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BluesSinger
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Alright... first I want to start off by saying that this healing stuff is hard!  I'm 4 weeks in to following my Swami, (a little wobby the first week and then 99% compliance from there on), and I'm experiencing the following:

- Mental/emotional balance and clarity.
- Some weight loss.
- No more waking up with my calf veins throbbing.
- No more waking up with strange nerve pain cursing through my body.
- No more restless leg syndrome.
- No more waking up with awful fear about life and not knowing why I'm so scared.

However I have:
- Awful aching thumb joints and one of my left finger pad joints hurts to touch almost like it's bruised.
- All over muscle aching at times.
- Mild headaches from time to time from my neck joint pain.

Now I have been coming off dealing with IBS issues but those are resolving.  Also I sprained my left ankle really bad and so I've been dealing with that.

BUT is the healing process something that brings up a lot of pain before it begins to resolve?

I used to have the ER4YT Arthritis book and it suggested removing some of the things my Swami says are beneficial - even diamond foods for me.   I listed all my disease processes when filling out my Swami.  So should I not follow that?   Of course no tomatoes, no potatoes, no almonds.. (which if I remember are all no no's in the Arthritis book), but chocolate for instance is a diamond.  Granted I don't eat alot of it but I do have some each day since it's a diamond.  I have read in that book where people have testified to have their arthritic pain go completely away!  I want that!!!

I feel overall.. in possibly answering my own question, that I should follow my Swami before all else and just know that this healing of years of abuse takes time.  My husband says sometimes it takes 6 months.

Also since I'm overweight, I know as my cells release the fat that my body is busy processing all that stuff and I can only imagine that a lot of it is toxic.  Am I correct in this thinking?  

But my joints seem to be hurting worse than they ever have and at times I feel like I've got low level fibromyalgia with the all over body pain.  It doesn't happen every day.. but some days I wake up and I don't feel right .. I have all over pain and kind of a hard time getting myself going.

I want to know that I'm doing as much as I can to head toward the healing of the other issues and that I'm not doing something that's hindering the process.

I did just order from the ER4YT store, the joint supp's and I took Virginia's suggestions about supp's, (that she suggested on my IBS thread), to take and when to take them for the joint issues...

Comments, suggestions, thoughts?   Thanks so much in advance.  



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have you added all those issues into swami?

when fixing is extreme, detox gets tough.......

just make sure you do not jeopardize your steps forward indulging into any toxin avoids


are you taking deflect, intrinsa, polyflora, genoma security.... to speed up your gut healing process? Don t forget all begins in the gut


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Quoted from Lola
have you added all those issues into swami?

when fixing is extreme, detox gets tough.......

just make sure you do not jeopardize your steps forward indulging into any toxin avoids


are you taking deflect, intrinsa, polyflora, genoma security.... to speed up your gut healing process? Don t forget all begins in the gut


yes i certainly did add those issues to the Swami.  Yes I agree Lola on the toxin avoids.  I won't go near any.  Hubby begged me to try a cookie yesterday that had about 4 avoids in it.  I flatly and firmly said NO.

yes been taking deflect and polyflora for years even though I feel i wasted so much money on supp's since I was eating so bad at the same time.. not quite sure they got to do their job properly.  

And yes taking Intrinsa for about 3 weeks now and not sure what the genoma security is.  I did order the Genoma supp's - is that what you mean?
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The Arthritis book is focused on that one issue, based on blood type.

SWAMI is dealing with everything you entered, as a complex issue.

A practitioner might make some different tweaks that would result in some of the arthritis avoids remaining avoids. You could consider attempting that yourself or having a practitioner who is comfortable with those type of modifications do your SWAMI.
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here, more on genoma security formula
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After following the BTD for more than 10 years and then the Genotype diet for 2 or 3 years, I moved on to the SWAMI and experienced a lot of body pain and headaches for more than 2 months.  I feel sure that it was a positive sign of the dumping of toxins.  Also, I was losing weight during that time, which has to be releasing toxins also.  

The discomfort did lighten and then disappear, so have hope!  I still occasionally go through periods of joint pain, although very seldom and short-lived.  Afterwards, I always feel better than ever.  You have many years of wrong eating behind you and cleaning/healing from all of it will take time as you move into each new level of health.  It's a wonderful thing and well worth the effort.  

Keep an eye on the amount of sugar you might be consuming along with the great chocolate.  I'm not saying don't eat it, but just pay attention to the invisible things in your food that could be flaring the arthritis.  You may find that you will be able to be satisfied with progressively smaller amounts of chocolate so that you still get the benefits without the sugar.  If you are using cocoa and no sugar is involved, my apologies for misunderstanding.  



