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marjorie
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Just curious about how many carbs per day do other o's feel satisfied on?

What is your threshold before starting to gain weight?
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for me on a dramatic day .. This is the wrong question..

how many carbs per day do other o's feel satisfied on?


There is NEVER satisfaction with carbs!!!! never!!!! carbs I could eat all day and then ask for more..

I feel satisfied with two eggs for breakfast hours until about 11:30...

If I eat a can of tuna with my for lunch I am satisfied til about 3pm..

If I eat a steak for dinner I am able not to worry about food from that time one.. the amount of meat does not matter all that much 3 to 16 oz .. wow have not had 16 oz for years.. more like a 4 to 6.

IF I eat nuts there is a way to stop, but if I add raisins or anything else then there is no way to stop..  

If I have ice cream one scoop is enough to allow my mind some peace.  If I have chocolate I can do with a small piece, but if someone gives me some of my favorite chocolates.. I eat all until they are gone, even if it is over the span of lets say two days..  

Cereals or bars.. no real way to stop..

Pasta oh yes I could stuff me and then fall solid a-sleep..

Pastry .. if it looks pretty it does not have to be big, .. good memories..

Banana, never can leave the other half on the counter, if it goes in the fridge I can leave it there..

Oranges, one is enough - but I don't eat them any more.. Apples I can do - but not ever half.. I do not eat them either.. swami said no.. grapefruits give me issues as of late.. I love the juice but now I have issues..

Bread, I only stop if the steak comes.. so no to that..

Rice or beans and other starches - forget about it.. even a few cause weight gain or put me to sleep.. I can do 2 table spoons level of certain beans.. per my swami..  works to fill me.,. ?

A salad with thousand Iceland / mayo dressing is always successful, but I eat to much dressing..

WHAT a (great) question ..

I would ask: how much DO you eat? or how much can you NOT eat to feel good?


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Thanks Goldie.. that was a very detailed response, but much needed to hear and it sounds like you know your boundaries for sure
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Hi!

Yes, it is a tricky question to answer  

On a normal day, I have two tablespoons of Quinoa flakes cooked as a porridge (like oatmeal) for breakfast. As I have 1 thick slice of pineapple 30 min prior, that keeps me satisfied until lunch- that's it for grain type carbs for the whole day (vegetables are carbs as well)

But- if I am working physically hard, or the weather gets colder or I am getting over a flare up/ cold/ stressful period, my body starts craving x-tra calories.

I tried to increase portion sizes and frequency, but sticking to protein and veg meals only just didn't do the trick- I'd get hungry again only 1 hour after meals!

But, add a tablespoon or two of a grain type carbs to the meals and hey presto- I can last again till the next meal- it's like my body needs to put on weight in those times and the carbs seem to slow things down.

On those days I'd have up to 6 tablespoons of carbs which seems to be in keeping with the SWAMI recommendations.
I noticed that when I changed the portion and frequency to 'bigger' and 'more often' SWAMI increased my carbs by 400%  

Hope that helps  

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Hi!

Yes, it is a tricky question to answer  

On a normal day, I have two tablespoons of Quinoa flakes cooked as a porridge (like oatmeal) for breakfast. As I have 1 thick slice of pineapple 30 min prior, that keeps me satisfied until lunch- that's it for grain type carbs for the whole day (vegetables are carbs as well)

But- if I am working physically hard, or the weather gets colder or I am getting over a flare up/ cold/ stressful period, my body starts craving x-tra calories.

I tried to increase portion sizes and frequency, but sticking to protein and veg meals only just didn't do the trick- I'd get hungry again only 1 hour after meals!

But, add a tablespoon or two of a grain type carbs to the meals and hey presto- I can last again till the next meal- it's like my body needs to put on weight in those times and the carbs seem to slow things down.

On those days I'd have up to 6 tablespoons of carbs which seems to be in keeping with the SWAMI recommendations.
I noticed that when I changed the portion and frequency to 'bigger' and 'more often' SWAMI increased my carbs by 400%  

Hope that helps  



Sure does, it helps alot, thanks!

I am still feeling better without the carbs for now, but I am sure it will change.. I just noticed how I immediately have a flatter stomach once I stop eating carbs ( other than veggies of course).
However, if I am working out alot, I probably could up my carb intake, but for now, I will just go with what feels right.

Thank you ma'am

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I found it interesting to read about grains on Marksdailyapple.com web site - most lose weight on the proteins, veg, fruit, seeds, nuts.  Also, there is a 6 pg article on grains on Dr Gabriel Cousen's site - http://www.treeoflife.ne??  do search.  He is based in Arizona, USA.  He also gives recipes on crackers and pizza bses which don't use grains, he uses herbs, seeds, buckwheat, s-d tomatoe, celtic sea salt.
I find I need some grain esp in morning and evening, but my diet is still evolving.  I do well with rice, quinoa, amaranth, millet, buckwheat, sprouted spelt bread (like essene). plus root vegetables, and some good fats like avoocado, pumpkin seeds, nuts.
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Decrease my rice intake about 60% and wieght loss is really visible after 1  week  .

