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SophiaVictoria
Thursday, July 19, 2012, 5:39pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hello folks,

I know it's not considered medically sound to lose more than 2-5 pounds per week but I have followed the diet before and lost 12 pounds a week eating 2-4 ounces of beef, tons of greens, 4L of water and green tea. I have a modelling job offer and I have about 30-40 pounds to lose in a couple of weeks.  

Any advice??

Thanks,

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This diet, and the board dedicated to it, is focused mainly on health, not weight loss. Getting healthy usually means getting closer to a healthy weight, but we don't always heal in the order we want to and weight doesn't always come off at the rate we want it to.

Some people do lose a lot of weight quickly. This is more common in people who have a lot of weight to lose, and weight loss normally slows down as a person approaches his or her "ideal weight." For a 5'2" tall woman weighing 300 lbs, it's safe to lose 10 pounds a week, bringing her down to 260 pounds in a month. A year later, when she's 150 pounds and has another 30 to lose, it's going to go a LOT slower, and will/should take more than a month to lose the rest.

If you're dead-set on losing 35 pounds in a few weeks, you may need to combine BTD with something else to speed up the weight loss. By eating healthy, you will lose weight at a healthy rate, and no faster than that. I'm not really familiar with the various "quick fix weight loss systems" out there, but most of them would be improved  by sticking to BTD compliant foods along with whatever supplements or meal combining or whatever else the diet recommends.

When you lost 12 pounds a week, were you literally only eating 2-4 ounces of meat a day, and nothing at all but meat and greens and tea? No fruits, semi-starchy veggies, legumes, nuts, or grains? That already isn't following BTD exactly as it's intended, and may result in quicker weight loss than you'd get from following a more balanced diet.

If you do try to lose weight that quickly, bear in mind that you're going to need a more balanced approach to food if you want to maintain that weight loss and stay healthy in the long-term. Yo-yo dieting is one of the worst things you can do to your metabolism.

Personally, I wouldn't risk my health for a job.


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Go for it then when the job is over use the BTD to maintain your weight at a healthy level.



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well done as far as food is concerned.. I  emailed you.. I wish I liked green tea..


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Low GL, food combine and lots of exercise?? Ask on the other forum 'Fit right for your type'  
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I have followed the diet before and lost 12 pounds a week eating 2-4 ounces of beef, tons of greens, 4L of water and green tea.


do that again......try the liver cleanse in the book .......good luck


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Quoted from SophiaVictoria
I have about 30-40 pounds to lose in a couple of weeks ... Any advice??

Hi SV, you're an adult and can make your own choices so, if you're dead-set on doing this, I'd rather offer you what I think is the most prudent temporary course of action and, hopefully, you'll make the necessary nutritional adjustments/choices post-gig so as not to have to resort to such drastic measures in the future. That said, the only person I'd trust to offer legitimate, science-based advice for fast weight loss is Lyle McDonald. He truly is a complete and utter geek when it comes to researching human biochemistry, sports nutrition and exercise. His business, as well as his website, is called Body Recomposition. The specific guide authored by him which I think would be most applicable to your circumstance is titled "The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook," and this is a blurb from the back cover:

Quoted from The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook
While many would argue that a moderate approach to fat loss is always best, there are clear situations where rapid fat loss is either needed or simply desired. Research also suggests that a faster initial fat loss leads to better long-term results. The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook is a scientific approach to quick weight loss that generates a 4-7 pound fat loss and 11-20 pound total weight loss in only two weeks.

Here's the direct link for the book (it appears that it's also the only one McDonald allows to be purchased in digital format for immediate download):

Frankly, from the description of how you previously ate and, just as importantly (to avoid ketoacidosis), drank to lose body weight, it sounds as though you do understand the premise. However, in his guide, McDonald will walk you through the calculations necessary to tweak caloric amounts, et cetera, specifically for your height, weight and such. There is also a chapter that discusses 'real' nutritional supplementation (i.e., not the c**p sold via infomercials) that will assist your efforts while supporting your health.

Finally, this would work with your time frame, as four consecutive weeks really should be the maximum amount of time for one to follow the program outlined by McDonald.