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Quoted from Victoria
After following the BTD for more than 10 years and then the Genotype diet for 2 or 3 years, I moved on to the SWAMI and experienced a lot of body pain and headaches for more than 2 months.  I feel sure that it was a positive sign of the dumping of toxins.  Also, I was losing weight during that time, which has to be releasing toxins also.  

The discomfort did lighten and then disappear, so have hope!  I still occasionally go through periods of joint pain, although very seldom and short-lived.  Afterwards, I always feel better than ever.  You have many years of wrong eating behind you and cleaning/healing from all of it will take time as you move into each new level of health.  It's a wonderful thing and well worth the effort.  

Keep an eye on the amount of sugar you might be consuming along with the great chocolate.  I'm not saying don't eat it, but just pay attention to the invisible things in your food that could be flaring the arthritis.  You may find that you will be able to be satisfied with progressively smaller amounts of chocolate so that you still get the benefits without the sugar.  If you are using cocoa and no sugar is involved, my apologies for misunderstanding.  


Hi Victoria.. thanks once again for your wonderful encouraging post.  Yes there is no sugar in the chocolate and I'm eating very small amount.  The bar comes in 5 or 6 sections.. and at most I eat a piece twice a day that is maybe 1/4 in by 3/4 inch.  very small.    it has cacao butter, agave and some other bennies in it.  

I'm eating no sugar what-so-ever as it is an avoid.  i use a stevia and vegi glycerine mixture and agave which is a superfood.  

possibly i need to cut out the soy milk.     I don't want to do it but I can do it as it is a black dot.. it is the only black dot i'm consuming with exception of a very minute amt of mayo made with canola oil (a black dot) and apple cider vinegar - an avoid - very occasionally.

to replace the soy milk, i'm thinking of using tahini and water.  I've got an order coming from i-herb and i'll try it out soon.  i hope it works cause I'd really like to shoot for 100% compliancy.  and I can always make mayo with olive oil when i need it.

i can't think of any other thing i'm eating that is an avoid or black dot.  i do have a few neutrals here and there.. but not many.

I have had terrible fatigue for two days now.  the pain with the bowel movements is less and less and my ankle is slowly healing up.  

my weight currently seems to be stuck but it will move again.  

btw... has anyone used castor oil as a massage oil for painful joints?  the program i'm using to help heal my ankle suggests to rub that into the ankle area that is sprained...
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possibly i need to cut out the soy milk.     I don't want to do it but I can do it as it is a black dot.. it is the only black dot i'm consuming with exception of a very minute amt of mayo made with canola oil (a black dot) and apple cider vinegar - an avoid - very occasionally.

Can you have homemade almond milk?  You can make it as rich or as thin as you wish.  I made it for years for my daughter who loved it, but wanted to avoid the commercial brands with ingredients she wasn't supposed to have.

to replace the soy milk, i'm thinking of using tahini and water.  I've got an order coming from i-herb and i'll try it out soon.  i hope it works cause I'd really like to shoot for 100% compliancy.  and I can always make mayo with olive oil when i need it.

I'm always in favor of making your own food as much as possible.  Especially when dealing with chronic conditions, total compliance is such a good idea.


I have had terrible fatigue for two days now.  the pain with the bowel movements is less and less and my ankle is slowly healing up.  

It's understandable.  Your body has been through a lot, with the IBS and then the sprain.  You could probably use some deep rest.


btw... has anyone used castor oil as a massage oil for painful joints?  the program i'm using to help heal my ankle suggests to rub that into the ankle area that is sprained...

I have not tried it, but I've heard good things about castor oil.





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I have used castor oil packs externally.


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I did not read any.. yet I wish to just say that I had big shoulder and knee problems.. I started to use a Magnesium Gel and have fixed my issues in a few weeks to 90 %.  

I think we are all overlooking the need for joints needing Magnesium for muscles to work smoothly and attach to the bones securely.. I think a lot of nerve and MUSCLE issues and trigger point pain could be resolved if we had enough support with Magnesium..

I started with Milk of Magnesia as that is the best way to absorb it internally, but I switched to a Mag gel ( I will share purchase info at around 20 over PM.. )  I think by doing this I stopped mayor arthritis issues from getting worse and actually healing my body..  


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You're only 3 weeks into following SWAMI properly. It's very normal for detox to take even longer than this, especially when you're doing some very deep healing on many fronts at once. As you lose fat, toxins will be released into your body and need to be dealt with. Healing is going to take a very long time.

That said, you don't have to eat every single diamond food in your SWAMI, as long as you eat many of them. Just how many foods are diamonds on SWAMI but an avoid in the Arthritis book? If it's only a handful of foods, you can omit them from your diet and see if that makes any difference.

