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Mickey
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I'm wondering if anyone knows or do they use different types in different brands?.  I'm just curious of how canned salmon would rate for me as a gatherer?.  I'm talking about the canned salmon that doesn't specify what type of salmon it is, i know you can get sockeye canned salmon but it usually specifies that it is sockeye.

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I'm wondering if anyone knows or do they use different types in different brands?.  I'm just curious of how canned salmon would rate for me as a gatherer?.  I'm talking about the canned salmon that doesn't specify what type of salmon it is, i know you can get sockeye canned salmon but it usually specifies that it is sockeye.

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Canned salmon is wild.  Can you have wild salmon?  That might cover all your bases.

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Canned salmon is wild.  


Some canned salmon is wild.


Other canned salmon is farm raised Atlantic salmon.

One brand of canned farm raised salmon commonly sold in the US is Kirkland.

I have not seen it yet, but as other species of Salmon like Coho are increasingly farm raised, they will probably start appearing in cans as well.


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If the can doesn't specify, it's most likely farm-raised salmon.

If you're following GTD, keep in mind that the "neutral" foods weren't printed up at all; just the beneficials and the avoids. So if you don't see "salmon, farmed" on your "avoid" list then you can assume it's neutral.

Clearly, the wild salmon is a lot healthier than the farmed salmon, but even farmed salmon is better than not getting enough fish and certainly better than not gettting enough animal protein.


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Yikes, I'm really bummed out.  I was under the impression that all canned salmon was wild!

Farmed salmon is scary.

http://www.ewg.org/reports/farmedpcbs


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Yikes, I'm really bummed out.  I was under the impression that all canned salmon was wild!



Nearly of the canned Salmon sold at grocery stores near me is at least wild caught ( Wild-caught Salmon is fish that may have been hatchery spawned fish that may have spent part of life cycle in a hatchery before being released).



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I was under the assumption that canned salmon is wild, well i thought it was until i read people's replies.

What i'm trying to get to though is what type of salmon (like chinook, etc...  i know there's other types but can't think of them right now) is in canned salmon.  I'm not asking so much whether it's wild or not, though it's good to know that not all of it is.  

BTW, i avoid farmed salmon since it doesn't have all the good omegas in it like the wild and they also are known to use food dyes to make the color look better.  


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BTW, If the can says wild salmon, i'm guessing that we can be assured that it is in fact wild salmon?.


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I've never even seen canned salmon that doesn't specify the species or whether or not it's wild-caught or farmed.  I wouldn't trust it if it doesn't specifically say "wild-caught".  As for the species, I've read that sockeye(red) and pink are the two most common to be canned.  Since salmon is a diamond for Gatherers and is a highly nutritious food, I would think canned salmon would be fine as long as it doesn't have anything in it except salmon.  There's the whole canned food issue, but salmon is still a good choice.


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Did you try looking at the brand's website - it might have a FAQs page with answers to your questions.


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I buy canned salmon at my natural food stores and the cans always specify the type of salmon.  I imagine you will have access to most of the same brands, in California.  West coast is a good place to find good quality salmon.



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BTW, If the can says wild salmon, i'm guessing that we can be assured that it is in fact wild salmon?.


I would think so. The producer of the wild product are probably charging a higher price and want the customer to know they are getting the better product .Labeling is regulated along those lines, Clover Leaf actually has "Alaska Wild Caught" imprinted on the top of the can.

You can assume any canned Atlantic is farmed, You may be able to get wild from a fish vendor on the East coast but there is no large commercial wild fish production at this point.

If not noted it will be Atlantic as it farms better. Saw some canned Salmon from China recently in a bright red can. Brand name was, and I am not kidding "Casino".  






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Do I have this straight?

If a can says "wild caught"....it's possible the salmon weren't naturally raised in the wild.

Doesn't mean the salmon were always wild fish.  If salmon started out life in a controlled
environment and were at some point released into the wild....allowed to swim until they were caught, what these fish were fed in their controlled environment is likely equivalent to
the same conditions as farmed fish.  

I think if the can says "wild salmon" then it's trustworthy....but "wild caught" might be open to interpretation.


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Do I have this straight?

If a can says "wild caught"....it's possible the salmon weren't naturally raised in the wild.

Doesn't mean the salmon were always wild fish.  If salmon started out life in a controlled
environment and were at some point released into the wild....allowed to swim until they were caught, what these fish were fed in their controlled environment is likely equivalent to
the same conditions as farmed fish.  

I think if the can says "wild salmon" then it's trustworthy....but "wild caught" might be open to interpretation.


Shaking my head here.    I'm so tired of deceit.  Really tired of it.  And I suppose it is only going to get worse.  I hope that is not the case, Chloe.  I've been buying cans of salmon that say "Wild Caught Alaskan Salmon" on the cans (at least I think it says wild caught, not just wild).  Actually, I don't eat canned salmon as often as I do sardines.
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This is from 2006, but there seems to be a lot of deception in this industry.

