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Today I went to an informational seminar on heavy metals detoxification and chelation therapy.  I brought up the fact that cilantro was a great chelator and the doctor recommended that I NOT use cilantro or cilantro pesto until most of the metals have been detoxed from the body as it can cross the blood brain barrier and the metals can lodge in the brain.   There was one other thing he said can do this, but I did not write it down.  Sorry about that . . .  

I thought I would post this as many people on this forum recommended cilantro pesto for heavy metals detox.  What I learned today is that it is important to do this with someone who really knows what they are doing.  Heavy metals detox can cause serious problems without the proper guidance of a professional who knows what they are doing.  

I hope those of you who recommended cilantro pesto will not be offended that I posted this.  I am posting with the best of intentions . . .  I made the cilantro pesto and have been using it (it is delicious) but will freeze it until I have been through the detox/chelation therapy.


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all advice given here is preventive, not to be taken as therapeutically per se

like medication or other......always consult your Dr

it is written as a disclaimer.......


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Patty - What was the name of the person giving the seminar? It would be failry easy to suss them out.


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Patty - What was the name of the person giving the seminar? It would be failry easy to suss them out.


Not sure what you mean, policychecker, about sussing him out . . .

He is an M.D. who practices functional medicine and specializes in heavy metals chelation/detoxification.  Without using his name, here is his professional information.  I am quite confident in his professional expertise, if that is what you are asking. Here is his information quoted from the website of the clinic with which he is associated, with all names and dates removed.

Quoted Text

Board Certification:
American Board of Family Medicine
American Board of Holistic Medicine

Degree(s):
Dartmouth College, BA, Biology
Columbia University, MD

Significant Internships, Residencies, Fellowships:
Family Medicine Residency, Providence Hospital, Seattle, Wa.

Areas of Expertise:
Functional Medicine, Detoxification, Preventative Medicine, Holistic and Integrative Medicine, Nutritional Medicine

Professional Associations:
Institute for Functional Medicine, Teaching faculty affiliations with Tufts University School of Medicine, University of Massachusetts School of Medicine, and University of Vermont School of Medicine

NAME REMOVED completed his undergraduate education at Dartmouth College. Columbia University was the site of his MD degree. Postgraduate training in a family medicine residency program in Seattle, Washington.

Board certified in family medicine, and became board certified in holistic medicine. His medical training has included time spent on Native American reservations and in war-torn Guatemala.

For twenty years NAME REMOVED has practiced the full scope of family medicine in Latino community health centers in Massachusetts and Washington. Prior to joining the staff at NAME OF CLINIC REMOVED, NAME REMOVED spent five years working in an integrative health center in Vermont.

NAME REMOVED also maintains an active presence in the academic medical community. He is the Director of Outpatient Medicine and the Associate Director of the Integrative Medicine Fellowship at the NAME OF CLINIC REMOVED. He holds faculty teaching appointments at Tufts University, the University of Massachusetts, and the University of Vermont schools of medicine.


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http://www.healthdiaries.com/eatthis/cilantro-chelation-therapy-heavy-metal-detox.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8914687?dopt=AbstractPlus

I'm no expert but my first impression from the wensite of your doctor and the marketing is not good for your MD. that is not to say he is wrong of course, I'll certainly read more on the subject however where is his researchon this.






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Cilantro is not mention on the website once although in the attached bistro they sell a pesto. lol

anyway i emailed him and asked him for some links to research on cilantro.

if it's not a scare tactic then i would like to know about it.


by the way i read that "No more thimerosal-containing vaccines. By 2002, all US vaccines will be thimerosal-free. Until then, ask for thimerosal-free vaccines. For almost every possible vaccine given, there is at least one brand that does not contain thimerosal." is this true, it's still in the UK vaccines.



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reading more some dentists say that the cilantro frees up the mercury but allows it to circulate through the body. and that it need to bind to something else.


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I'm confused here, policychecker - who did you email and what website are you talking about?

