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BHealthy
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When my ophthalmologist told me that he thought the fish oil caps I take were responsible for improving my eyesight (it has reverted to the way it was in 2010) my husband told me he wanted to take them too.

I went to get him a bottle and saw a note in my spreadsheet that omega 3 might cause prostate cancer so I looked it up and found this:

http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/omega3_cancer_risk.aspx

DH is Type A-.  The Type A book says they're susceptible to cancer but not which kind.  I couldn't find any reference in the forum to "prostate cancer type A" except for a question on what foods have lycopene, since tomatoes are verboten.

So...three questions:

1. does omega 3 increase prostate cancer?

2. are type A- susceptible to prostate cancer?

3. should he use the cancer prevention protocol to mitigate the risk, if he decides to take the fish oil caps, or is that protocol only for people who already have cancer?  His grandfather had prostate cancer so it might run in the family.


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I think Dr D mentions a risk with Flax seed oil being a double edged sword, in the Cancer Book, but not others.


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pc... you forgot to mention Q10 at the same use and time .....


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I did some more research and found this article on Amazon which claims:

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http://www.amazon.com/Prostate-cancer-unrelated-Prostatectomy-Patients/dp/B0008ERNZ8
Prostate cancer risk unrelated to ABO blood type. (Study of 407 Prostatectomy Patients).: An article from: Internal Medicine News [HTML] [Digital]
Nancy Walsh (Author)
However, I didn't buy the article because I don't know the author's credentials.

When I researched flax seed I found several articles indicating it might increase susceptibility to prostate cancer and many of them recommended fish oil instead so I think DH should be OK with fish oil.

CoQ10 seems to reduce incidence/increase survival of cancer, and I found a reference to the fact that Dr. D recommends it for all types, so I will offer DH the fish oil if he promises to take the CoQ10, too.  

Thank you, policychecker and Amazone, for pointing me in the right direction.


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apply the protocols in the cancer book for hubby best

check out the protocol index

best is to individualize all according to physiology, no?

check out ingredients in ocubright and compare


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apply the protocols in the cancer book for hubby best
DH doesn't have cancer, he wants to prevent it.  Should he do the protocol or are they only for existing conditions?  He refuses to follow the Type A diet but he's willing to take supplements.  

Vital Choice just posted this article on Omega 3s and prostate cancer:
http://www.vitalchoice.com/sho.....+Wine+%E2%9C%AF+MORE

Apparently, there was one study which showed a weak link between omega 3 and prostate cancer but, they say, there is so much evidence to the contrary that we can ignore that study.

I wish blood types were mentioned in all these studies....

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best is to individualize all according to physiology, no?

Lola, I don't understand what you mean here.

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check out ingredients in ocubright and compare
I do take a vision supplement (I can't take Ocubrite because it's in a gelcap, mine is a capsule) and will give DH that as well.


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DH doesn't have cancer, he wants to prevent it.  Should he do the protocol or are they only for existing conditions?  He refuses to follow the Type A diet but he's willing to take supplements.  


interesting....

prevention is what the guidelines are all about
hope he changes his mind eventually, once he sees your results, like my husband ended doing.....it did take years, no worries


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Sorry if this has been covered, but why is he concerned about this? If he's getting regular exams & PSA tests, It will be revealed early should a problem be developing.

I am a prostate cancer survivor (11 years out) The only reason action was taken was because of the unusually rapid trajectory of my PSA numbers. The big problem as I understand it, is when we ignore the advice to have periodic testing. It is extremely rare for the numbers to show show normal one year, and seriously elevated the next.

He needs to be on the A diet for general health reasons. Does he need a crisis to convince him of that?
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Quoted from Lola
interesting....

prevention is what the guidelines are all about
hope he changes his mind eventually, once he sees your results, like my husband ended doing.....it did take years, no worries
Yes, I am hoping he will come to the light side eventually and, in fact, the willingness to take the supplements is already a step in the right direction.

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Sorry if this has been covered, but why is he concerned about this? If he's getting regular exams & PSA tests, It will be revealed early should a problem be developing.
Two of our friends, slightly older than he is, had their prostates removed last year, and are unhappy with the side effects, so DH is concerned.  Not concerned enough to follow the BTD but enough to avoid omega 3 if there's any chance it's a trigger.  His last PSA was negative.

DH will never give up meat, coffee or ice cream.  Ever.  He's of the opinion that giving up the foods you love won't make you live longer, it will just seem longer.  I'll be happy if I can wean him off pork.    

