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jayneeo
Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 3:34am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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If you don't have a gallbladder and you can't digest fat.......(that's a big "if")
cuz
I eat a lot of fat...I love fat and I don't have a gallbladder...what bad thing can happen due to not digesting the fat, if indeed I am not digesting it? (or am I on a great weight loss plan? not!)
I don't suffer any feeling of indigestion or anything negative when eating fat.
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Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 3:55am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I have no gallbladder and the first few years I used bile salts but then I felt it was perhaps not helping anymore and then I stopped. I can get very bloated but not all of the time. I get 6 TBS. oil and a 1 tsp. 2X daily of ghee. I find that sometimes I can't digest the fat even in lean cuts of beef.

A friend of mine had his out a year before me and any meal with fat goes through him, he always has to know where the washrooms are at all times and make a beeline for them. I must have thick bile because sometimes I get so congested and it is worse if constipated for even one day.

A few Explorers that I know who have no gallbladder suffer with much liver distress, myself included. The Gatherers that I know that have no gallbladders seem find and don't understand why those of us suffer so much.

The big thing with this is that you don't want to end up with fatty liver degeneration. I'm conscious of this, but you may not have that as a Gatherer. From what you've described you sound fine and I'm happy for you because the other is quite miserable at times.

I tried taking the Explorer supp for the liver but I had a lot of distress with it and then I thought I read somewhere on the blog that Dr. D'Adamo said those with no gallbladders should not take it. When trying to find this quote again I could not find it.
So if someone else is aware of this please confirm or correct me!

Presently, on Hepatiguard, feels a bit better with this.
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Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 4:03am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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how and why would this lead to fatty liver degeneration??? Isn't that from eating too  much fat? but if you can't digest it......?
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Yes, everything backs up but I would not worry about it for yourself. You would have bloating issues and feel the congestion in the liver. Kind of a pressure accompanies it as well.

I don't know how they test for fatty liver degeneration but I know that my friend was told by a doctor that she had it.
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Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 4:17am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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oh, thanks....I have felt something like that only when eating more than one strip of (natural, uncured) bacon.....    (which is rare cuz none of us can really have it!)
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Quoted from jayneeo
If you don't have a gallbladder and you can't digest fat.......(that's a big "if")
cuz
I eat a lot of fat...I love fat and I don't have a gallbladder...what bad thing can happen due to not digesting the fat, if indeed I am not digesting it? (or am I on a great weight loss plan? not!)
If you can't digest it, where does it go?
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Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 4:33am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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How about taking a lipase based digestive enzyme?



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Interesting, Lola, but doesn't seem to pertain to my question....in other words, what does undigested fat cause in the long term...if anything?

TJ, you may have the most accurate response...!

Victoria I have considered enzymes, but I can't tell if i need them or not....a curious matter.
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I would suggest from a lay persons point that ALL foods get digested, even fatty foods in your belly unless they would exit undigested.  I think from the above that the liver is the last resort cleanser as it will do something to help digest and absorb.. so the liver might have to work much harder to create some kind of balance.  but as long as you feel good and keep the OILS separate from heavy' fat I think you will be OK for a lot longer..

It is easy to forget why you took the gallbladder out... something was going to provide you with pain and suffering and possibly worse , intestinal infection.. THAT condition was avoided, but to some extent the potential problems are just kicked down the line= next stop liver, then kidneys... and so on..   What must be understood, like people with high blood pressure, just because you take a pill that brings the pressure down, the heart damage is still present.

So you asked what could happen?  1. that undigested foods come out of you like corn always does.. the same way it went in. 2. that eventually the intestines will not be happy and cause gas and smell. 3. the liver might get over stressed and develop thick skin that gets less playable as time goes on..

Having made all these predictions, I would ask you to have foods that are kind to you in the first place.. bacon is being kind to a 'spoiled brat' mind wanting avoids, while Beneficials will help your liver and all the systems below.. I see avoids mostly as stuff that will harm in many ways.. causing buildup in the intestinal walls, gumming up the works, narrowing the passage ways while enlarging the intestinal walls causing a big belly.  I see avoids like chicken as causing cancer possibilities, not so much if it would pass through quick, but 'avoids' lingering on longer inside creating possibilities of micro organisms to build up.. and then causing new issues..

How much fat or oils are you eating?  Oils might not matter, more of fats might.. why did you take out the gallbladder?   Health always goes down hill from the head on down.  At first we don't understand, then we do wrong things and then the intestines suffer.. the choices made sometimes only show up YEARS later..