He said exactly what was said in the first link you provided - that cilantro crosses the blood-brain barrier.  He is not saying not to eat cilantro, but to wait until the amalgam and most of the metals have been removed or to eat it under the direction of an expert.  He was also not saying it needed to be avoided altogether, but that it should be consumed in moderation until the amalgam has been removed.  Maybe you misunderstood what I was saying.  I have extremely high levels of mercury and lead and do not feel that this is something I should do on my own, without the direction of an expert.

Is this your area of expertise?


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No, not an expert,  not at all Patty but an area of interest and i have been researching it for a while now as in years. fallen out with a few dentist and oral surgeon friends in the process.

Your original post did confuse me "the doctor recommended that I NOT use cilantro or cilantro pesto until most of the metals have been detoxed from the body as it can cross the blood brain barrier and the metals can lodge in the brain.

as since cilantro is proven to take the mercury out of the brain. the above would be incorrect.

on another note this site is interesting too but it's all FYI kind regards

What I didn't know at the time was that I am personally more sensitive to composite fillings than mercury. They are estrogenic and the lidocaine is a carcinogen so I eventually realised that people with cavities and/or mercury-sensitivity are caught between a rock and a hard place.  This said, there are biocompatility tests that help people to determine which substances are most suitable for them, but all these tests do raise the cost of dental work.

http://www.kitchendoctor.com/herbs/cilantro.php


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I email Robert Luby.


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I email Robert Luby.


How did you get his name and why are you emailing him?  I really wanted to keep his name confidential and would have prefered that you PM me.  I would have assumed that my removing his name and the name of all of his places of work would have indicated that I was not wanting to discuss the credentials of a specific individual, just that the individual I saw yesterday is qualified.

I am talking to two other people who do heavy metals detox and chelation therapy as well.  Please don't make any reference to me.  I would prefer that he not think I am shopping his expertise and credentials around on the internet.

By the way, the dental clinic he is associated with is one of the few in my area that have expertise in mercury amalgam removal.  You may not like their website, but I got their name from Chloe on the forum here who posted this link of a dentist who has a list of individuals qualified to do this type of work:

http://www.dentalwellness4u.com/freeservices/find_dentists.html

This looked like a great place to start and Groton Wellness is one of the only places close to my home.


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I wasn't aware it was secret, just becasue you removed his name!

Patty why in the world would you think i would mention your name?

too much drama




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I wasn't aware it was secret, just becasue you removed his name!

Patty why in the world would you think i would mention your name?

too much drama




Policychecker, I do not think the purpose of this forum is to try to discredit a reputable doctor who specializes in a particular field.

And while I appreciate your offer of help to "suss" out a particular health practitioner, I didn't ask for help.  I merely posted a thread that people should be careful before they attempt mercury chelation therapy with cilantro pesto without the help of a qualified professional.

No drama intended or felt on my part.


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I think it is good that you are getting this part of your life handled Patty. I am a big fan of chelation therapy when it's done with a good doctor.

Please let us know of your progress.
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This is a good post, as most of us are trying to detox. I went to one of my favorite websites and looked up and found something that might be good to try:
Detox Juice Recipe
Posted By Dr. Ben Kim Healthy Beverages Full Body Cleanse Recipes
A freshly pressed vegetable juice that is meant to stimulate the elimination of toxins from your body should have the following properties:

1. The ability to encourage movement of waste products through your intestines.

2. The ability to encourage your digestive organs to release digestive juices that can help to optimally break down recently ingested food.

3. The ability to draw toxins out of your tissues.

With these properties in mind, here is one of the most effective detox juice recipes that I know of:

Artichoke, Cilantro, and Radish Detox Juice Recipe

Ingredients:

4 Jerusalem artichokes
2 handfuls of fresh cilantro
4 radishes
3 carrots
1 tablespoon of green food powder that contains chlorella

Directions:

Use a juicer to press all ingredients except green food powder into a vegetable juice.

Combine juice and green food powder in a bottle with a secure lid and shake well for 10 or more seconds. Enjoy within an hour of making this effective detox juice.

