Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register


Main Forum Page  ♦   Latest Posts  ♦   Member Center  ♦   Search  ♦   Archives   ♦   Help   ♦   Log In/Out   ♦   Admins
Forum Login
Login Name: Create a new account
Password:     Forgot password

BTD Forums    The Library    Journal Club and Literature Review  ›  * ABO/Microbiome
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 1 Guests

* ABO/Microbiome  This thread currently has 3,766 views. Print Print Thread
3 Pages 1 2 3 » All Recommend Thread
Dr. D
Thursday, August 9, 2012, 1:56pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Peter D'Adamo
Kwan Jhang Nim
Posts: 4,149
Gender: Male
Location: Connecticut
Age: 58
'Our novel finding indicates that the ABO blood group is one of the genetically determined host factors modulating the composition of the human intestinal microbiota, thus enabling new applications in the field of personalized nutrition and medicine.'

Their novel idea?  

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22672382


A whole system is a living system is a learning system.’ -Stewart Brand

Revision History (2 edits)
ABJoe  -  Thursday, August 9, 2012, 3:08pm
Fixed typo in title.
C_Sharp  -  Thursday, August 9, 2012, 2:11pm
Added asterisk to front of thread title to indicate that Dr. D started this thread
Logged
Site Site Private Message Private message
ruthiegirl
Thursday, August 9, 2012, 2:21pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI O+ Gatherer, Healing from Fibromyalgia
Kyosha Nim
Columnists and Bloggers
Posts: 12,140
Gender: Female
Location: New York
Age: 42
Maybe they read it in a novel?


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 1 - 63
ABJoe
Thursday, August 9, 2012, 3:18pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

34% Nomad
Sun Beh Nim
Moderator
Posts: 8,171
Gender: Male
Location: Orange County, CA, USA
Age: 51
  Can they really be so blind that they didn't find similar conclusions already in the published material?


RH-, ISTJ
Wonderful Wife = A+ Teacher; Darling Daughter = A- SWAMI Explorer
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 2 - 63
Spring
Thursday, August 9, 2012, 4:28pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI Explorer
Ee Dan
Posts: 3,123
Gender: Female
Location: Southeastern USA
Maybe someone needs to show them the "search" button. No wonder conventional "knowledge" is in such a mess if this is an example of how "smart" they are!


"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 3 - 63
shoulderblade
Thursday, August 9, 2012, 8:18pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh -
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 1,092
Gender: Male
Location: Kitchener, ON.
Age: 65
Quoted from Spring
Maybe someone needs to show them the "search" button. No wonder conventional "knowledge" is in such a mess if this is an example of how "smart" they are!

I think modern education is somewhat akin to putting blinders on a Horse. Hopefully younger people today, having grown up with the 'search' button, will do a better job of exploring the terrain of knowledge and ideas available than their elders have. This 'discovery' does not really make my day.  






Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 4 - 63
Goldie
Thursday, August 9, 2012, 9:25pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

All Gatherer -70 Scorp/Sag on BTD/GENO 17 year
Sam Dan
Posts: 5,875
Gender: Female
Location: East Coast
so late in coming.. so bad.. yet at least now they will wake up and smell the coffee?????


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 5 - 63
Andrea AWsec
Thursday, August 9, 2012, 9:45pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI INFJ Warrior Taster
Kyosha Nim
Columnists and Bloggers
Posts: 7,678
Gender: Female
Location: Long Island, NY
Age: 51
Ok lets look at the bright side-- they read Dr. D's books and think maybe he is on to something.


And Dr. D can use this in one of his bibliographies.  





MIFHI

"Do not try to satisfy your vanity by teaching a great many things. Awaken people's curiosity. It is enough to open minds; do not overload them." Anatole France

"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
Logged
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 6 - 63
Lola
Thursday, August 9, 2012, 9:59pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,109
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 57
a tiny recognition would have been very civilized

but that would be asking too much


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 7 - 63
Lloyd
Thursday, August 9, 2012, 10:50pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1 (Hunter)
Sa Bon Nim
Administrator
Posts: 7,243
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2180-12-94.pdf

The researchers all have contact information on the first page.