They said I got very thin all at once.

Pardon me for my engrish.


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Marc- was that weight loss healthy or unhealthy for you? For many of us, losing weight is a good thing. If it was unhealthy weight loss, you may have cut calories too much when you cut down on the rice. Or you personally may need a lot of grains right now, especially if you're active.

I used to stick to 40g of net carbs per day, before I started on BTD. I lost some weight that way, and kept it off for a year, but plateaued around 175 lbs and couldn't break the plateau. I've lost another 15 lbs with BTD/SWAMI, but still have more to go. I've held this fat since I got pregnant with my oldest, and my body is resistant to letting it go.

I have my SWAMI and I count portion sizes, not carbs or calories. The carbs from diamond foods, such as onions and carrots, seem to have no effect on my weight. I can eat them in abundance and not worry about gaining weight. I do horribly on too much fruit, as it leads to unstable blood sugar. SWAMI recognizes that and only gives me 1/2 cup per day (which is far less than the 3 cups per day SWAMI gave my daughter, also an O.)

I'm supposed to have only 1 cup of grains per day. I'm not big on measuring, but I do fine with "grains only at dinner." Occasionally I'll have some grains with lunch or afternoon snack, and then I may skip the dinner grains (or overeat grains that day and not feel so good, which is why I usually have my grains with dinner.)

I don't really have any added sweeteners, other than about a teaspoon of blackstrap molasses in my morning "mocha mate" (yerba mate and cocoa powder.) Some days I skip the molasses.


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Quoted from aussielady582
I found it interesting to read about grains on Marksdailyapple.com web site - most lose weight on the proteins, veg, fruit, seeds, nuts.  Also, there is a 6 pg article on grains on Dr Gabriel Cousen's site - http://www.treeoflife.ne??  do search.  He is based in Arizona, USA.  He also gives recipes on crackers and pizza bses which don't use grains, he uses herbs, seeds, buckwheat, s-d tomatoe, celtic sea salt.
I find I need some grain esp in morning and evening, but my diet is still evolving.  I do well with rice, quinoa, amaranth, millet, buckwheat, sprouted spelt bread (like essene). plus root vegetables, and some good fats like avoocado, pumpkin seeds, nuts.



Hey there! Funny, I just read his rainbow diet book and it was fascinating stuff. However, he is all about raw? and I struggle with this because I am type o..

I need to lose about 10 pounds right now. Just got a haircut, which looks "ok" but I think it is time to drop the extra weight now.

Thoughts?
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Do you have SWAMI Marjorie? If so, increase compliance. Take a close look at recommended portion sizes and follow it. Make sure you exercise too.

For type Os, exercise truly is the key to weight loss. If you're obese, you can lose some weight from diet alone, but if you "need to lose those last 10 pounds" then exercise is a must.


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Emma eats between 50 and 150 gram carbs mainly from veggies, nuts, chocolate and fruit,
She is rather slim and she stays that way without counting anything

Typically day for her
2 eggs, some kind of veggies  and herbal tea

lunch
small box of nuts, some raw veggies, some slices of cheese( yep I allow her that 1 piece of fruit- maybe 1 slice speltbread with butter  but that is fairly rare or some kind of cold meat.

afternoon
fruit maybe chocolate 85%

dinner
some kind of meat or fish, lots of butter, veggies..'

we eat baked stuff with almondflour in weekend and small ammounts of spelt, rice and millet.



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Do you have SWAMI Marjorie? If so, increase compliance. Take a close look at recommended portion sizes and follow it. Make sure you exercise too.

For type Os, exercise truly is the key to weight loss. If you're obese, you can lose some weight from diet alone, but if you "need to lose those last 10 pounds" then exercise is a must.


I am exercising 4 times yoga, 3 or 4times cardio and weight training at least 3 times.Ridiculous that I cant lose weight.

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Emma eats between 50 and 150 gram carbs mainly from veggies, nuts, chocolate and fruit,
She is rather slim and she stays that way without counting anything

Typically day for her
2 eggs, some kind of veggies  and herbal tea

lunch
small box of nuts, some raw veggies, some slices of cheese( yep I allow her that 1 piece of fruit- maybe 1 slice speltbread with butter  but that is fairly rare or some kind of cold meat.

afternoon
fruit maybe chocolate 85%

dinner
some kind of meat or fish, lots of butter, veggies..'

we eat baked stuff with almondflour in weekend and small ammounts of spelt, rice and millet.



Is Emma an o?

