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Jacquie
Thursday, August 23, 2012, 5:54pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Over a month ago I ate some tuna which I later found out was not really tuna (even though the can labeled it as such) and that there are certain types of fish (that this "tuna" was) which can cause stomach cramping/diarrhea due to certain people being sensitive to the fish oil from these certain kinds of fish.  This is not the first time it has happened to me but it seems to be taking quite a long time to leave my system - longer than the last time though it's hard for me to remember since that other time was a while ago....

At first I thought I was having gas and loose stools because of other factors but it wasn't until recently that I realized the fish oil is still present in my stool every time. It is usually light yellowish green/clearish but it appears orange and there are numerous droplets when I eat certain things...such as meat or anything not really on my Genotype list (which I only eat in moderation - usually with no trouble at all). I would stop eating those things all together but honestly don't feel like this would make a difference since I was doing that and nothing changed. Like I said it is in moderation which means once a week for one meal for me.

I thought I should just continue eating the same foods on my list because I had tried doing a two day fruit fast to make it better (which seemed to firm up my stools) but it did not solve the problem. Sometimes my stools are loose, other times they are firm or a combination of the two.

I tried researching this on my own but all I am finding is how to use fish oil to cleanse the colon though I did read some where that it can create gas and cramping for some (this was in relation to taking fish oil pills). So I thought it would be best to wait it out but I thought maybe there would be someone here that could offer some insight on the matter or that there may be a way to get it completely out of my system (since it's been over a month I thought it would be gone by now...) or if I should just continue to wait it out and that is the only way.  

I don't mind waiting. I guess I would just like to gain more insight into why this is taking such a long time to pass out of my system because other than that the genotype diet healed all the other problems I was having so this is a bit frustrating.

Thanks in advance if there is anyone that can offer some insight. If not, that's okay too. Thanks for taking the time to read through all this.
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Thank you, Lola.
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How do you respond to yogurt/kefir?

Loose stools are not necessarily bad. The things you describe may not be bad per say either. Gas and loose stools can actually be a sign of balance happening. Warriors need Omega 3's like everyone else, but you could switch to real Tuna. Just go with compliant fish and you should be good.

Also have you considered the possibility that what you are seeing is actually from the liver cleaning itself? I can't see it, but it is similar to the description of what people see post liver overnight cleanse.

CLA isn't a supplement for Omega 3's, but is a great supplement for typical warriors! The Warrior diet is rich in Omega 3's though with all the soy, some fish, and a lot of the nuts.
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How do you respond to yogurt/kefir?

Loose stools are not necessarily bad. The things you describe may not be bad per say either. Gas and loose stools can actually be a sign of balance happening. Warriors need Omega 3's like everyone else, but you could switch to real Tuna. Just go with compliant fish and you should be good.

Also have you considered the possibility that what you are seeing is actually from the liver cleaning itself? I can't see it, but it is similar to the description of what people see post liver overnight cleanse.

CLA isn't a supplement for Omega 3's, but is a great supplement for typical warriors! The Warrior diet is rich in Omega 3's though with all the soy, some fish, and a lot of the nuts.


Yougurt and kefir tend to slow me down (constipate me) so I do my best to avoid those though I've tried making my own and eating it for a week. Didn't seem to do much good.

That is what I thought too - that this is just my body cleansing itself from the toxic fish oil and it will be back to normal soon but I don't remember it taking so long to clean itself last time this happened (which was over 6 years ago). Seems to be hitting me much worse and longer this time.  It's been almost two months now with no signs of improvement other than seeing the oil released in my stools I suppose. The cramping, the gas, the loose stools and oil in the stools - and to think this all came from just eating 1 can of this stuff. So I will try these pills out and see if there's any improvement. I am patient but I must admit I am tired of the pain as well though it is not so bad. I would just like to be well ASAP. Maybe I am impatient after all...

Real tuna does not bother me.  It's frustrating because they are allowed to deceive people with these labels. Does flax seed have omega 3's?  Because I eat that every day in the strawberry jam I make.  Don't know if that is good enough.  I also eat lots of walnuts every day as well.
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check out the possibility of gallstones.....there is much on the web...or on this site...
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I don't see how the oils from the fish you ate a month ago could possibly still be in your body. I honestly don't see how fish oil could stay in your body longer than a week- but under normal circumstances they'd probably be eliminated in a day or less.

It's definitely possible that the "avoid" fish damaged your body and the damage hasn't  fully healed yet. That seems far more likely. I'm not sure exactly which part of your GI system is damaged or what exactly is needed to heal it.


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I did not think it was possible either which is why I overlooked it for so long after the first week of eating it. But there it is.  The proof is in the pudding I guess. There is also a lot of mucus in my stool which makes sense.  This describes the oil situation better -  http://voices.yahoo.com/oily-bowel-movement-concerned-1636603.html?cat=70

"Escolar -- a fish with a caveat
After posting about my new favorite fish, escolar, I got an interesting comment from Another Outspoken Female at Confessions of a Food Nazi. She said that she had this fish in Australia and it has caused her excessive gastric distress. As it turns out she is not alone. Some on-line research revealed that Escolar contains an extremely high level of gempylotoxin, a strong purgative oil similar to castor oil. These large molecules are hard to digest, and may lead to intestinal cramping and diarrhea. In 1992, FDA even advised suppliers not to import it, but it backed off in 1994 and you can now find escolar in many restaurants."