Good luck, and please be safe.

P.S. I agree with Lola ... i.e., do the liver cleanse at the start of your effort and, again, at the two-week mark to provide additional support, as your body is going to be burning fat for energy and it will need all the help you can provide in eliminating toxins from your body. Also, if you have SWAMI, review your geno-harmonic food list for green vegetable choices that enhance cellular detoxification.

Edit note: SV, I mistakenly thought your time frame to be four weeks, not two. I don't think your goal of 35-40 pounds is feasible, or safe, in such a short time. Maybe you can reach the halfway point of 20 pounds with McDonald's book ... just please avoid anything that promises unrealistic results. As noted in other comments, it's not worth sacrificing your health.



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I don't think it's healthy. Healthy weight loss is 1 to 2 lbs per week.


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Of course you didn't really ask if it was healthy


“Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It’s perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we’ve learned something from yesterday.”

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Quoted from yvonneb
Low GL, food combine and lots of exercise??

Actually, very moderate exercise is key ... as heavy exercising during a dietary program such as SV mentioned following previously can be very counterproductive to not only weight loss but overall health.

Edit note: Emphasis added in quote by me.



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Quoted from yvonneb
Low GL, food combine and lots of exercise?? Ask on the other forum 'Fit right for your type'  


Seriously, is there a fit right for your type or are you just joking?
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Marjorie,

Click here:
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-xr4yt/

You can find it on the main forum page.


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Thanks, folks!

Conor, I will check out that book at the bookstore tomorrow. I've never been one to count calories but drastic times...  

I figure if I apply the liver cleanse, BTD beneficials and this fat loss program, it may just work out. Thanks again!  
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Sophia, I noticed that book is only available online
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Quoted from Conor

Here's the direct link for the book (it appears that it's also the only one McDonald allows to be purchased in digital format for immediate download):


Hi Conor, just out of interest...have you any experience with this diet? Either yourself or someone who has done it?

I went to your link and I don't believe the photos posted of the guys that lost all that weight are genuine. If one loses weight THAT quickly, where does all the excess skin go? Especially if the exercise is light or even none as quoted in the text  

I understood that the 'normal' way of losing weight 1-2 pounds/ week allows for skin to shrink back naturally...
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Marjorie,

Click here:
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-xr4yt/

You can find it on the main forum page.


several forums?? not just different threads?    


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dropping weight will cause shifting in skin and show the remaining fat differently.  Currently I am 'dropping' weight again.. (I refuse to take it back-mentally) ..

My legs look much more muscular then before when they where nicely rounded, some say they look great -I think to many muscles showing. Depending on the gig .. be careful...

by comparison all my extra weight is always on my stomach.. I am taking that off nicely with my personal effort.. My way is the only way to do that - alll other dieting will not do that..

I am keeping my facial fat to a large degree, but 20 or better even 40 pounds, will change the face.  Be careful not to become to gaunt.. MY diet does not make me gaunt..  

My arms are more floppy at my age, nothing I can do about that..

My skin looks ok.. I have good skin..

I feel no weakness.  

If you can do it without extra help, lower meat and many vegetables, might not cause overpowering hunger and defeat you.. I keep some extra help with me.. a pill I can take in as small amounts as I deem needed when the day is long or I have to go to parties..

I would just maybe eat one to 2 fruits.   I eat all my food compliant with MY Swami diamond super beneficial foods.  
I basically change the amount - super/diamond food mostly.

Nap has some kind of REDOXA supplement.. I have no idea what it does.. I am taking it, but have not felt it.. its doing its work quietly..

If you exercise, do not lift heavy weights.. do more, lighten up, with more repetitions.. until the burn starts then take a break by changing the routine and start again.  Health is in repetition.. not weight.  

Did you get my PM?


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Hi Conor, just out of interest...have you any experience with this diet? Either yourself or someone who has done it?

I went to your link and I don't believe the photos posted of the guys that lost all that weight are genuine. If one loses weight THAT quickly, where does all the excess skin go? Especially if the exercise is light or even none as quoted in the text

I understood that the 'normal' way of losing weight 1-2 pounds/ week allows for skin to shrink back naturally...

