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Peppermint Twist
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Plea to Dr. D:

I really, REALLY wish DPN would formulate a COQ10.  I can’t find any brands out there in Decidedly Not BTD-Friendly Land that don’t have some stuff in there with the COQ10 that I don’t want.  The brand I was buying has now started adding Sorbitol (!), so I switched to Solaray, thinking that the fillers/binders and stuff don’t look too bad, but when I got it home, I realized there was an additional bit of the label I should have scrutinized besides the front and the small print called “Other Ingredients”.  Silly me, I thought “Other Ingredients” meant ALL other ingredients besides the COQ10, but no!  They also list some other vitamins in the nutritional breakdown area of the label, and I don’t WANT those particular vitamins:  they add Vitamin E (I’m an O, I don’t need the blood thinning, and the amount they have in there is 333% of the RDA!  Plus it is from “mixed tocopherols”, so Goddess help us all, I don’t know what the source is, blah blah blah) and Vitamin A (I get PLENTY of Vitamin A—I just bought a huge bag of collard greens!), a whopping 47% of the RDA.  You can OD on A and I get plenty of A from leafy greens, etc., as it is.  In short, between the fillers and binders and starches and rogue, anti-O vitamins they put in, I GOT PROBLEMS UP IN HEA!

COQ10 is the only supplement I take EVERY day.  I can’t say enough great stuff about it.  You have so many great supplements (Proberry Caps are a close second to COQ10 on my Greatest Hits list), why no COQ10?  I WANT A DPN COQ10!  Come on, Dr. D, what do you say?  (Answer Key:  “Okay, Peppermint Twist, sure!  If you want a DPN COQ10, I shall formulate one, either one that is good for all types or several different ones for the diff types.  Anything you want, PT, you know you are my favorite!”)



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This one is pretty plain, but you can review the Supplement Facts to discern for yourself...
http://store.ourhealthcoop.com/CoQ-10-60-mg-p/co.htm


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Thanks, J.  The discussion of CoQ10 in that link was surprisingly complete and substantive.  I've done quite a bit of reading on CoQ10 and there is a LOT to cover, regarding all its benefits, etc., and this page did a bang-up job of distilling the big points that someone interested in learning about the supplement would need to know to get a basic understanding.

I'm not sure about an ingredient or two in there but it surely is purer than many brands.  Still, I fervently wish Dr. D would blend up a pure CoQ10 supp, maybe with synergistic other stuff in there, but mainly a CoQ10 supp, so that I could feel REALLY good about taking it.

I've pretty much decided I'm going to return the Solaray.  I do NOT want to be taking all that Vitamin E daily.  It should have said on the front label that it has so much E and A in it, along with the CoQ10.     I get my A and E from my fabulous diet.  All I want out of Solaray or some company is a pure CoQ10!  I know they put the E in there because CoQ10 is fat soluable and they are trying to make it more absorbable by your body, but I take mine with a meal and my meals usually contain plenty of good FATS.  Plus I don't want the anti-opaqueing agent or whatever the flip they put in there.  If the dang thing is opaque, it's opaque, what do I care?

*sigh*


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http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/s.....amp;Dx=mode+matchall

Solaray has other CoQ10 products and potency.  Check 'em out.  



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Thanks, guys.  Looks like even the Solaray "pure" CoQ10 has 50% of one's Vitamin A for the day added, which I don't need or want.  That said, it would be better than the kind I bought that also has a ton of E in there.  I'm returning mine and it is looking like I'll have to look on the net for a pure CoQ10.  Meanwhile, my wish still stands:  that DPN would formulate a CoQ10 supp.  If DPN added other synergistic ingredients, I'd know they were blood-type compatible and intelligently chosen to be in there.  Plus all the binders and what-not would be okay for my type.

Anyhooo, I'll find something on the net and order it.  Nothing in my local stores is up to PT par.  


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Thanks, guys.  Looks like even the Solaray "pure" CoQ10 has 50% of one's Vitamin A for the day added, which I don't need or want.  That said, it would be better than the kind I bought that also has a ton of E in there.  I'm returning mine and it is looking like I'll have to look on the net for a pure CoQ10.  Meanwhile, my wish still stands:  that DPN would formulate a CoQ10 supp.  If DPN added other synergistic ingredients, I'd know they were blood-type compatible and intelligently chosen to be in there.  Plus all the binders and what-not would be okay for my type.

I don't see any vitamin A.

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=SO-1511

These 2 have magnesium stearate, but I live with it in a few of my supplements:
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=SO-1841
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=SO-1840




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Peppermint,
I was thinking about this last week and made a note to start taking CoQ- 10.
I agree with you....please Dr. D?!?!


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I take "Super Ubiquinol CoQ10" from Life Extension.  I feel pretty sure their supplements contain what they say they contain.  I do not take the one that has the "mitochondrial optimizer".
http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Su.....search&key=coq10
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Well, when I returned the Solaray, I discussed the entire CoQ10 sitch with one of the guys from the HFS, who knows a lot about supplements.  The thing with CoQ10 that is odd to moi is that, even within the same brand, they will add certain things to the container that has 60 mg of CoQ10, another thing to the 100 mg variety, and another to the 30 mg.  These things can be synergistic things like omega fats or simply different fillers/binders/whatever.  You have to SCRUTINIZE every speck of the label of every strength within every brand.  I mean, I fancy myself somewhat of an expert label reader and decipherer, but this is MADNESS!     And by "this", I mean the vigilence required to avoid missing seeing some ingredient snuck into one strength that isn't in another strength, etc.  Madness, I tell you!