You definitely should cut out the black dots and any avoids during this healing/detox period. If you share what you're using the soymilk for, we can help you brainstorm alternatives. You may want to start a fresh thread in the cooking forum for that topic, to make it easier to locate the information later. (You're not the only one to cut out soy!)

Castor oil on sore joints can't hurt and may do you a lot of good. It's an avoid when consumed, but fine for topical use. You may also benefit from a magnesium supplement, if you're not already using one. Low levels of magnesium can cause muscle soreness and fibromyalgia symptoms.


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Quoted from ruthiegirl
You're only 3 weeks into following SWAMI properly. It's very normal for detox to take even longer than this, especially when you're doing some very deep healing on many fronts at once. As you lose fat, toxins will be released into your body and need to be dealt with. Healing is going to take a very long time.

That said, you don't have to eat every single diamond food in your SWAMI, as long as you eat many of them. Just how many foods are diamonds on SWAMI but an avoid in the Arthritis book? If it's only a handful of foods, you can omit them from your diet and see if that makes any difference.

You definitely should cut out the black dots and any avoids during this healing/detox period. If you share what you're using the soymilk for, we can help you brainstorm alternatives. You may want to start a fresh thread in the cooking forum for that topic, to make it easier to locate the information later. (You're not the only one to cut out soy!)

Castor oil on sore joints can't hurt and may do you a lot of good. It's an avoid when consumed, but fine for topical use. You may also benefit from a magnesium supplement, if you're not already using one. Low levels of magnesium can cause muscle soreness and fibromyalgia symptoms.


Thanks all..
As far as soy milk, i've been using a bit in my teas and using it to soften the bitterness of the green juice shakes we have in the morning.  

However.. this evening I made Tahini Milk and I will begin to use that in the shakes.

My concern is that I am only allowed 2 tbls 5 x per week. So I'm going to try and make the flax milk recipe I found online which uses sesame seeds as well.  Should be delicious.  

Anyone make flax seed milk before?  Looks easy.. it's just the straining part that looks like a bit of a hassle.

As far as pain.. today was better.  It's weird.  I can have a good day and then a bad day will pop out of no where.

I had a horrific night as I had eaten a bit too much dried mango pieces.  And I remembered in the middle of the night after a horrific IBS attack that years ago when i had my first bout of IBS that I had been eating these same dried mango pieces!  I don't have a good memory per se' so thank God that fact came back to me in my sleep.  

I did get my black current seed oil in the mail today and that is supposed to really help joint inflammation.  As well my order from ER4YT store will be getting here soon with some other belly helpers.  

it seems staying the path and time will be my become my biggest friends during this healing process.   Thank you all for your support.  It's been awesome.
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I like pineapple or grapefruit juice in my green tea. When I have my "mocha mate" (yerba mate and cocoa powder) I sweeten it with blackstrap molasses. I usually add a bit of coconut oil as well (which is beneficial on my SWAMI.) Other times I use rice milk, with or without the added molasses.


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Quoted from ruthiegirl
I like pineapple or grapefruit juice in my green tea. When I have my "mocha mate" (yerba mate and cocoa powder) I sweeten it with blackstrap molasses. I usually add a bit of coconut oil as well (which is beneficial on my SWAMI.) Other times I use rice milk, with or without the added molasses.



hummm.. i've never tried molasses.  does it taste strong?  I hope not!  can't do coconut oil.  (:  and rice milk is too full of avoids unless i make it myself and right now i'd rather try out this flax milk possibility...

i am all yerbaed out right now.. was doing that exact thing.. yerba with cocoa powder but i'm tired of it.. i guess i'll go back to my Bancha or Kukichka..
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Yes, blackstrap molasses does have a strong flavor and isn't very sweet compared to other sweeteners, but my taste buds have adapted to a low-sugar diet and I find the blackstrap to simply be flavorful and plenty sweet for me. You may want to start out with regular molasses rather than the blackstrap kind; it's not quite as nutritious but it has a milder flavor and you may enjoy it more if your body is used to conventional sweeteners right now.


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Yes, blackstrap molasses does have a strong flavor and isn't very sweet compared to other sweeteners, but my taste buds have adapted to a low-sugar diet and I find the blackstrap to simply be flavorful and plenty sweet for me. You may want to start out with regular molasses rather than the blackstrap kind; it's not quite as nutritious but it has a milder flavor and you may enjoy it more if your body is used to conventional sweeteners right now.


Gosh.. I had some blackstrap in the cupboard for years and was always afraid to try it and finally threw it out.. isnt' that a shame!!!    But I'll try it again... I use agave mostly and vegi glycerine as those are superfoods for me.
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boswellia serrata or even cartheriii should solve pain issues ...here   
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