Quoted Text
In this study, we hypothesized that the ABO blood group antigens, which are expressed on
the intestinal mucosa of secretor individuals [16,17] determine the gastrointestinal microbiota
composition in healthy individuals.


Were it me, I would be happy that someone went to the trouble of paying for a clinical trial and putting the results in a peer reviewed journal, another step towards proving my thesis.

Framed in the context of what is accepted as scientific evidence this is a novel finding.

More importantly, it is an important proof of theory.

"The Blood Type Diet is not scientifically proven"

"Well how about this study then? Here's some proof of theory! Peer reviewed!"

So, write the people on the first page and maybe they add an acknowledgment of the theory in practice prior to the study. Oh, and don't forget to thank them for running the study.
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 8 - 63
PCUK-Positive
Thursday, August 9, 2012, 10:56pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Gatherer Rh+, NN, (lewis a+ b-) [Duffy Fy(a+b+) ]
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 4,875
Gender: Male
Location: UK
Age: 53
not so much blind as blatant copying look at some other research the first name has done

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu.....cauthor_uid=22672382

His CV http://fi.linkedin.com/pub/harri-m%C3%A4kivuokko/3/9a2/69b


Kind Regards PC. FIfHI Swami III Pro

Partner (F) is O+(Non) MN. Duffy Fy(a+b+),  Lewis (a+ b-) Gatherer.
DD ( is O+(Non)NN, Duffy Fy(a+b-) Lewis (a+b-) Gatherer
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 9 - 63
Lloyd
Thursday, August 9, 2012, 11:54pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1 (Hunter)
Sa Bon Nim
Administrator
Posts: 7,243
Quoted from PCUK-Positive
not so much blind as blatant copying look at some other research the first name has done

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu.....cauthor_uid=22672382

His CV http://fi.linkedin.com/pub/harri-m%C3%A4kivuokko/3/9a2/69b


Are you saying that ideas should not be researched in a scientific manner that can be duplicated, and the details published with peer review? There is a limit to how far you can go with anectdotal evidence. Dr. D has done some lab work, notably with lectins, but you need to a lot more to gain acceptance.

The clinical trial that is the subject of the thread is an important step forward to validating BTD to the scientific community.



Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 10 - 63
Spring
Friday, August 10, 2012, 3:39am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI Explorer
Ee Dan
Posts: 3,123
Gender: Female
Location: Southeastern USA
Quoted from Lloyd
Are you saying that ideas should not be researched in a scientific manner that can be duplicated, and the details published with peer review? There is a limit to how far you can go with anectdotal evidence. Dr. D has done some lab work, notably with lectins, but you need to a lot more to gain acceptance.

The clinical trial that is the subject of the thread is an important step forward to validating BTD to the scientific community.


Quoted Text
Their novel idea?  

Exactly what sort of response would someone expect to get after a comment like this? Your post seems to be playing down what Dr. D. has done..... Are all the supplements we buy just sort of a shot in the dark - based on what? I don't think so.


"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 11 - 63
Lloyd
Friday, August 10, 2012, 11:23am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1 (Hunter)
Sa Bon Nim
Administrator
Posts: 7,243
Quoted from Spring



Exactly what sort of response would someone expect to get after a comment like this? Your post seems to be playing down what Dr. D. has done..... Are all the supplements we buy just sort of a shot in the dark - based on what? I don't think so.


If I were to take your comment seriously I would have to believe that you are opposed to scientific research.

Dr. D  spent innumerable hours researching his ideas before writing his books. If you read the reference lists in ER4YT you will find that that research took advantage of a large number of publications like the one that is the subject of the thread. It doesn't lessen the theory or the work done on it, much less putting it into practice.

Dr. D's complaint is that his work was not recognized in print by the people who ran the study. Not that they ran the study. The study is a validation.



Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 12 - 63
Amazone I.
Friday, August 10, 2012, 11:39am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh+ GT 4...E/..INTJ ....prop.=non-taster..
Kyosha Nim
Columnists and Bloggers
Posts: 16,278
Gender: Female
Location: CH-Benglen Kanton Z�rich
Age: 56


MIfHI K-174
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 13 - 63
Easy E
Friday, August 10, 2012, 2:20pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh+ Explorer, non-secretor
Ee Dan
Posts: 1,185
Gender: Male
Location: Lafayette, LA
Age: 32
I agree with lloyd.  It is an evolving process.  There is already good biology that has seen O and B have 5 times higher alkaline phosphate (or whatever) than A in the upper GI tract, though all have same digestive power in lower GI tract.

Thats why A's got to spice up their food!


Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 14 - 63
RedLilac
Friday, August 10, 2012, 2:25pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI tweaked Explorer Super Taster from Illinois
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 3,039
Gender: Female
Location: Lombard, Illinois (Chicago suburb)
Age: 63
Dr D has always been ahead of the times – lucky for us he is.


I am B- NON-Sec Explorer; my son is B+ SEC Nomad; my Mother was O+; and my Father was AB-
SWAMI Thanksgiving present 2008
Revised from Arlene B- NonSec to RedLilac on 3/31/06
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 15 - 63
Captain_Janeway
Friday, August 10, 2012, 4:31pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

47% Explorer/Super Taster
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 1,403
Gender: Female
Location: USA
Age: 43
Secretor genotype plays an important role in what types of microbiota are expressed in the intestinal mucosa.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21625510


Rh Neg, Le(a+b-), NN, Fy(a-b+)

INTP/INTJ at work
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 16 - 63
PCUK-Positive
Friday, August 10, 2012, 6:07pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Gatherer Rh+, NN, (lewis a+ b-) [Duffy Fy(a+b+) ]
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 4,875
Gender: Male
Location: UK
Age: 53
I think we are all in agreement and that actually the "Their novel idea" is the cheeky thing.

since we all actually agree that Dr D is the Master, perhaps we should stop arguing or getting wound up with misrepresentation's of each other.


Kind Regards PC. FIfHI Swami III Pro

Partner (F) is O+(Non) MN. Duffy Fy(a+b+),  Lewis (a+ b-) Gatherer.
DD ( is O+(Non)NN, Duffy Fy(a+b-) Lewis (a+b-) Gatherer
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 17 - 63
Dr. D
Friday, August 10, 2012, 7:58pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Peter D'Adamo
Kwan Jhang Nim
Posts: 4,149
Gender: Male
Location: Connecticut
Age: 58
Really, the novel idea was my fathers...


A whole system is a living system is a learning system.’ -Stewart Brand
Logged
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 18 - 63
Andrea AWsec
Friday, August 10, 2012, 11:35pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI INFJ Warrior Taster
Kyosha Nim
Columnists and Bloggers
Posts: 7,678
Gender: Female
Location: Long Island, NY
Age: 51
Quoted from Dr. D
Really, the novel idea was my fathers...






MIFHI

"Do not try to satisfy your vanity by teaching a great many things. Awaken people's curiosity. It is enough to open minds; do not overload them." Anatole France

"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
Logged
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 19 - 63
Spring
Saturday, August 11, 2012, 4:04am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI Explorer
Ee Dan
Posts: 3,123
Gender: Female
Location: Southeastern USA
Quoted Text
If I were to take your comment seriously I would have to believe that you are opposed to scientific research.


And just which comment would that be, Lloyd?


"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 20 - 63
Lloyd
Saturday, August 11, 2012, 12:38pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1 (Hunter)
Sa Bon Nim
Administrator
Posts: 7,243
Quoted from Spring


And just which comment would that be, Lloyd?


The validation by independent researchers is an important part of the scientific process. Suitable trial designs with statistically significant results that can be duplicated by other independent researchers is the epitome of the validation process.

