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Kim
Sunday, August 21, 2011, 2:45pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I am taking Bromelain for digestion and inflammation.  I can't take more than 2-3 without getting headaches.  I need something else to help with digestion but can't take Betaine HCL as it causes stomach pain even in the smallest dose.

Can anyone suggest a plant based digestive enzyme?  I used Vitalzym for a few months before and didn't get any benefit from this very expensive proteolytic enzyme.  

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I would advise not supplementing with digestive enzymes on a continuous basis (except when a medical diagnosis has been made that your body lacks the ability to produce a certain enzyme). Otherwise, your body might start producing less and less enzymes by itself.

Best is to normally not use enzymes and just follow the diet plan, and then only supplement with e.g. Bromelain when taking relatively heavy meals; for example when you have a very large meal, or when you ate meat or something hard to digest as an A.

just my 2 cents..
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I've used this one Kim since I learned I was suffering from malabsorption:  http://www.iherb.com/Enzymedica-Digest-Gold-Enzymes-120-Capsules/3612?at=0 I'm sensitive to many things, but no problems with this. It is plant based. I hope you feel better.
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It is my understanding that only animal-derived enzymes can cause dependency because they are so similar to human enzymes, but plant-based enzymes are dissimilar enough that dependency is not a problem.

I currently use digestive enzymes formulated by my doctor, but I used to use these and really liked them (they do contain bromelain)
http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-.....gb&utm_medium=f3


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I've been using Enzymedica, Digest Gold Enzymes and Lypo Gold.  I was having trouble with absorbing lots of things, especially fat.  The Lypo Gold really has helped a lot.  I also eat papaya and pineapple with meals often and they both help.  


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I've been using Enzymedica, Digest Gold Enzymes and Lypo Gold.  I was having trouble with absorbing lots of things, especially fat.  The Lypo Gold really has helped a lot.  I also eat papaya and pineapple with meals often and they both help.  


I take these ones too.  Enzymedica is good stuff.  I also think the pineapple and papaya is a good idea.  Although I don't always eat them with my meat meals.  I need to try that some more though.  I think there is some wisdom in eating some fruits with your meats that help digestion.  Despite the fact that some people hold to the "eat fruits alone" deal.  I think whatever works and certain fruits, like papaya, pineapple, kiwi, bananas, and some others are high in enzymes.


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I have been tested by a Loomis enzyme practitioner and I don't digest much of anything.  I didn't like the Loomis enzymes.  I will check out the others suggested here.
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I also use Enzymedica enzymes.  With each meal, I take one Digest.  It is like the Digest Gold that Kim takes, but is lower in potency.



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I had malabsorption for years.  I alternate Enzymedica Digest or Digest Gold with NOW's Plant
based enzymes.  http://www.nowfoods.com/Products/M011553.htm

Proteolytic enzymes as far as I know (taken away from meals) has the purpose of eating up metabolic waste.  Doesn't help digest your meal unless you take it with food.


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You can buy papaya enzyme.  I think most of them are chewable so I don't know what kind of bad additives might be in them.


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Quoted from Kim
I have been tested by a Loomis enzyme practitioner and I don't digest much of anything.  I didn't like the Loomis enzymes.  I will check out the others suggested here.


Yeah, food needs to digest.  And some of us have challenges with that and need supplements.  Hopefully some day we won't need it.  I do go through stages where I need it more than other times.  In fact, the last couple of days, I haven't needed much at all.  But it fluctuates.


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I ordered the Enzymedica Gold.  Drugstore.com had it for a few dollars less than iHerb.  I hope  I can tolerate it.  A's don't have enough stomach acid and with being sick, I am sure my digestion is further complicated.  

My diet is just about over and I will be increasing my food intake slowly by Wednesday.  That is the time I will have lots of trouble without a good digestive enzyme.  
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If you eat cooked food, it doesn't have the enzymes intact.

Your body does a check on the enzymes in the food and determines if the pancreas has to pump out some  enzymes to work on the food that you did not digest fully in the mouth (which is why you need to chew throughly) and if you are not breaking it down in the stomach (HCl, etc).

Your body does not forget how to produce enzymes, it doesn't produce them when they are not needed.

Plant enzymes are the way to go.
I am taking a Loomis enzyme formula and it has been extremely helpful. Giving my pancreas a rest.


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If you eat cooked food, it doesn't have the enzymes intact.