Notes:

Jerusalem artichokes are rich in the soluble fiber inulin, which is known to encourage healthy bowel function.
Cilantro and chlorella are regularly recommended by many health practitioners, myself included, for purposes of detoxification.
Radishes are known to stimulate the release of bile from the gall bladder. Bile is needed for optimal digestion of fat.


Gluten/Casein and Yeast sensitivity.
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It's been widely discussed that cilantro can help people detox mercury; you came here with an alternative claim (that cilantro can be dangerous for people with high mercury) and didn't really share the source for this information. You shared enough information to say "I trust the person who gave me this information and here's why I trust him" but you didn't give us enough information to evaluate the claim for ourselves. A link to an article your dentist showed you is the kind of proof that we'd find useful; just his claim that it's unsafe (without even telling us his name so we can research his statements) wasn't exactly helpful.

It probably would have been better if you hadn't shared the information about your dentist with his name removed; that seemed to invite somebody seeking him out further (which is what PC did; I see this as an effort to further evaluate the claim that cilantro is dangerous, not as anything disrespectful to you or your dentist.)

I'm glad you have somebody working with you directly to deal with your heavy metal detox. If I was working with somebody indivually like that, I'd follow his or her advice too. But since I'm currently muddling through on my own, I would appreciate some more sources so I can do my own research.


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I am interested in all info and experiences!
I am dealing with amalgam fillings, medical x-rays, c-scans, and a cell phone tower so I eat cilantro, parsley and lots of leafy greens on an almost daily basis!
I would like to know the latest research,etc.


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I feel that Patty is getting excellent advise and sharing it with us! We can always learn. I went thru a heavy metal detox at one time under the care of a doctor (chiropractor) and I am grateful that it worked and rapidly too. My doctor said his treatment , which included chlorella, cilantro, etc. relied on high dose fish oil to remove the toxins from the body through the bloodstream, where the chelation herbs were dumping it.....for whatever that's worth...
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I feel that Patty is getting excellent advise and sharing it with us! We can always learn. I went thru a heavy metal detox at one time under the care of a doctor (chiropractor) and I am grateful that it worked and rapidly too. My doctor said his treatment , which included chlorella, cilantro, etc. relied on high dose fish oil to remove the toxins from the body through the bloodstream, where the chelation herbs were dumping it.....for whatever that's worth...


That's an interesting protocol.
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It's been widely discussed that cilantro can help people detox mercury; you came here with an alternative claim (that cilantro can be dangerous for people with high mercury) and didn't really share the source for this information. You shared enough information to say "I trust the person who gave me this information and here's why I trust him" but you didn't give us enough information to evaluate the claim for ourselves. A link to an article your dentist showed you is the kind of proof that we'd find useful; just his claim that it's unsafe (without even telling us his name so we can research his statements) wasn't exactly helpful.

It probably would have been better if you hadn't shared the information about your dentist with his name removed; that seemed to invite somebody seeking him out further (which is what PC did; I see this as an effort to further evaluate the claim that cilantro is dangerous, not as anything disrespectful to you or your dentist.)

I'm glad you have somebody working with you directly to deal with your heavy metal detox. If I was working with somebody indivually like that, I'd follow his or her advice too. But since I'm currently muddling through on my own, I would appreciate some more sources so I can do my own research.


Ruthie, I think if you read my original post, you will see that I was merely putting out a warning about trying to detox on your own with cilantro pesto.  I never said that "cilantro can be dangerous for people with high mercury."   I did state that I went to an informational seminar on heavy metals detoxification and chelation therapy.  I did state it was a doctor (not dentist) who shared the information about cilantro pesto crossing the blood-brain barrier.  You also supposedly quoted me by writing with quotation marks, "I trust the person who gave me this information and here's why I trust him"  I never said this, but the way you posted using quotation marks implies I did.  I think it is important to not misquote people.

He did not give us any specific articles or share links with us at the seminar - I specifically asked him about cilantro pesto and he recommended that cilantro pesto and the other thing I can't remember be used with great care.  I was surprised that PC would email a doctor he doesn't know about this.  Since I am the one who asked the doctor about the cilantro pesto, he may wonder why someone is emailing him the day after the seminar specifically about cilantro.  

