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Gina
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Why is coffee on type O avoid list? I know I need to avoid it, but what is the reasoning behind it??? Please advise.


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coffee in Os or other BT/GTs for who it s an avoid, may experience an insulin mimicking effect.

brings on sugar cravings in many as well.....to each their own.....individuality is what we are all in search of here, and Dr D has many biochemical answers

adrenal exertion in others.....etc

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Quoted from Lola
coffee in Os or other BT/GTs for who it s an avoid, may experience an insulin mimicking effect.

brings on sugar cravings in many as well.....to each their own.....individuality is what we are all in search of here, and Dr D has many biochemical answers

adrenal exertion in others.....etc

find out more using the search window


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Increases stomach acid levels in O's..

Why not find something new to drink? i know loads of people really like yerba mate tea.


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That has got to be tough for O's.  I still have not really determined if it is beneficial for me or not as an A explorer.  

For O's and some others, it seems to cause irritation to tissues from what i read.  Can increase inflammation.  It seems to irritate my throat even when it is room temperature.  The caffeine is likely not good for me

The only people who really benefit from coffee are probably warriors and teachers, which are A based types.

There are plenty of alternatives!!
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Switch to chicory, make it just like your coffee.  Strong unfiltered Coffee was responsible for raising my sister's cholesterol. She's also an O.


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Coffee will me my last avoid to go... by October 1st is my goal.
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I am usually ok with drinking my yerba mate tea, but I am really missing my coffee this morning during the hurricane.  Is chicory ok for O's?  I can't find it on my SWAMI.


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Patty, chicory is listed under "live foods" on my swami.  I get chicory as a diamond and chicory root as a black dot.  

Anyone know the difference between the 2?  My New Orleans style coffee I have in the cabinet (that I miss terribly) lists chicory as the 2nd ingredient.  Wonder if that's root or leaves or ???.  Not that I'm planning to drink any    
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Patty, chicory is listed under "live foods" on my swami.  I get chicory as a diamond and chicory root as a black dot.  

Anyone know the difference between the 2?  My New Orleans style coffee I have in the cabinet (that I miss terribly) lists chicory as the 2nd ingredient.  Wonder if that's root or leaves or ???.  Not that I'm planning to drink any    


Thank you so much!  They are the exact same on my SWAMI.  I was looking under spices and beverages.

I would love to find a real coffee substitute, so I would love to hear what the difference is as well.


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coffee in Os or other BT/GTs for who it s an avoid, may experience an insulin mimicking effect.

Lola,
For gatherer's coffee is a black dot.  I'm wondering why this would be the case if gatherer's are prone to insulin resistance .  Does resetting our gene's make us less prone to the insulin mimicking effect of coffee?.

Muchos Gracias!


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WHY NOT try for O's --dark chocolate.. for sweet yearnings...

Why not try cocoa in hot water.. it worked for me not to miss coffee any more.. I still have real coffee for headaches as it works better then pills..

we are all addicts since it is a way to keep the body going froward.. it took me 19 years to get done with caffeine..

Now when I -reallly seldom - have a cup of decaf- I am fine..

but I am certain it made me wanting many other = should not be looking for foods.. avoids or not does not matter, when I look for something it is annoying.. cocoa and choc seems to really help that ..

ADDICTIONS are a mental journey to give it up, but a physical need /right or wrong/ until you find a replacement is hard to come by.. keep searching for what works for you..  


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WHY NOT try for O's --dark chocolate.. for sweet yearnings...

Why not try cocoa in hot water.. it worked for me not to miss coffee any more.. I still have real coffee for headaches as it works better then pills..

we are all addicts since it is a way to keep the body going froward.. it took me 19 years to get done with caffeine..

Now when I -reallly seldom - have a cup of decaf- I am fine..

but I am certain it made me wanting many other = should not be looking for foods.. avoids or not does not matter, when I look for something it is annoying.. cocoa and choc seems to really help that ..

ADDICTIONS are a mental journey to give it up, but a physical need /right or wrong/ until you find a replacement is hard to come by.. keep searching for what works for you..  


I know Lola said that coffee can make some crave more sweets, but it never had that affect on me.  In fact, drinking coffee made me less hungry, not more hungry.  Since I have given it up, my BS has gone up, not down . . .


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I know Lola said that coffee can make some crave more sweets, but it never had that affect on me.  In fact, drinking coffee made me less hungry, not more hungry.  Since I have given it up, my BS has gone up, not down . . .

Patty H,
Again it's an individual thing.  