Your body does a check on the enzymes in the food and determines if the pancreas has to pump out some emergency enzymes to work on the food that you did not digest fully in the mouth (which is why you need to chew throughly) and if you are not breaking it down in the stomach (HCl, etc).

Your body does not forget how to produce enzymes, it doesn't produce them when they are not needed.

Plant enzymes are the way to go.
I am taking a Loomis enzyme formula and it has been extremely helpful. Giving my pancreas a rest.


I did not do well with Loomis enzymes.  Spent a lot of money to see a practitioner to do some tests to see what I was digesting.  According to Dr. Loomis, we don't produce enzymes well as we age, and that is why we need to take them.  Somewhere in the LR4YT book, it addresses A's and how our low alkaline phospatase neutralizes enzymes to break down food.  

I have issues with food whether it is cooked or raw.  I actuall did raw food for well over a year and didn't notice a huge benefit in my digestion.  

Even with chewing well, there are vegetables and fruits on my swami list that will constipate me if I eat them or make me double over with pain because I can't move the food out of my stomach.
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Let me clarify--
I was not directing any of that directly at you Kim.

I was just sharing my experience. Loomis makes more than one kind of enzyme supplement. Many of the supplements also have other herbs added. We are all individuals.

What other things have you done to heal your gut? Andrea is probably going to jump on here soon and ask the same thing.  


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I am taking Polyflora A, hepatiguard, intrinsa, deflect, explorer activator, genoma security, methly B12, Collisonia Plus, Bromelain...Of course following my Swami.  There are other supplements on NAP that I have looked at to try, but many of them have an avoid in them.  

I have tried many of the Loomis enzymes and they weren't the fix.  I have gotten more relief from Swami, but it isn't enough.  

I am sure the Lyme is a great part of my digestion issues.  I start treatment for that in two weeks and I am sure the tummy troubles are going to be worse on antibiotics.
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Kim, good luck with the antibiotics.  Lin


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I'm pretty sure the lyme is part of the problem.  I am amazed because since I've been taking the lyme homeopath, I all of a sudden don't need digestive enzymes.  2 days now.  I think my digestion is slowing down a little, but it's still moving.  Although tomorrow might be a better indication.  Either way, my muscle testing keeps telling me no.  And it has tapered off slowly and things were still moving even as I changed the amounts.  So, my point is I think clearing some lyme has helped my digestion improve.  I'm probably sounding like a broken record here.  Hehehe

But my point is not to say that you don't need them Kim.  I find them very beneficial when my body needs them.  I have read other places too that our pancreas gets tired with age and also health problems.  And cutting out all the processed foods helps, but it might not turn it around 100% like when we were kids.  


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Qigong practice can greatly increase enzymes needed for digestion.  Saliva and acid production normalize.  An enzyme imbalance in qigong is an energetic disturbance and means the stomach or something is not energized as should be.  

Excesss acid means the stomach receives to much energy.  
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I read a paper on digestive enzymes many years ago that stated what was said above, that as you age, you do not have the same digestive enzyme stores.  I use digestive enzymes infrequently, but I always keep them on hand.  

My kids, ages 23 & 20, still ask me for them when they have a stomach ache.  They seem to help with that as well.


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The fun begins today.  I have to start eating more calories and my enzymes aren't here yet.  I expect some tummy aches over the next couple of days. I am eating small frequent meals.  

My body certainly prefers fasting, but I have to eat more calories.  Maybe the enzymes will come today.
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The fun begins today.  I have to start eating more calories and my enzymes aren't here yet.  I expect some tummy aches over the next couple of days. I am eating small frequent meals.  

My body certainly prefers fasting, but I have to eat more calories.  Maybe the enzymes will come today.


Good luck, Kim.  I hope they arrive today.  Do you think the mail has been affected by the earthquake?


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Good luck, Kim.  I hope they arrive today.  Do you think the mail has been affected by the earthquake?


No I don't think so.  They are coming USPS.
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You may want to consider drinking some pineapple juice or I find that even blackberries or berries and papaya, things like that go good with fatty meals.  Or lemons and limes too.  Those things with your meals may help aid in digestion.  Especially lemons or lemon and water.


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You may want to consider drinking some pineapple juice or I find that even blackberries or berries and papaya, things like that go good with fatty meals.  Or lemons and limes too.  Those things with your meals may help aid in digestion.  Especially lemons or lemon and water.


I do lemons and berries and it just isn't enough.  No pineapple for the next two weeks but when I do eat it, it really doesn't help.  Love to eat pineapple!!
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