Something else I found on the subject - http://blog.medellitin.com/2008/12/escolar-world-most-dangerous-fish.html

I do not show any symptoms of having gallstones but thank you for the suggestion.

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How can resturaunts even consider offering this to their patrons!?

I love/hate eating out...
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Some people are able to handle it in moderate amounts but others, like myself are extremely sensitive to it.

Yeah, it's frustrating.  It would be one thing if I had known what I was consuming but it was deceptively labeled as, "low mercury tuna" at Stop & Shop. I knew it tasted different (and not in a good way) the moment I ate it. I should probably let them know about this.
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Not to be a rabble rouser, but this is an egregious deception. You should file a formal complaint with that supermarket chain. They need to take it off the shelf.  
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Yes, I agree.  I will do something about it for sure.
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Just a follow up.  I emailed the store and here was the response from the Company:

"Below is the response to your email sent to me from Wild Plant. If you have any further questions please email Wild Planet at http://www.wildplanetfoods.com or call 1-800.998.9946

Hello Leslie,

Thank you for informing us of the customer’s concern/complaint.  We do empathize with her medical condition; however, she is mistaken about our albacore tuna.  Escolar is a white fish usually used in Sushi bars and some Sushi bars refer to Escolar as white tuna or oil fish.  Wild Planet has never used Escolar in any of our product lines nor has it ever been brought into our canning facilities.   Wild Planet Low Mercury Tuna, No Salt, UPC 296960054 has only one ingredient which is, as the label states, albacore. Our canned albacore is a once-cooked product which means we put the fresh albacore fillet in the can, seal it, and place it in the retort until it is cooked.

The once-cooked method insures everything in the can is albacore including the liquid which is the natural juice of the fish. All of our albacore is poll or troll caught and individually offloaded by hand.  We only use fish that are 3 to 5 years old to ensure low mercury levels.

Once again, we sympathize with the customer’s health complaint, but unless the can was compromised, (bulging or leaking) the product would be sterile and free of any bacteriological presence and definitely did not contain Escolar.

Best regards,
Elizabeth Overstreet
Wild Planet Foods, Inc"


Needless to say, now I'm just baffled as to what the heck is wrong with me.  Am I supposed to believe that what was happening was good for me?  I was not able to digest anything fully.  

I did get the supplement that was suggested here and I think it is working but it might be soon to tell.  Anyway, just letting y'all know if you were curious.  And if not then just disregard this lol.  I know it'll be okay in the end.  I already feel better.  I just get frustrated when I don't understand something.
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The supplements seemed to fix everything.  They just started doing the opposite - constipating me.  When I finally went - no more oil present in stools.  So I stopped taking them but then I slowly went back down hill again (oily stools).  So I started taking 1 a day instead of 2.  Seems to not be doing the same thing any more as now I'm getting stomach aches again from the oil.  But I'll try some things and see if they work again.

More info I found on the subject:

"Both Escolar and oilfish are frequently caught as by-catch of tuna and other fishes.  These fish have a specific indigestible type of fat known as wax esters.  The wax esters build up at the rectum and eventually cause an oily diarrhea."

Source: http://www.helium.com/items/1771877-causes-of-oily-bowel-movements


That would explain how it is still tuna but there is other fish in it as well.
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jacquie, why not find out your secretor status

then run a swami, and let it not only compute your genotype to fit YOU, but also give you a personalized report and listing


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jacquie, why not find out your secretor status

then run a swami, and let it not only compute your genotype to fit YOU, but also give you a personalized report and listing


yeah, i've been meaning to do that for a while now lol.  I even have the secretor status kit thing sitting in my book shelf but now I am trying to decide whether i want to just let my husband do it since he's been having more trouble than me with wax build up and stuff (even though he's on the genotype diet too).  So...trying to decide.  I do not have these problems when on the genotype diet.  It was just bad luck with the fish oil.

Anyway update though - I seem to be doing better.  My stool was completely green at one point which was interesting.  Now it seems much more normal.  I really think the supplements helped if not resolved the issue completely so thank you for suggesting them to me.
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keep on doing the job!  nice going!


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Fish oil raised my LDL alarmingly
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Hi, Im so confused as to weather or not Im a explorer or a nomad. I have been suffering with loss of smell for some time when following the nomad diet and ran the test again and it said that I was explorer , now I suffer with migraines. I have heard quite a lot about the krill oil so I have started taking that , not sure if b+ non secretors should have krill as it comes from shrimp,,, My tongue and mouth tend to feel a little weird is this a sign to stop..... Help




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Mayflowers - Have you stopped taking fish oil? Have you switched brands? Have you switched to krill oil or flax seed oil? I'm asking because I was told to take fish oil, which I have taken for more than a year and a half, and my LDL is still too high. I've been thinking about quitting for a while.
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I have been taking fish oil last 8 month and my LDL went up. But it raised HDL also. I am trying to figure out which oil to cut out. By reading here I am going to stop taking fish oil till next blood test in 4 month.

Flax seed is super food for me but raised blood sugar.
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