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Coffee increases stomach acid production, something most O's don't need too
much help with


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Type O’s avoid caffeine and alcohol. Caffeine can be particularly harmful because of its tendency to raise adrenaline and noradrenaline, which are already high for Type O’s

LR4YT on page 137 it is written that all
    forms of Coffee increase stomach acid production, something most O's don't need too
    much help with, if the stomach is working properly.
about caffeine for type O in LR4YT on page 169-70. The short version is it is not recommended.
coffee raises your adrenaline levels (stress) which can cause a hypoglycemic effect in O's because our adrenaline levels are high (flight or fight) to begin with especially if you do not exercise regularly.
    increased cortisol which increases intra abdominal fat. coffee-elevates cortisol levels which promotes fat storage.

    [quote]mimics insulin resistance hypoglycemia or some sort of blood sugar issue
    Crashing and burning and then...Starting to crave carbohydrates messes w/ the adrenal glands hypertension. Also it causes excess acidity leading to acid reflux.



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with temper issues, with mood issues, with BS issues, being O .. I mean what else is there to say..

yes coffee is nice.. it took me 19 years to give it up.. headaches and all.. but in the end if I am not willing to at least try to hear new info why bother to discuss it?

I love coffee I drank it every which way, and it never affected me badly, other then burn out my nerves, stress my intestines and many other things like sleep, like less room for water and many others..

I am not even saying that you need to give it up.. I could not no matter how much I gave it up.. BUT i tried and that is what I am suggesting.. if change is what you look for then change is what has to happen.  your body is stressed in so many ways yet you are not able to see the need for big changes... I KNOW giving up dairy is A BIG change, less sugar IS A big change, but you see that is only the first step.. the hard work comes after you stop poisoning your body.. the endurance is in changing the way you think act and feel emotionally.. and physically.. IT takes time to absorb even what I say and what 10 others are saying, and it takes great trust to believe Drud.. but I would bet that if you give this a consideration LONG TERM you will heal from the inside out..  

the numbers are strange, but then what else is going on?  family history is a great indicator for what might be.. I am only happy that I had 20 years in which to change my ways to avoid diabetes.. I am not certain that my last diet effort changed it, but if it did then I am very happy even though I really had to change me in a big way..  If i succeeded then great if not then I will start again and try again.. for my life that is all I can do and that is what I suggest to you..

this way of life is not about quick fixes, not about a pill but longer term exchanges of one molecule and one cell at a time.. you have time.. years.. relax.. wait.. give the system a chance to work..

Reading the books really helps.. all have lists but it is not about the list it is about the stuff in between..      


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Here's what I don't understand.  If O nonnies don't have the same amount of stomach acid, and in fact their stomach acid is quite low, why is coffee a problem for O nonnies.  I can understand why it is a problem for O secretors, but I don't understand why it is a problem for O nonnies.


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Patty .. have you read the books? that is important.. there is much info to put together..

O's have enough stomach acid for what is good for us.. A's have enough stomach acid for what is good for them..

O's are not meant to drink charcoal for breakfast, and A's are not meant to brush their teeth with meat sauce..

having some fun here, so you can see what I mean..  

THE food that are good for O's is in any of the books.. Whether YOU or I are able to change from one day to the other is NOT the issue.. you may want to keep drinking coffee, while, A's might want to continue to eat meat - for a while.. YES we all have our threshold of what we are willing to give up or when.. I am not certain that giving it up is one issue, not understanding why is a much bigger one..

NOT wanting to follow blindly and give up all sorts of foods for a time is important, but understanding WHY is a different discussion.. O's have indeed enough stomach acid.. they don't need to have any more, and coffee has little to do with that, other then activating all sorts of body issues that are basically not good for us.

You could ask the same QUESTION about any beans.. certain ones we just don't do well with.. and that is basically all we normal humans need to consider and then IF WE CHOOSE to eat or drink something not good for us, then we don't need to do anything other then accept our selves for whatever follows..

Some add sugars when they have Coffee, strong and ready to go on Monday morning to take apart the world and start putting it back together every day.. while others, learn to get up and smell the flowers along the way.  The REASONS of why what and so on is of no importance.. The tycoons say they need to do what they do, while eventually they get sick and make room for another behind him or her...