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA400062

And this says "wild caught" is very similar to wild salmon, but still, these fish were spawned in hatcheries.
And obviously the mother fish was fed farmed fish food....as were the babies until they were released.

http://www.ehow.com/about_6589030_difference-salmon-wild-caught-salmon.html

What concerns me is that in order to rush up these baby fish so they're large enough to be released
into the wild, are they fed growth hormones in the hatcheries?  We'll probably never know...


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Well, thank you for the heads up anyway.  Staying on top of what is and is not safe to eat is a full time job.
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Actually, I don't eat canned salmon as often as I do sardines.

I've been eating sardines but costco stopped carrying the ones i liked.  They equaled out to be around $1.60 a can and they were in olive oil.  I really liked them and the price, i looked at trader joe's and they had a similiar one but it was about a $1.00 more a can.  That's when i decided that maybe it would be better if i start eating canned salmon, plus it seems to be alittle less expensive than sardines.  


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All this salmon talk made me think about a news report my local news did on fish.  They tested alot of different fish that you get at fish counters to see if they were actually what they said they were, a good amount of them were not even what they stated they were.  This has me wondering if the frozen wild salmon i buy which is from China is actually salmon!.  


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This has me wondering if the frozen wild salmon i buy which is from China is actually salmon!.  


Most of the fish that I think you could pass off as Salmon are actually reltated to Salmon(Arctic Char, Steelhead trout, Rainbow trout, ...). But I have no expertise.

I am more worried about chemical contamination of Chinese Salmon (some Internet stuff suggest I should be concerend with radiation, but I have not seen any measurements indicating this is an issue)


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Mickey, I think you asked a legitimate question re: which type of salmon. I'm not sure if you have done SWAMI but since you're also an O nonnie, I can share with you what I get on my SWAMI. Both chinook and sockeye are diamonds, whereas wild Atlantic is a superfood. I think both chinook and sockeye are from Alaska/West coast of N. American continent. My source is Wild Planet. They do sell wild salmon, not wild-caught. The info on their website explains how their fish is caught. It is very hard for me to get good quality/fresh salmon here so I rely on canned salmon. Sometimes I get canned sockeye from Canada. I have also tried pink salmon but it doesn't taste as good and it's not rated on my SWAMI, so I'd rather give it a pass.

Yesterday I ordered 2 dozen cans from Wild Planet and the shipping to Asia is going to be so expensive. But it would cost the same if I buy them in the stores here. I wanted to stock up for a few months coz eventually the salmons from Alaskan are likely to be contaminated with radiation from Fukushima, and it seems that the FDA does not want to test them for safety.   Currently all the fish in the stock at Wild Planet were caught prior to the incident.

I would not trust frozen salmon from China




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Just noticed in the health food store that all the cans of sardines say "wild caught".  Not "wild".

Wondering how those little babies began their lives...in hatcheries or really in the wild.


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Do farmed sardines cost less really as it is a very abundant fish at least in the Mediterranean, where Italy insists?
Fresh in the market they sell it as a very cheap fish. Hope they are really wild Chloe, but ....it is a crazy world and a dirtiest business


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Just noticed in the health food store that all the cans of sardines say "wild caught".  Not "wild".

Wondering how those little babies began their lives...in hatcheries or really in the wild.


I am pretty sure that Sardines would be wild bred as they are rather cheap and therefor not at all scarce. I live hundreds of miles from the east coast and get a can (84 gm. drained) for less than a dollar. Also they are a rather small fish and they would be pretty well adults before it was time to release them.

Hatcheries are designed to boost fish populations. Has been done for years in the Great Lakes area to replenish game fish. Since the mortality rate of tiny fish is very high releasing a larger version can expand the population.

Checked my canned fish collection. Most say nothing about 'wild'. Two said simply 'wild' (1 Tuna, ! Salmon), None 'wild caught'. May be an unregulated term.   ???

Also balletomane. Good idea to stock up, I think. Have done it myself. The nuclear story seems to have vanished from the media and I doubt anyone is keeping track of effects on fish.

Finally I think wild Atlantic Salmon may be finished as a commercial species. Read a story recently wher rebuilding numbers has hit problems because the water temperatures in the spawning rivers is rising thus reducing the success of hatching.





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I think just regular salmon.  Some has salt or bones in it; I've found the higher priced red salmon to be good though I think I buy pink also.  
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OMG, i really opened a can of worms didn't i!.  

It's just a sad case of affairs when we consumers have to put up with the corrupt food industry!!!.  Don't get me started cuz i could go on!.  Just when i think i've got this labeling thing figured out it turns out things are not what they appear.  


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