NOW all this is just my thinking.. connecting dots as they say.  Mom had rectal and then colon cancer, and her earliest signs where constipation at first and then diarrhea (supposedly from 'help' years before it was detected..   so look out for changes in bathroom visits.. change matters.. it indicates that it is time to make changes..  hope this answers ..        


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Seeing how I am probably the most recent person here that has lost their gallbladder, I will share with you what I do when eating fats.

I use Enzymedica Digest Gold and Lipo Gold.  The Lipo Gold helps digest fats.  The Digest gold just helps with digestive enzymes.  You are still digesting some fats when the gallbladder is gone, it is just that there is no organ that will specifically empty out some bile when you eat fat.

Rather it is a random trickle of bile that just happens at random, so the Lipo Gold enzymes help that.  No  problems eating fats so far, but I do eat fats on my swami list.  I still get diarrhea eating most vegetables and I am not sure why.  There is an adjustment period when the gallbladder first comes out.

With my gallbladder out, I do not get pain when I eat grains like I did before.  So I am adding small amount of grains in about every other day.  Still can't eat them everyday or I will gain weight.  

Now that I am on antibiotics, my weight may fluctuate due to medications.  I just have to do the best I can.  Biggest problem I have is that I am not hungry most of the time.  Yet I am taking a medication to increase apppetite.  I have to make myself eat.  And if I don't do a great job of that, I gain weight or need to eat something light at night, which I usually never do.  All a learning experience.
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Lipo Gold is very good, I use it also. Still have my gall badder.


Gluten/Casein and Yeast sensitivity.
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Will check out this enzyme as I'm looking to replace the one I was using. Been wanting to do this for a while and now this info will save me time and the possibility of ordering something that doesn't work for me. Thanks.
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Lecithin--- one tablespoon a day--


http://www.gate2biotech.com/lecithin-found-to-have-beneficial-effects-on-fat-metabolism-1/



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Scientists at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis have identified a substance in the liver that helps process fat and glucose. That substance named phosphatidylcholine is a component of the common food additive lecithin, and researchers speculate it may one day be possible to use lecithin products to control blood lipids and reduce risk for diabetes, hypertension or cardiovascular disease using treatments delivered in food rather than medication.


  using food like medicine what a novel idea..


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interesting, Andrea!
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The liver makes bile, which helps you digest fat. The gallbladder stores bile until you need it.  When your gallbladder is removed, your liver continues to make bile, but ther's no longer any place to store it until it's needed, so the bile goes into the stomach pretty much right as it's made. In my  body, the gallbladder can store bile in between meals, then release the amount that's needed for the particular meal- releasing extra bile after a very fatty meal, or releasing only a small amount (saving it in case it's needed later) after a lowfat meal.

Without a gallbladder, you still CAN digest fat, but you need to be consistent with how much fat you eat at what time each day. This way your liver can create the amount of bile you need for the meal, as it's needed. The body is pretty adaptable, and your liver can adapt to make more or less bile depending on what your diet is typically like. By losing your gallbladder, you've lost a bit of flexibility. If you delay a meal or eat much more fat than usual at one meal, you won't be able to digest all of the fat since you have no place to store extra bile.


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Right. And so far, no complaint....and I eat a lot of fat since I am a pretty low carb eater...
oh, and, it is my understanding that the liver drops the bile into the small intestine, not the stomach.
I am just surprised that it all seems to work.
Lola...good thought!
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You may be right on the intestine thing- it's been a while since I reviews liver/gallbladder health information. I'm good at remembering general concepts but sometimes fuzzy on details.


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Funny...

I had my gallbladder out seven or so years ago due to a congenital deformity (ducts 1/3 the normal size to and from.) I also developed acute pancreatitis afterwards and needed an ERCP (was on TPN twice.)

I just received the results of my stool sample and my Elastase (pancreatic enzyme) is very low and I am eliminating all fats. My short chain fatty acids are very low as well, indicating malnutrition (I eat whole foods and pesticide-free food, as well as follow SWAMI.) This could be indicative of not having a gallbladder and not having that bolus of bile to expel and help digest fats and proteins - instead I have bile just dripping and hanging out in the stomach and intestines.

I have been told to take pancreatic enzymes and ox bile with meals to correct this.

Melissa


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I use Digest Gold Enzymedica enzymes plus their Lypo Gold to help digest fats.   Already had the all these problems you describe with digestion even with the gallbladder.  I guess we still have to address them.  Enzymes do help.
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