Knowing that coffee is not good because it interferes with your development of many body fluids starting in the throat, down the hatch, then the gallbladder needing to respond, then the liver needing to dump stuff to neutralize it, the pancreas having to do extra work..never mind all the processes that are needed to get the stuff poured out of you and keep you going, all the wile the brain nerve centers are busy directing traffic while trying to balance the stuff that is 'poisoning' your mind and body function..  Every gland gets involved trying to process what we put into it, every cell that is preoccupied with foods that are not good for them, need to expend much more energy in defense of short term thinking and acting on it.  I know becasue with diabetes you can see what sugars do to the body in near record time - every time!

Thinking about EACH food, or drink item -- ice cream, coffee ice cream - I can make all sort of excuses for having it, but in the end I need to decide how sick I wish to be, for its sugar, fat, flavor triggering my addiction, its acid, its slowing my digestion for the other ingredients in coffee, the roasted parts, and so on.. I have to accept that I will never know what harm it does.. but I do know it will .. so it is with coffee lattee or any name we give it..

All the reasons of why we should not have it are spelled out in all the books.. It pays to read all the front pages and all the other pages and always the O pages as they tell you why we O's are quick tempered, quick to pic up new habits, slow giving them up and forever doing battle with our own health..

That is indeed the answer to your question, or I could have said.. it is the opposite .. we have more then enough acid.. but that is a minute part of the story.. patience is one such item affecting us big time, time to learn is another.. give your self time.. the results of feeling better one food at a time, will show and tell more then all the words..  

By the way there where many of the same questions already posted and answered on the use of coffee, you might have seen them in search.. and seen how hard it is for everyone to get it that coffee is a bean roasted and charred, to which we add all sorts of stuff to make it delish, and wash down that desserts so that we can feel - spell it backward .. stressed..    


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My Mom is an O and she won't give up coffee.  She has lots of stomach acid issues.  Of course she is taking all kinds of medications that are making it worse, but I can't reason with her at all.  My brothers who are managing her care, buy into all the big pharma decisions that her doctors make so I have no  influence there either.  
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Why is coffee "avoid" but Green Tea is a "beneficial"? They both have caffeine?


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Why is coffee "avoid" but Green Tea is a "beneficial"? They both have caffeine?

Obviously, the modification of disease susceptibility is for the worse in Type O people...
TYPE O:Secretor:
AVOID: Contains component which can modify known disease susceptibility.

Non Secretor:
AVOID: Contains component which can modify known disease susceptibility.


Green Tea is beneficial for the reasons shown...  More information is widely available on the web for these terms...

TYPE O:Secretor:
BENEFICIAL: Contains component which either blocks polyamine synthesis or lowers indican levels.

Non Secretor:
BENEFICIAL: Contains component which either blocks polyamine synthesis or lowers indican levels.

    * This food is Cancer SUPERBENEFICIAL for Type O




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Can someone please answer my question? The last response was more someone showing off than being helpful. I am type O. Why is coffee a no no but green tea is a beneficial???


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Can someone please answer my question? The last response was more someone showing off than being helpful. I am type O. Why is coffee a no no but green tea is a beneficial???

According to LR4YT, pg.160:  "Type Os derive some benefit from green tea.  It contains polyphenols that block the production of harmful polyamines."

LR4YT, pg. 162: "Avoid coffee, etc..., all of which can provoke GERD by increasing stomach acid."


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Patty, chicory is listed under "live foods" on my swami.  I get chicory as a diamond and chicory root as a black dot.  

Anyone know the difference between the 2?  My New Orleans style coffee I have in the cabinet (that I miss terribly) lists chicory as the 2nd ingredient.  Wonder if that's root or leaves or ???.  


It is the root that is used to make coffee substitutes. The root is roasted and ground in order to  make the coffee substitute. There is no caffeine in chicory.



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As an A+ secretor Warrior who should be able to love his coffee and it be a diamond for him, I had to meet the truth head on... I am caffeine sensitive.  Green Tea has a much more therapeutic effect on me.  Coffee charges me up more, makes me more "Rah! Rah! Let's go!!" than green tea.  I sweat under my arms when I drink coffee, which looks pretty awful when you want to look professional.  I can execute tasks at the office quicker and be more mentally alert while on coffee.  But, my job, which I've been at for 26 years and ready to retire from in 4, can *ahem* bite the big one.  I *used* to think that I had to be a freight train getting things done left and right at the speed of light, not so much any more.  Now, it is chamomile tea and chamomile tincture all day long, and a smile on my face.  I would use coffee as a crutch for more energy, but it is just a quick fix, and a poor one at that, the excess caffeine just gives me too much stress.  I think as I lose more weight by sticking with my SWAMI and exercise more, I will get energy, the good kind of energy.
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