The accrued benefits of validation lead to things like the BTD, which relies on a combination of validated and unvalidated parts as part of a broad hypothetical approach. The validation of any part of the hypothesis strengthens the whole. It may also uncover some other facet that requires adjustment of the hypothesis or the application, which as you know has happened with Dr. D's work as well.

A person may decide for themself that something is valid without independent confirmation based on any of a number of things including partial scientific research, personal experience or the report of someone else's personal experience. All popular diets fads have this dimension, by way of example.

The validation process by way of independent scientific research, whether the findings are novel or confirmatory, is huge.


Revision History (3 edits)
Lloyd  -  Saturday, August 11, 2012, 1:34pm
spelling
Lloyd  -  Saturday, August 11, 2012, 1:31pm
back to unvalidated from non-validated from unvalidated.
Lloyd  -  Saturday, August 11, 2012, 1:25pm
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 21 - 63
Spring
Saturday, August 11, 2012, 2:31pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI Explorer
Ee Dan
Posts: 3,123
Gender: Female
Location: Southeastern USA
Many things have been "validated" by many "scientists." We read stuff all the time that someone has "validated" something only to find that some other person/s "proved" them wrong. At this point in my life, I take all of it with a big grain of salt until I have seen some sort of validation with my own eyes - especially when my life may depend on it. I guess you could say that I am sort of jaded by so-called "validation" by so-called scientists! Actually, maybe not just "sort of" jaded, but completely jaded!!

Dr. D's work made perfect sense to me about two minutes after I first started reading one of his books because of my own beliefs that had been formed over a period of over forty years.

So to say that I don't seem to believe in scientific research reminds me of Benjamin Franklin. I can just see the scientists of today accepting him! "No string of degrees after his name - who does he think he is anyway?! He is no scientist, what does he know?!" People on this forum are proving things for themselves all the time. Day in and day out.

Of course, we would like to see Dr. D. recognized for his work! But, for the most part, all these Johnny-come-lately folks are only interested in seeing their own work recognized, or so it would seem.


"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 22 - 63
Lloyd
Saturday, August 11, 2012, 3:12pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1 (Hunter)
Sa Bon Nim
Administrator
Posts: 7,243
Quoted from Spring
Many things have been "validated" by many "scientists." We read stuff all the time that someone has "validated" something only to find that some other person/s "proved" them wrong. At this point in my life, I take all of it with a big grain of salt until I have seen some sort of validation with my own eyes - especially when my life may depend on it. I guess you could say that I am sort of jaded by so-called "validation" by so-called scientists! Actually, maybe not just "sort of" jaded, but completely jaded!!



So I can put you down as agreeing to the validation of (the thesis of) bacterial affinity by blood type via the study that Dr. D mentioned in the original post, or are you saying that you don't agree that the study was valid or that it didn't validate the concept? Or are you saying the researchers were not properly credentialed? That validation is not needed? Remember that Dr. D relied to a large degree on validated work to come up with the BTD.




Revision History (2 edits)
Lloyd  -  Saturday, August 11, 2012, 4:51pm
added (the thesis of) to the text.
Lloyd  -  Saturday, August 11, 2012, 3:30pm
spelling
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 23 - 63
Spring
Saturday, August 11, 2012, 7:37pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

SWAMI Explorer
Ee Dan
Posts: 3,123
Gender: Female
Location: Southeastern USA
For my part, I don't have any need whatsoever of having Dr. D.'s work "validated." It has withstood the test of time in all ways that are important to me and many, many others.

He didn't seem to receive any recognition of his work in the article, but one thing you cannot deny is that when those who have tried every way under the sun to INVALIDATE or bury his work, his name was mentioned loudly and long. So was that an invalidation of all those that Dr. D. has used as references? Not to us, of course.

If Dr. D. wants to use their reference in the future, that is his choice to make.


"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin
Logged
Private Message Private message Reply: 24 - 63
3 Pages 1 2 3 » All Recommend Thread
Print Print Thread

BTD Forums    The Library    Journal Club and Literature Review  ›  * ABO/Microbiome

Thread Rating
There is currently no rating for this thread