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JJR
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Down!!!!!!!  30 points.  And my ratio is 2.9.

Last time I had it done, I was on the Book Teacher diet and was not eating red meat at all.  Now I eat beef regularly and I had lamb this week.  Yet despite this, it went down.  Plus, I'm eating butter.  And I have an egg every day.  All the things they tell you will make your cholesterol go up, is not.  

My guess is following swami, and staying away from processed foods is more of the reason.  I'm not really sure exactly, but the fact is, I've eaten more red meat this last year than I have in a long time and my numbers are still down.  I don't eat it like it's going out of style.  And I would guess my main source of protein is still fish.  And nuts.  I do eat more of those than any other category of protein.  

But I think there must be something to swami.  I'm guessing.  It might not be the only reason, but I'm sure it plays a part.  

We got it done at a health assessment for my wife's work, that gets you money off on your insurance if you participate.  And I was really nervous this morning about doing it.  Because I've been eating more lately to gain weight.  But it was a huge weight off of my shoulders to get better numbers than last time.  And I'm around 60 points down from where it used to hover at 3 years ago and previous.  Although my ratio's have always been good.  I have high HDL's always.  

Anyways......  I'm rambling.

But I just thought I'd share because my diet goes against "conventional" wisdom about staying away from eggs and red meat to lower cholesterol.  And even butter on a daily basis.  I'm thanking God for my swami, as I'm sure it plays a part.  


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"Finally brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things." - Phillipians 4:8
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ya hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I looooooveee my red meat!!!! Bison NY Strip with grilled onions in olive oil!!! oh yah!

Congrats!!!!  
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Yeah well, you O's........

Of course some have told me my swami is more like an O's in the amount of meat I get for some reason.  


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"Finally brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things." - Phillipians 4:8
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Great news...very encouraging and great for newcomers to see! (I love lamb also and sometimes have it for my first meal of the day which is 3-4 hours after I'm up. I eat fruit before that and my tea.  
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Quoted from JJR

But I think there must be something to swami.  


Ya think?  (hehehe!)  



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JJR....that's awesome~!

I love just it when someone shares a success story....just proves how right-on Dr. D has always been
about our individuality!  And how well these diets work!


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Good job, JJ...
Glad that your numbers are looking better.  Hope you're feeling better as well!


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Never an advocate of sacrificing the life of another creature. I therefore ask what alternative vegetarian sources for your blood group did you try.  
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B12 only comes in animal protein.  Each meat has it's own vitamin make up, which are rich in life giving nutrients.  All of them different.  

You are entitled to your opinion and I have no problem with that.  Eat what you want.  But please be understanding of other viewpoints that aren't your own.  

God told me I can eat meat in his word, therefore I have no problem with it.  Many other people I trust, including Dr.D are proponents of eating meat and their healthful qualities for your body.  Therefore, I again, have no problem with it.  Although my first reason is good enough.  

You will find other vegetarians on this board that have helpful posts and so on and so forth about that subject.  But you will not change all of our opinions and I would hope you can be respectful of us, despite the fact that some of us LOVE eating meat.  



Thank you Joe!!!!  The feeling better will come with keeping overcoming the lymes.  But it's a slow process.  It is helpful to not have to worry about if what I'm eating is hurting me or not though.  At least in that respect.    


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"Finally brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things." - Phillipians 4:8
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Welcome Helen! There are vegetarians or low meat eaters on this board. You will learn a lot & make good friends on the forum. It's a great community!


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Great news, JJR!!!


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Some simple facts even many famous doctors miss on cholesterol:

Food contributes only 10-15 percent of blood cholesterol and the rest is made by liver!

When cholesterol is not ingested in food, there is more reason for the liver to make it!

Anyway, the facts are more true of B and O, and your experience as an AB tells a lot to all of us!



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Congrats JJR!


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I eat red meat and have high of the good cholesterol and low of the bad cholesterol.  I eat according to my Swami.


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Congratulations, JJR!  My experience was the same.  During my 25 years of very careful vegetarian eating with full attention to getting a well-rounded nutritional profile in my meals, plenty of protein and abundant fresh produce and some cultured goat dairy, I struggled with my cholesterol numbers continuously.  Also I experienced a loss of muscle tone, break-down of digestive functions and a gradual deterioration of my health in many areas of my life.

I have never wanted to take the lives of animals.  Therefore I didn't start eating meat again without much serious thought and soul-searching.  I realized that it was a matter of if I chose to live or not.  Since I have been eating the Superfood red meats, my cholesterol balance has become close to perfect.  Back to my ideal weight and IBS is a thing of the past.  I can do much more good in my life if I am healthy.



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Yeah, hopefully it means my liver is getting better.  I know at the beginning of all of my health challenges, I had some teeth problems and for a few stints lived on ibuprofen for the pain. And for an explorer like me, I don't think that was good.  Plus with the amalgams, etc etc.  Bad food.  