I think if you or anyone else had further interest in chelation therapy and cilantro pesto crossing the blood-brain barrier, it would be easy to search on the internet, which is what I hoped people would do - do the research for themselves.

Once again, I was not asking if people thought the information was correct or whether the doctor  was qualified.  And then I did post his credentials without his name or his places of employment.  I removed his name because I did not want to discuss the qualifications of an particular MD on this site.  He is more than qualified to do what he is doing, so I didn't feel I needed to post his name.  I did my homework to find three qualified individuals from whom to choose for the chelation therapy.  Unless someone is in Massachusetts and is looking for a qualified individual to help with chelation therapy, I have no idea why anyone would feel the need to try to figure out who I saw.  That is my personal business.  Also, that personal certainly could have PM'd me if they were looking for qualified practitioners and I would have been more than happy to share the names of the three individual I am deciding between.

Let's be honest.  Many of the people posting on this forum, including myself, are not health care practitioners.  I have seen a lot of advice posted here that goes directly against some of Dr. D's advice.  Just because advice represents an "alternative claim" to what has been previously posted on this forum doesn't mean it is invalid, incorrect or worthy of consideration.  Aren't we here to learn?   I, for one, know that I certainly have a lot to learn.


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I think it is good that you are getting this part of your life handled Patty. I am a big fan of chelation therapy when it's done with a good doctor.

Please let us know of your progress.


Thank you for your support, Mark.  I go for my first dental appointment later this month, so I will have a better handle on that part of the process soon.  Depending upon how long it takes for the amalgam removal, I assume I will start the chelation therapy sometime late this year or early next year.


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Lin, are you trying to detox from anything specific?  Have you had a heavy metals urine test?


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I am interested in all info and experiences!
I am dealing with amalgam fillings, medical x-rays, c-scans, and a cell phone tower so I eat cilantro, parsley and lots of leafy greens on an almost daily basis!
I would like to know the latest research,etc.


Cajun, I would love to hear about your progress and the process if you are interested in sharing info here.  I have a large benign cyst on my left lung and am also dealing with CT scans and MRI's and the residual gadolinium.  Since early April, I have had two CT scans, two MRI's and a PET scan.  I have my next CT scan scheduled for October.

I will need an entire set of dental x-rays before any of the amalgam fillings can be removed.

Are you considering getting some professional help with the detox process?  

Best of luck.


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I feel that Patty is getting excellent advise and sharing it with us! We can always learn. I went thru a heavy metal detox at one time under the care of a doctor (chiropractor) and I am grateful that it worked and rapidly too. My doctor said his treatment , which included chlorella, cilantro, etc. relied on high dose fish oil to remove the toxins from the body through the bloodstream, where the chelation herbs were dumping it.....for whatever that's worth...


Thank you, Jayneeo.  I think that might be the issue with cilantro pesto.  I think he might have been implying that when it crosses the blood-brain barrier to attach to heavy metals, it needs to have a way out of the brain as well.  Once the chelator has attached to the heavy metal, it needs to find its way out of the body using something like high dose fish oil or something else, as part of the chelation process.  As I understand it, it can be removed through the urine, fecal matter or sweat, utilizing the liver, the kidneys or the skin.  Maybe I am wrong about that, but he implied that if one has a weak liver and kidney, as one of the participants said was a particular concern, he can be sure to direct the heavy metals out through the sweat.  It was a very minimal discussion about cilantro in an hour and a half long seminar.  He asked if anyone knew about things that are good for detoxing and I mentioned cilantro pesto.  I was very impressed with him.  He seems quite knowledgeable and caring.  Every question asked was answered with care and concern.  He spent a lot of time (for free) helping us to understand what the process entails.  The other two practitioners would also be excellent, but he is both an MD and certified in holistic health care, and I like that.

Any other information you would like to share about your detox would be greatly appreciated.


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