That said, I finally went with the Now brand, 30 mg (even though I nowadays like to take at least 60 mg per day, often 100...I can just take two or three of the 30 mg, no prob).  The 60 mg had fish oil (Vitamin E) added and the 100 mg had Hawthorne.  Only the 30 was JUST CoQ10, and that is all I want!  The guy at the HFS totally agreed with me that, as long as I'm taking the CoQ10 with good fat, preferably containing omegas, as I do (I told him I take it with a meal that contains fat--Dr. D posted long ago that you should be sure to take some fat with your CoQ10, so I do--usually olive oil, and also usually whatever fat is in my protein source), I'm fine.  You need fat with your CoQ10 to help it absorb.  But I prefer to supply my own fat, not buy CoQ10 bundled with synthetic Vitamin E or Vitamin E from whatever source.

The Now brand is even purer than the brand I used to buy, as it doesn't contain any suspect binders, fillers, etc.  The only thing I'm concerned about is the "cellulose", as I think that is the gelcap part and it could be corn, GMO corn at that, as the label says it contains no wheat (yay!), no this, no that, no the other, yet I don't think it said "no corn".  At this point, though, I was just keen to find a good brand.  I always have noticed that Now has very pure ingredients with FAR fewer additives than other brands, yet I had heard mixed reviews of the Now brand of supplements in the past, as some said they were "low quality".  However, according to my HFS supplement people, that used to be their reputation, but actually--and this comes from someone who visited and toured a Now plant/facility--that is actually an unjust reputation, their quality is fine and their products are indisputably some of the purest out there.  PLUS it was cheaper (yay!) than the other brand, so you know what?  I appreciate the LACK of Vitamin E and the LACK of silicon and whatever dioxide and titanium and "anti-opaqueing agents" and WHATEVER.  Just give me the supplement, opaque or not, makes no nevermind to me!

So, Now it is...for now...get it?  For now?  

I thought it was funny, anyway.  

P.S.  I'm actually muy excited about this CoQ10 now because I like that it is 30 mg--I can go low dosage sometimes, or 60 or 90, user's choice, very customizable.  I am not spending money on ingredients I don't want in there that increase the price, like the E and A, either--ha!  WINNING!

All that said, it would still be groovy if DPN came out with a CoQ10 supp.  If theirs had synergistic ingredients, I'm sure they'd be ones that I could feel good about being in there.


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  Wait a minute, Mr. Postman!  It DOES say "no corn"!  Tra la!  Tra la LA!

I haven't doublechecked my container, but in looking for a link for you all to show you what I bought, the description of it on Amazon says, pretty as you please, right there on the world wide internet web cyberspace thing-a-ma-bob:  NO CORN!  Witness:

http://www.amazon.com/NOW-Foods-Coq10-30mg-Vcaps/dp/B0013OSM2U


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I generally like Now brand products...but I agree...you have to scrutinize everything!


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This one is my personal favourite:

http://www.iherb.com/Healthy-Origins-Ubiquinol-New-Soy-Free-Non-GMO-50-mg-60-Softgels/8211

And, I personally avoid vitamin E and A like the plague !!!


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I take Mercola's Ubiquinol.  Each capsule contains 100mg ubiquinol (Kaneka-QH), citrus extract, and medium chain triglycerides in a fish gelatin capsule. Nothing else.  No gelatin, glycerine, beeswax, lecithin, or coloring.

Ubiquinol (Kaneka QH™ active antioxidant form of coenzyme Q10) is produced by microbial (yeast) fermentation.  There is no residual yeast in the final product.

From the Keneka-QH website:

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Produced naturally within the body, ubiquinol is CoQ10 that has been converted into a substance necessary for use in cellular energy production.  

In the plasma of healthy human, more than 90% of Coenzyme Q10 exists in the reduced form, ubiquinol.  

Until recently, the only way to increase ubiquinol levels in plasma was to convert it from ubiquinone (Coenzyme Q10) within the body, which research has shown becomes increasingly difficult with age. Because it was so easily oxidized outside of the body, it took scientists and researchers more than a decade to stabilize ubiquinol for use in supplements.

KanekaQH™ is more absorbable than CoQ10, which means that optimal levels of CoQ10 can be restored quickly and efficiently, especially in those who are over 40 or are affected by certain age-related conditions.


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I have also been pleasantly surprised at how well NOW works for me. I, too, had  heard the stories in the past about them. Only a few of their products are in my stash, but they work!


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Thanks for the input and suggs, all.  


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Polyvite A has Coenzyme Q10 in it, if one takes the recommended two tablets twice a day that would provide 10mg per day.  Does the polyvite O have the same?
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No...no CoQl0 in the Polyvite O.  

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