Over the past 3 years I have managed to get him to stop eating fast food and diet soda, and he's on board with organics and wild/pasture raised.  He wants to eat a healthier diet but it can't taste healthy.  I try to stock only those foods that are good for him but he travels 3 days a week for work and I have little control then.    

He thinks he's healthy but he's 25 pounds overweight, has HBP, and has way too much stress at work.  Until his daughter is out of college, the work stress won't end (3.5 years).  In spite of that, he's happy, and has no pain or suffering.  The weight and HBP don't prevent him from doing any of the things he loves.

My only hope is to mitigate the dietary damage with supplements but even they have to be easy to manage so I'm going to slip some Deflect in.  

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He needs to be on the A diet for general health reasons. Does he need a crisis to convince him of that?
Unfortunately, yes.  I even agreed not to nag him about his diet if he would agree to change immediately if he ever did have a crisis.

Although I am, technically, healthier than he is, he definitely gets more enjoyment out of life.  He looks forward to seeing friends and family, I dread it because avoids are always involved.  I may live longer but he'll definitely live happier.


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DH will never give up meat, coffee or ice cream.  Ever.  He's of the opinion that giving up the foods you love won't make you live longer, it will just seem longer.  I'll be happy if I can wean him off pork.  

Blood Type A's can probably get away with drinking coffee better than the other blood types, especially organic coffee.  Check into cold water extractors for home use.  The coffee is less acidic, which might be helpful for his health.

We can only do what we can and it sounds like you are making the best of the situation.  Will he let you fill in some of his meals with fish, turkey and chicken? Even lamb might be less harmful than pork, for example.
  

Over the past 3 years I have managed to get him to stop eating fast food and diet soda, and he's on board with organics and wild/pasture raised.  

That's great!  A beneficial step for him.  

He thinks he's healthy but he's 25 pounds overweight, has HBP, and has way too much stress at work.  Until his daughter is out of college, the work stress won't end (3.5 years).  In spite of that, he's happy, and has no pain or suffering.  The weight and HBP don't prevent him from doing any of the things he loves.

Although I am, technically, healthier than he is, he definitely gets more enjoyment out of life.  He looks forward to seeing friends and family, I dread it because avoids are always involved.  I may live longer but he'll definitely live happier.

Happiness goes a long way toward quality of life.  It's good that he is happy and enjoys the life he lives.  





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Quoted from Victoria
Blood Type A's can probably get away with drinking coffee better than the other blood types, especially organic coffee.  Check into cold water extractors for home use.  The coffee is less acidic, which might be helpful for his health.
Our coffee is organic but he won't drink cold extracted. I used to make it for myself, and I love it.  Since it's less acidic, could I risk it every now and then?  He only has 2 cups a day now in an effort to control his BP.

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Will he let you fill in some of his meals with fish, turkey and chicken? Even lamb might be less harmful than pork, for example.
He will eat whatever I cook so I have become skilled at making stew that is mostly vegetables and various other subterfuges to reduce his meat consumption.  When he wants a ham sandwich, though, the best I can do is offer ham that is heritage breed and pasture raised.  He won't let me substitute turkey or even roast beef.  

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Happiness goes a long way toward quality of life.  It's good that he is happy and enjoys the life he lives.  
Yes.  It's hard for me to criticize his diet when he isn't (yet) feeling the negative ramifications of it.  I have to protect him surreptitiously.  


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Our coffee is organic but he won't drink cold extracted. I used to make it for myself, and I love it.  Since it's less acidic, could I risk it every now and then?  He only has 2 cups a day now in an effort to control his BP.

Sometimes I miss coffee, too.    You get to make that decision yourself as to whether or not you are going to drink it, but Dr. D didn't give it a different rating than coffee.  For what it's worth - if I was going to eat or drink an avoid, I would choose the very healthiest, least toxic version that I could find.

He will eat whatever I cook so I have become skilled at making stew that is mostly vegetables and various other subterfuges to reduce his meat consumption.  When he wants a ham sandwich, though, the best I can do is offer ham that is heritage breed and pasture raised.  He won't let me substitute turkey or even roast beef.

You're making the best choices you can.  We can't push our loved ones too much, or they move in the opposite direction than what we want for them.

Yes.  It's hard for me to criticize his diet when he isn't (yet) feeling the negative ramifications of it.  I have to protect him surreptitiously.

I'm not saying to offer him this instead of ham, but occasionally, you could add some of this to his meals and just see if he takes to it.  Who knows where it could lead.  I've eaten most of the variations (pastrami, oven roasted and smokes) and they are very good and minimally toxic, as far as deli meat goes.
http://www.diestelturkey.com/products_deli_turkey_spec.htm

  





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