Hi yvonneb, yes, I know two people that followed the diet. One for general weight loss and the other in preparation for the National Finals Rodeo (NFR) competition. The first person followed the diet as outlined for a total of 12 weeks, with a two-week break in-between each four-week period (so, four months all together). Over the course of four months, he lost just in excess of 85 pounds. The latter person wasn't unfit to start with and only used the diet to 'lean out,' so to speak, in the month leading up to the finals. He had to modify the diet about two weeks into it, though, because he found that it was too effective in dropping weight (plus, he ramped up his workout regimen about 14 days out).

The first person I mentioned is an 'office' type and had never stepped foot in a gym since PE in high school. He started walking six days a week and began doing light strength training (compound, full body exercises only) three days a week. As he starting losing weight, he added bike riding on weekends. Nothing more, though. I've not seen him shirtless, however, I have seen him in a short-sleeve shirt and his facial, neck and arm skin doesn't look saggy, at all.

The skin is a dynamic organ, able to expand and contract. Myself, I believe that one of the keys to its good health is sufficient hydration (and, obviously, good nutriton containing quality proteins, fatty acids, et cetera). I mean, I've seen some pregnant women in their final trimester that looked as though they're about to birth a tugboat and, yet, incredibly, their abdominal skin and muscles contracted back to their pre-pregnancy state within a month or two (I'm not referring to celebrities, either. Just normal, health-conscious women that weren't overweight at the start of their pregnancies). Of course, it might very well be different if one has been quite overweight for a significant period of time, i.e., the skin could take longer to contract. I don't know for sure, though. (And, most men are probably a little more clueless or careless to the nuances of skin condition and care. In comparison to the majority of women, that is. Some men's normal could probably make a lot of women gasp in abject horror.)

As for the photos on Lyle McDonald's site, I don't believe he would resort to faking photos, or allowing them. I think he's better than that. Just my opinion.



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During a stressful time in a past summer I lost a minimum of 2 lbs per day for a strech of over 14 days from Swami.

The "maximum 2 lbs per week" and "weight loss that is too rapid" ideas sound like one-size-fits-all thinking.  What is slow weight loss to a Hunter or Explorer might be too rapid for a Warrior.

If you are more than 200 lbs overweight 2 lbs is pocket change.


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weight is what we make of it.. and if we eat right we serve a bigger purpose..

But at times it really matters.. I am super thrilled with my efforts.. I am getting slimmer in my waist even when I don't drop extra pounds.. but I am doing other stuff.. sometime that just is what needs to be done..

My friend bought Green tea stuff in the pharmacy to curb appetite and speed up metabolism.. I will try that next as well.. anything to get the extra few pounds off.. I have time, but every step is better than none...  


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Conor,

I do not really have the extra money to get the RFLH at this time but I appreciate you pointing me in that direction because it's not just weight I need to lose, it's abdominal fat... about 20 pounds of it! I used to pride myself on my washboard abs but a few years ago I got depressed and starting eating emotionally and it has taken its toll on my silhouette. Everyone from old friends to strangers on the street are asking me if I'm pregnant!!  

From what I have gathered about the RFLH, it's a high protein diet, but that's basically all I know. When I was losing 12 pounds a week on the BTD, I was eating about 2-4oz (or even 5oz) of beef, spaced out into tiny meals 5-6 times a day, loads of broccoli, 4L of water, and green tea as a treat. It worked wonders but after the third week I got frustrated and turned to avoids(for some odd reason,... because had I kept to it, I'd probably be my healthy weight of 135lbs today!).  

So basically, I am just wondering if you can explain the RFLH diet principles. I have the e-book in mind for my next online shopping spree, and I notice it is only available online. I'm more of a bricks and mortar bookstore goer because I spend so much time looking at the computer screen that I have come to a new appreciation of paperback reading time. A friend gave me a computer version of 50 Shades of Grey and I haven't even glanced at it yet for this reason.

Anything you can tell me about the RFLD is much appreciated!

Thanks.
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