could see the necessity in the short term, if you need to make up for too low-fat a diet in the past, but that's just WAY too much butter for anybody in the long term! (Well, maybe if you're 300 pounds of pure muscle and are so active that you need 5,000 calories a day to maintain your weight...then 8 tablespoons of butter per day may be appropriate. But most of us are way smaller and less active than that.) The portion size and frequency guidelines are there for a reason!


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Haha sweet, thanks everyone! Apologies for having not said anything for a couple weeks... New Years, partying, college classes commencing, etc. etc. you know how it is.

Sounds like I should continue the Hunter diet. In the past few weeks, I tried to limit my intake of milk (which I used to drink a LOT of). In combination with completely removing grains/corn from my diet and sticking to just veggies and meat, I'm feeling pretty good

But now what am I supposed to use in my smoothies?! D: lol, it's okay, I'll try finding a milk substitute

I noticed I get pretty satisfied after only 1-2 servings of, say, lean ground beef. That has never happened before. I used to have to eat several sandwiches, couple more bread slices, all that, and still feel hungry. It was pretty funny, I was like "Woah. I... don't want to eat anymore! o_o"

And no worries, I'm not abusing the butter (still kinda afraid of it from my ED days). But I'm liking the ghee. Something else I've never had before.

Anyway thanks again for all the input.
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to give a try to become *better* always leads to mystirious things ... but being selfsufficiante on BTD.. will def. do the trick .....

I observed my 4 overlapping GT's and decided to stay on BTD.... the very best I can do for my health... nobody seems to be able to say at that very moments what's up...so far....why changing then anything when BTD is the solution ....


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Try using water in your smoothies in place of milk. If you want to replace the nutritional value of milk, try using water and some nuts (or nut butter if you have a wimpy blender.)


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But now what am I supposed to use in my smoothies?! D: lol, it's okay, I'll try finding a milk substitute


A big spoonful of almond butter in a cup of water makes a quick almond milk.  You can also use a little coffee mill and grind up some chia seeds and/or flax seeds for protein, fiber and healthy fats.  I don't remember - was there any reason you are not eating fruit?  You could use some pineapple juice and blueberries and this would make a delicious blend that would stick to your ribs.  



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There was a nice recipe for GT hunter smoothie on GT site; fresh mango, pineapple and banana, delicious - just mix with water and add flaxseeds, chia seeds, almonds/almond butter, or pumpkin seeds if you wish to increase protein.  Rice milk may be allowed, perhaps a little, so long as you are not too sensitive to carbs/sugars, otherwise just add water.   Blueberry and banana is also nice.  Sometimes instead of a smoothie, you may try sauteeing chopped walnuts, banana and fresh dates in a mixture of ghee and olive oil - medium heat for 2 or 3 mins.  If you need more protein after, eat a boiled egg, or couple of sardines; that should hold you to lunch time.
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