I like her plan... I seem to gravitate towards more vegetables than meat.
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OK, it sounds like you're exercising enough and it doesn't sound like you're exercising "too much" either.

There are a few possible reasons why you can't lose weight right now:

1) You don't need to lose weight. If you're only 10 pounds above "goal weight" then you may be at a healthy weight right now, even if it's heavier than you want to be. You may have build up muscle from that weight training and/or you may have been underweight before.

2) You may need to tweak your diet. Perhaps you're including something in your diet that keeps you from losing weight- cutting out that food or foods may be the last puzzle piece that need to fall into place. Or maybe you're not eating enough of one kind of food, or too much of another- the portion sizes may need to be adjusted. Adjusting might mean increasing portions, not just "eating less." Our bodies tend to hold onto extra  fat if they perceive "starvation" from too little food for the activity level.

3) How "pure" are your foods? Are you eating a lot of foods with "trace" amounts of avoids? You may need to be more compliant. Are you carefully avoiding GMO foods? I've recently read about a lot of people losing weight when they stop eating GMOs, even without following BTD.

4) Our bodies often hold onto extra fat to dilute toxins. If you're getting a lot of toxins from your environment, the extra fat might be a protective mechanism. Do you live in a place that was freshly painted, has new carpet, or other sources of environmental toxins? You may need to "put your home on a diet" to lose the weight.

5) Stress hormones can make us hang onto extra pounds. Has there been unusual stress in your life lately? You may need to address the sources of stress before you can lose the weight. If compliance to BTD has been a source of stress lately, you may actually benefit from relaxing about it and being less cautious about trace ingredients at restaurants and friends' homes.  Yes, I know this is the exact opposite of what I recommended in #3, and I'm not sure which approach is the most appropriate for you right now.


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I am exercising 4 times yoga, 3 or 4times cardio and weight training at least 3 times.Ridiculous that I cant lose weight.

If you are eating well and exercising this much, but can't lose weight, I think the body is either: 1) at a happy weight., or 2) healing something else that is higher priority than taking more weight off.

Don't worry about it.  Keep following the plan and you'll do fine.  Sometimes we forget that our body is the best manager of itself as long as we provide the right inputs, it is quite capable of taking care of itself.


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Is Emma an o?

I like her plan... I seem to gravitate towards more vegetables than meat.


Yes O neg  sec ( my guess would be hunther)

I would say she eats a fairly high diet in fat ( ghee, butter, nuts, choolate and oliveoil ...
- moderate but good quality protein
and good ammounts of veggies.


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OK, it sounds like you're exercising enough and it doesn't sound like you're exercising "too much" either.

There are a few possible reasons why you can't lose weight right now:

1) You don't need to lose weight. If you're only 10 pounds above "goal weight" then you may be at a healthy weight right now, even if it's heavier than you want to be. You may have build up muscle from that weight training and/or you may have been underweight before.

2) You may need to tweak your diet. Perhaps you're including something in your diet that keeps you from losing weight- cutting out that food or foods may be the last puzzle piece that need to fall into place. Or maybe you're not eating enough of one kind of food, or too much of another- the portion sizes may need to be adjusted. Adjusting might mean increasing portions, not just "eating less." Our bodies tend to hold onto extra  fat if they perceive "starvation" from too little food for the activity level.

3) How "pure" are your foods? Are you eating a lot of foods with "trace" amounts of avoids? You may need to be more compliant. Are you carefully avoiding GMO foods? I've recently read about a lot of people losing weight when they stop eating GMOs, even without following BTD.

4) Our bodies often hold onto extra fat to dilute toxins. If you're getting a lot of toxins from your environment, the extra fat might be a protective mechanism. Do you live in a place that was freshly painted, has new carpet, or other sources of environmental toxins? You may need to "put your home on a diet" to lose the weight.

5) Stress hormones can make us hang onto extra pounds. Has there been unusual stress in your life lately? You may need to address the sources of stress before you can lose the weight. If compliance to BTD has been a source of stress lately, you may actually benefit from relaxing about it and being less cautious about trace ingredients at restaurants and friends' homes.  Yes, I know this is the exact opposite of what I recommended in #3, and I'm not sure which approach is the most appropriate for you right now.


I think that I am doing ok with the GMOS. The only thing that I might have some noncompliant oil is dried fruit (raisins, cranberries) but I need to learn more about the GMO. I also have not had any red meat in over one month now. Just fish or chicken and not too much for the amount I work out.

I definitely need to relax about things.. school is taking a toll on me and then I dont know what to eat so I get very worked up.

Chicken-- is non free range ok? I am confused about this one.

Nuts- in moderation.
Fruit- hardly one piece a day if any.
Grains- negative.

so, I am living on veggies, some protein, olive oil, nuts. Maybe cutting out the olive oil will help?

