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ArwenLegolas
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As some of you may know, I have now crossed the Diabetic Line. To help me with this is been taking Chlorogenic Acid supplements. It seems to be helping. I did some studies on myself, and discovered if I didn't take them my fasting Blood Sugar levels went up to 138 and while taking them they were around 118. I included a link for you to look at some of the scientific evidence like the National Institute of Health and others have found. Please take a look at those and tell me what you think
I currently have no insurance since we got kicked out of Medicaid and have to weigh my options without the benefit of a PCP. Anything would help.

http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Su.....y=chlorogenic%20acid


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follow the diabetes book and protocols


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As Lola says follow the diet. don't try and cheat it doesn't work for long


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I'd really follow the diet, I feel in the long run it will help you gain control, If you decide to use this product I'd only use it short term, while your working on more compliance.  

I've seen their magazine and what I've seen is mostly advertisement, also this is a new product. I'm not confident that side affects won't show up later.

I looked into the company, because of the discount on tests, I'm still not sure how they work them. Want you to know I understand where your coming from,  I also don't have health insurance.


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As some of you may know, I have now crossed the Diabetic Line. To help me with this is been taking Chlorogenic Acid supplements. It seems to be helping. I did some studies on myself, and discovered if I didn't take them my fasting Blood Sugar levels went up to 138 and while taking them they were around 118. I included a link for you to look at some of the scientific evidence like the National Institute of Health and others have found. Please take a look at those and tell me what you think

Coffee (the source of this product) contains a lectin which is an avoid for ABs, so I wouldn't take it.  The benefit you are probably gaining from it is the ability to slow the uptake of sugar following a meal.  

Cinnamon (Neutral for ABs) has been reported to provide the same benefit.  You may have to experiment a bit to find the best dose for you, which may vary depending on the sweet content of the meal.


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Bear in mind that untreated or under-treated diabetes will have devastating health effects, both long and short term. That fact needs to  be weighed against the potential side effects of various treatments.

This product is made from coffee beans- how does coffee rate for you? I'd  be more comfortable using this product if coffee itself was on my "OK to consume list"- for me personally it's an outright avoid and therefore I personally would hesitate to use this product.

If you have the funds for SWAMI, I'd get that, and input the diabetes diagnosis. If that's not in the budget right now, then get the Diabetes Book (from the library if you have to, but it would be  good for you to own this one.) Whichever plan you follow, follow it to the letter. Even keep "neutrals" to a minimum for a few weeks or months, while you get your blood sugar under control.

One way to approach this might be to use the supplement for a couple of months, while you implement the new food plan. Then stop taking it for a few days and see if your blood sugar remains stable. If it does, then you're done with the supplement. If not, re-start the supplement. A good time for this test is after you finish a bottle, before opening up the next one.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Quoted from ABJoe

cinnamon (Neutral for ABs) has been reported to provide the same benefit.  You may have to experiment a bit to find the best dose for you, which may vary depending on the sweet content of the meal.


http://www.ceylon-cinnamon.com/Identify-Cinnamon.htm

If your going to use cinnamon on a daily basis make sure it is ceylon.  The above is a site that shows and tells you the difference.


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Dr. D's Glycoscia with resveratol in it really helped my son when he was diagnosed as borderline diabetic.  It also helped him lose weight.
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here I'm with our confrère ABJoe     but if you might be a warrior- so I guess café is ok... even for teachers if I remember it well- but some can support it...but not us the explorers....
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You may want to finish up the package you currently have, then try switching to a more compliant supplement to help control blood sugar.

It's hard to know whether a substance derived from green coffee beans is going to react in the body the same way as a beverage made from roasted coffee beans. It might be far harsher on the body, being so refined and "not food-like." OTOH, it may be safer than the coffee beverage, either because it's from unroasted beans and/or because the processing removes the harmful parts of the coffee. It's a fairly new supplement and Dr D hasn't researched it yet.

The best bet is probably to use supplements that HAVE  been researched and proven safe for your blood type. But, as I've stated above, even a "less compliant" treatment is better than no treatment at all.


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Swami is a definite no for my budget. Too costly on $5.29 an hour after 28% of taxes.
I tried Cinnamon without success several years ago when I was still "Pre-Diabetic"
they don't want us to call it Borderline diabetic anymore for some reason. If somebody wants to start a fund raiser for us to get Swami and the test to see if I am a secretor or a non-secretor please feel free to do so. The problem though with me is my borderline personality disorder I discussed in another thread some time ago. Part of this is not being able to stick to anything for longer then a few weeks or maybe months at a time. Being German-born and high-strung and having problems with carbohydrate sensitivities on top of all that makes it hard. I wish that there was a local BTD Practitioner here in Houston who would not charge an arm and a leg who has the SWAMI and can administer the secretor test locally. Most Naturopaths start at around $200 in this area. My husband gets on a long week $374.85 so I am not even thinking about going to one.

I checked out the BTD Diabetic book from the Library and took a look at it, there is no way could handle that kind of Diet.

I am eating mostly Turkey products nowadays, and try to get those that do not contain High Fructose Corn Syrup. Anything else, like the ones without nitrates and nitrites are NOT in my budget, unless you know somebody who would like send me a check of about $250 for food every month on top of the $400 we spend on a healthy diet.