Wow Victoria, that is quite the story.  I didn't realize this.  I can't relate, as I grew up hunting.  Meat has always been a staple in our lives.  I don't fault anyone if they believe differently.  But with my raising and along with my belief in God's word, I've never struggled with those types of things.  However, I have become more sensitive to animals in general and more tender and compassionate towards them.  And I think the way some of them are treated in our food chain is really not good.  And I wish that would change.  But that doesn't mean every source treats their animals so poorly.  We were getting lamb from a local farmer that just loved their sheep.  Took great care of them and they were like their pets.  But they also believed that the lambs were very good for your health and they raised them for the meat.  But it's hard not to love them in the process of raising them.  Quite the deal there.  

Anyways....


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. . that doesn't mean every source treats their animals so poorly.  We were getting lamb from a local farmer that just loved their sheep.  Took great care of them and they were like their pets.  But they also believed that the lambs were very good for your health and they raised them for the meat.  But it's hard not to love them in the process of raising them.  


I agree with this perspective.  



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Victoria.. how long did it take for your IBS to abate and what specific things did you do at the time?  You can write me privately if you want.. i've had two weeks of approx. 98% compliancy and still have horrid pain at bowel movement time and then after the diarrhea, i'm pain free until the next time.  It's bizarre.  I have a doc appt tomorrow.  I'm kind of hoping it's parasites!  That way I could figure a way back to sanity with this..  
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P.S. My husband - an O and Hunter, quite eating all meat except fish about 2 months ago.   He lost weight but he looks like alot of muscle tone is gone.  he does not work out and he still indulges in wheat and white bread products when the urge hits him.  

He did it for Spiritual reasons... He's been delving into Eastern Indian work lately and it's wonderful but the meat thing is not good for him.. but then again what do i know.  He goes in for his annual blood work tomorrow.. i'm anxious to see what his numbers are.  
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Victoria.. how long did it take for your IBS to abate and what specific things did you do at the time?  You can write me privately if you want.. i've had two weeks of approx. 98% compliancy and still have horrid pain at bowel movement time and then after the diarrhea, i'm pain free until the next time.  It's bizarre.  I have a doc appt tomorrow.  I'm kind of hoping it's parasites!  That way I could figure a way back to sanity with this..  


It was a process of trial and error for quite a while.  After living with IBS for 3 decades, loose stools for nearly 20 years and always having pain within a short time after eating, I discovered the BTD in 1998.  I had a lot of health improvement but my IBS stuck around.  

After 11 years, I switched to the Genotype diet, which further improved my health and weight, but not my IBS.  I was still eating Spelt and the Ezekial/Essene type of breads, as well as cow yogurt and cheeses.  I did go through a couple of anti-parasite and anti-candida regimes, and got only a little improvement in my digestion.  

Then I eliminated all gluten products as well as oats, and stopped eating all cow dairy except for ghee.  I switched to eating a few spoonfuls of homemade goat yogurt daily instead of a couple cups of cow yogurt.  The results were almost immediate.  Even though my tests were negative for Celiac, I believe my reaction to gluten is significant enough that I'll never willingly eat it again.  I eat a little sheep cheese (Manchego) 2 or 3 times a week with no problem.  If I occasionally eat a little cow cheese (at someone else's house), it does not throw me into IBS, but does makes my stomach hurt.  So I just don't go there.

My Nomad SWAMI is more emphatic about me staying away from gluten, but by the time I started to follow it, I had already been gluten-free for a couple of years.  So it was easy at this point.  



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P.S. My husband - an O and Hunter, quite eating all meat except fish about 2 months ago.   He lost weight but he looks like alot of muscle tone is gone.  he does not work out and he still indulges in wheat and white bread products when the urge hits him.  

He did it for Spiritual reasons... He's been delving into Eastern Indian work lately and it's wonderful but the meat thing is not good for him.. but then again what do i know.  He goes in for his annual blood work tomorrow.. i'm anxious to see what his numbers are.  


I understand.  I was a yoga teacher for more than 20 years and that was a big part of my vegetarianism.  Also I was eating wheat products during that time, too.

It's not the best thing for his health over the long-term.  If he would be willing to stay away from wheat breads, unless homemade from sprouted wheat, focusing instead on millet, quinoa, rice, teff and all buckwheat pasta, he might do better.  

He'll have to work hard to get enough of the right kind of protein.  I hope he will eat plenty of fish and follow the Hunter guidelines for vegetable protein foods.  Beans, nuts and seeds, eggs and some sheep cheeses.  

He might need methylcobalamin B12 and taurine supplementation.  

And I feel sure he won't be interested in being pushed.  




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Never an advocate of sacrificing the life of another creature. I therefore ask what alternative vegetarian sources for your blood group did you try.  


When you eat anything, it is organic in origin and came from something that was alive at one point.  It is good to be thankful for abundance and to have good food to eat.
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When you eat anything, it is organic in origin and came from something that was alive at one point.  It is good to be thankful for abundance and to have good food to eat.


Well said!  
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This is a great article about the whole cholesterol thing:

http://www.sott.net/article/24.....Causes-Heart-Disease


FRESH START TODAY!!!
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