I will take a look at my exact daily plan but I think this makes me more nervous when I have to track everything I put in my mouth. That does not seem healthy to me.

I also think buying my own scale will help. The one at the gym could be off if kids are jumping on and off it all the time.. maybe this is an excuse?

Thanks.
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If you are eating well and exercising this much, but can't lose weight, I think the body is either: 1) at a happy weight., or 2) healing something else that is higher priority than taking more weight off.

Don't worry about it.  Keep following the plan and you'll do fine.  Sometimes we forget that our body is the best manager of itself as long as we provide the right inputs, it is quite capable of taking care of itself.


I wish it was that easy.. to not worry about it. I will try not to focus on the weight, but that is hard.
True- the body will tell me what I need if I listen to it.

Thank you! Breathe.....
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Yes O neg  sec ( my guess would be hunther)

I would say she eats a fairly high diet in fat ( ghee, butter, nuts, choolate and oliveoil ...
- moderate but good quality protein
and good ammounts of veggies.


Hmmm... interesting. Maybe I need some more fat? I dunno.
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I don't eat gluten, sweeteners (sugar, honey, agave, molassas, etc...), dried beans, rice, potatoes or pasta.  When I started SWAMI 3 months ago I also gave up dairy, a huge sacrifice for me.

I'm not celiac, diabetic, or lactose intolerant but I know what these foods will do to me and I feel so guilty when I eat them that it's not worth it even though they don't make me feel bad.

Although my SWAMI allows me 1 cup of carbs a day, I rarely eat them.  When I do indulge in some basmati rice or quinoa pasta, I limit my portion to 2 T. On special occasions or when we eat out I will make exceptions for a bite or two of potatoes or sugar but I rarely cheat big time.  

I believe that your body feels hunger when it needs nutrients.  If you don't give it what it needs, the hunger won't subside.  If you give it something it can't use, then you'll gain weight.

Years ago, I could eat an entire loaf of white bread and not feel full but a 6 oz steak had me stuffed to the gills.  Wheat is an avoid for me and beef is a diamond.

Now that I eat only those things my body can use, I get full very quickly and rarely have cravings.  When I do have a craving, it's for things like cabbage, cauliflower, apples and coffee, all of which are avoids for me (and which I can't believe I can't have).  

If I stick to allowed protein and veggies, and I have no problem doing that, I can pretty much eat as much as I want, I never feel deprived, and the scale doesn't move more than normal.  Normal is between 120.5 and 122.5.  

I don't follow the portion or frequency suggestions in my SWAMI, I get next to no exercise, and I eat lots of fat, but everything I eat is organic, free-range, wild, soy-free and minimally processed (except when we eat out in which case I make the best choice possible).  

For Thanksgiving, in addition to my salad, shrimp with mustard greens, and salmon with artichokes, I had one small pumpkin ravioli and a small serving of pumpkin creme brulee but didn't gain any weight.

What does affect my satiety is salt.  If my meal doesn't have enough salt I'll never feel full.  


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hmm... I need to buy my george foreman. i was doing great when I had this. Now, I dont have anything to cook my meat on and I dont like to fry in a skillet.

what about chicken? Swami says yes, but what if it is not free range? I am in school and that stuff is expensive.
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I definitely need to relax about things.. school is taking a toll on me and then I dont know what to eat so I get very worked up.

I always carry a small bag of homemade BTR walnuts in my purse for emergencies.  Three or four halves will usually tide me over.

BTR nuts, Better Than Roasted, are soaked and dehydrated.  You can buy them but I prefer to make them.  

I season mine with salt and dried spices (pepper, cumin, garlic) before deydrating so they taste delicious and I get some additional bennies in the process.  



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what about chicken? Swami says yes, but what if it is not free range? I am in school and that stuff is expensive.

I have found that when I give my body nutrient-dense foods, it requires less of them.  I eat less so I have to buy less.  

If you eat 12oz of regular chicken at $3/pound, but you only need 6 oz of free-range at $6/pound, you aren't spending any more money.  You might also look into cheaper cuts, like ground chicken or turkey, and make burgers or meatballs that you wrap in lettuce.  

We practically live on ground bison. It's cheaper than grass-fed beef, healthier (I think), and extremely versatile.  


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I have found that when I give my body nutrient-dense foods, it requires less of them.  I eat less so I have to buy less.  

If you eat 12oz of regular chicken at $3/pound, but you only need 6 oz of free-range at $6/pound, you aren't spending any more money.  You might also look into cheaper cuts, like ground chicken or turkey, and make burgers or meatballs that you wrap in lettuce.  

We practically live on ground bison. It's cheaper than grass-fed beef, healthier (I think), and extremely versatile.  


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I had a larabar today but luckily it was all compliant...still, I felt guilty,kind of because of the higher sugar/carb content.

Ridiculous. I think I feel guilty no matter what I eat.
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