I gave up on the anti-inflammatory diet after about 4 weeks. Vegan + Fish only.
I was climbing the walls after 2 weeks and was so stressed out by a months that I quit. Since stress increases inflammation, it made no sense to me to continue a diet that was to lower my inflammation, when it totally stressed me out.

I am an AB, but I CRAVE buttermilk, something I am not suppose to have.
I have to make judgement calls. Is it better to be stressed and have my CLL become worse because of all the prohibitions on my diet stress me out, OR have the things I crave and be less stressed out, but not BTD compliant?

If there was only one thing wrong with me, I could probably handle it, but having 7 different things wrong, some of which have dietary interferences with each other, just drive me up the wall. Should I just eat as healthy as I can afford since I probably will be dead within the next 10 years anyway (My family is not long lived they all died in their 60s except my Oma who died in her early 70s)
Any suggestions? Encouragements?


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(((HUGS)))) It's really a shame you don't qualify for Medicaid. Something is very wrong with this country when there are people who desperately need medical care but can't afford it. It sounds like you've been on Medicaid in the past but were recently rejected- file an appeal!

I'm not familiar with the Diabetes diet for ABs; I was only looking at the O diet when I took out that book. If it  doesn't seem to work for you, take a look at the Genotype Diet aka Change Your Genetic Destiny. The library should have it.

See which genotype you measure out to be, and see if the diet from the book makes more intuitive sense to you. That may work better for you than the BTD.

There should be no need to buy prepared turkey with nitrites or corn syrup. Added sweeteners are horrible for diabetics. Take a look at raw turkey, in whatever form is the least expensive: ground, whole, specific parts. Compare frozen to fresh, see if different stores offer better deals, etc. You're better off eating smaller amounts of turkey (and filling in the calories with veggies, eggs, and/or compliant grains) than you are buying turkey hot dogs or lunch meat full of avoids. Turkey bones can be used to make soups.

Bear in mind that prepared turkey, with additives and fillers, isn't pure meat. When you buy 8 ounces of turkey hot dogs, you're only getting about 6 ounces of meat. The rest is fillers. Keep that in mind when comparing meat prices.

Don't worry about organic anything, and it's OK if you get your animal protein requirements from the "wrong balance" of foods. If you're supposed to only eat 6 eggs a week and lots of fish, but fish is expensive, it's OK to eat more eggs if that will make it possible for you to afford enough food and stay completely away from avoids.

Craving a cultured dairy product probably isn't so horrible. See how buttermilk rates for you on GTD. If you're a  Teacher, it's beneficial, but if you're an Explorer, Nomad, or Warrior, it's a black dot. So it's not a full-out avoid for any ABs on GTD, and it may even be beneficial.

The more information I get, the more I feel like you should stick with this new supplement. If you've already tried various "more compliant" supplements with poor results, and you're not currently able to eat a fully compliant diet, stick with something you know works.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Thank you so much ((((hugs)))) back. I really do appreciate it.
I tried to measure myself when I checked out the GTD book, but could not figure out how. Maybe I should watch the video somebody told me about. IS there a video about how to measure on this site?


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I have good news. I am NOT Diabetic. My glucose meter was broken! I am not even considered Pre-diabetic. My A1C was only 55 which is normal.


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Great news!

It's a shame you didn't think to double-check the test results BEFORE changing your supplement routine!


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Measurement videos:

http://www.4yourtype.com/swamixp_video.asp

http://www.4yourtype.com/GTD_videos.asp

Before worrying a lot about how to measure check whether the GenoType diet is best for you:

http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm


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weew...great news Mme. AwL ..bravo... and no more stressy situations allowed ....


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I read as far as I could not stay on that diet.. well yes you will have to change to some diet.. why not go for the one that will make you as healthy as you will ever be from here on out.

Things that will make your food money go longer is to buy the foods suggested as they in the long run are cheaper and make it possible to lower your levels all by just eating the best you can..

Do you have other questions?





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It says in the SWAMI to buy only organic. AND Grass Fed Organic meats, Last weekend I bought 1 lb of GFO Stew Beef, 1/2 lb Sirloin Steak, 3/4 lb of London Broil, 1 lb of Ground Beef and 2 small pieces of Mahi mahi and 1/4 of Goat milk and paid nearly $50 for just that. My normal food budget was about $275-$300 a month. I really don't see how I can afford to stay on this 100% When I followed the diet for nearly 100%, my food bill for that month, went up to $630 My husband makes only about $1528 a month before taxes, so $630 for groceries is just WAY to HIGH. Do you know of any programs that help people supplement their food budget?


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It says in the SWAMI to buy only organic. AND Grass Fed Organic meats,...

Do you know of any programs that help people supplement their food budget?

We all do the best we can - either cutting back a bit on quality, cutting out some other extra to budget more for food, or add income...

I try really hard to not depend on the government for additional help because I know most of them are under water further than I am and I don't want to have to pay higher taxes either...  Remember that anytime the government provides something, they have to get the money for it from somebody (or create it out of thin air - which is ultimately inflationary.)!


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I was thinking of a private entity that would help people. maybe I can contact Amit Women or Mazon, a Jewish Response to Hunger. Both are Jewish organizations. I'll call my Rabbi to see if HE knows of any philanthropically minded person or organization who would help somebody in need. But most people do not understand when I try to explain to them about the Geno Type or even the plain ABO diet regimen, so I tell them it's for my Leukemia to maybe get better. That  they understand. WE have MDs in our congregation, and many are very set in their opinion about Alternative medicine.


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