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benandbecca
Saturday, August 13, 2011, 8:25pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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My hubby and I recently started the BTD. We are A Nonnies.  We have both been on it for around 3 weeks. We are trying to be close to 100% compliant as we can, but I am sure it is not 100% perfect.  We were already trying to eat healthier, so when we started the diet, I don't think there were very many drastic changes. The main things we gave up were beef, corn, dairy, and a little bit of sugar.  

Since being on the diet, we both have significantly more energy, and my hubby especially is feeling MUCH better. I am definitely doing better, but I haven't had much weight loss, which I expected, and I am sure I need to tweak things some to get better results. I have noticed though that I can eat at least one thing that I used to have a bad reaction to without the same reaction, which is great.  We haven't been on the diet very long though, so I am sure I need to give things some more time before assuming that other things won't improve.

I am committed to a lifestyle change here, but I am also concerned a bit about hormonal changes my hubby and I seem to be experiencing.  For example, he has always had very nice, thick hair. Suddenly, it is shedding little bits at a time and is noticeably thinner. His voice has also deepened. I am guessing his testosterone is going up?  I am most concerned about his hair right now.  I was told that hair loss can be a sign of detox, but we have done quite a bit of detoxing in the past without him losing hair like this. I don't want to do something that is heading him in the wrong direction.  He feels great though, so I am really confused.

As for me, my cycle is typically very regular. However, I just had a 19 day cycle on the BTD, which is very short for me. I didn't have normal PMS symptoms, and I wasn't even expecting it, which is good, but it concerns me that maybe my progesterone is too low now?  I was already in the low end the last time I was tested, and 19 days is not normal. I have never had a cycle like that.  I asked a veteran on the BTD if hormones are affected, and she said that when she first started it she was breastfeeding her two month old, and her milk dried up. Thankfully, she was able to get her supply back, but that seems odd to me.  I didn't really think that cutting out just a few foods would have such a dramatic impact, but especially not in what seems to be a negative way.  My hair also feels a bit thinner too, but it was already on the thin side, so it is hard for me to know as I haven't noticed any shedding out of the ordinary. It just doesn't feel quite as thick as before, but it may not be an issue.

Other than the diet, we are taking everything in the Basic Pack A as well as one capsule each of Genoma Security and Histona Ulterior.  In addition, we take WholeMega and Krill Oil to get our EFA's that we felt we were deficient in, and I take an additional adrenal supplement that I have been taking for years that has tremendously helped me. It is called Michael's Adrenal Xtra. Here is a link with the ingredients: http://www.iherb.com/Michael-s-Naturopathic-Adrenal-Xtra-Energy-Support-90-Veggie-Tabs/17171?at=0

If anyone can share any input, I would greatly appreciate it as I am very concerned about this!
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Just found this on a quick search...
http://www.hairlosslibrary.com/stress_hair_loss.html

That adrenal supplement fails to give detail on the type of B12... check this out....
http://www.4yourtype.com/methylb12.asp

Cyano helped me initially and then I believed drained me. The Methyl12 is great for me.

PMS is not a normal state of affairs. Tweaked my diet and it virtually disappeared.

I am not a doctor, but my instinct says that you are just transitioning. Make sure you get full variety and notice the balance of the foods you are eating.

I'm also a little curious as to why you picked Genoma Security and Histona for both of you. Also a little curious if you haven't been eating more bread/gluten.

Other people will be around and chime in. Best to you.


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Three weeks is not very long, my weight didn't stabilize (I didn't really need to loose any) for 5 years, and since then I've never had to even think about it.

I started eating this way (1st BTD, now swami) about 12 years ago. I was around 42-43 years old. I had major peri-menopause at the time, it went away within a few months and things stayed pretty stable for years. I know that I'm in peri-menopause now,  but it isn't anywhere near as dramatic as it was then. So, yes, I noticed dramatic hormonal changes for the better.

I have rather thin hair, I've been conditioning it with castor oil, rubbing it into my scalp at least an hour before I shampoo, seems to work pretty well, click here.


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My son and husband are eating gluten-free, and I am eating almost exclusively gluten-free.

My hubby said that his voice box was hurting yesterday, and he had to talk lower than normal. This doesn't make sense to me because other than significant hair thinning and the issue with his voice box, he is doing much better.  Should I be concerned? I want him to be healthy, but does he have to lose hair to do it?

We are taking the Genoma Security and Histona for help with immunity and liver support as we have both had related issues in the past.
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benandbecca
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Could he be detoxing too quickly? He doesn't feel like he is, but I don't doubt that there is a connection between liver detox and hair loss. For example: http://www.detoxliver.net/hair-loss.html
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*bump*

Any more thoughts from anyone on this?
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It sounds like detox to me. And for the woman who "lost her milk" when she started the diet, she might have cut out too many foods at once and just eaten too little, or it might have been something completely unrelated to diet, such as the baby having a growth spurt. Since she was able to "get her milk back" it may very well have been a case of "perceived milk reduction" (which can have numerous causes) rather than an actual physiological reduction in her supply.

I wouldn't worry too much about "hormonal changes" just yet. 3 weeks is a VERY short time to be on a new diet. Detox and your bodies adapting to the new diet is still going on. Also bear in mind that hair falls out, not when the individual hair follicles stop growing, but when the new cycle begins- the old hair just sits there until a new hair starts growing in the same spot, pushing out the old. It's similar to the way adult teeth push baby teeth out of the mouth, only hair growth is constant, and follicles are always stopping and starting growth. If a  bunch of follicles just started a new cycle, that's going to mean a lot of short-term hair loss, but long term it may mean thicker, healthier hair.


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You're blood type As, why not add coconut oil?  If your husband is an O he can use butter.  Make sure you eat plenty of blood type appropriate protein & lots of raw fruits, veggies & nuts.
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And for the woman who "lost her milk" when she started the diet, she might have cut out too many foods at once and just eaten too little, or it might have been something completely unrelated to diet, such as the baby having a growth spurt. Since she was able to "get her milk back" it may very well have been a case of "perceived milk reduction" (which can have numerous causes) rather than an actual physiological reduction in her supply.



Yeah, that was me, Ruth.  I think you're right, I probably wasn't eating enough.  But I felt so GREAT on the diet (being free of red meat and nightshades, which I was ingesting daily), I think it was a shock, and I felt satisfied on a small amount of food, even though it wasn't enough to keep up a milk supply.  I never detoxed, probably because I was already on a really good diet to begin with (wheat-, dairy-, egg- and corn-free at the time).  It took me several days to realize I hadn't had a let-down and I couldn't figure out why Ethan was crying so much and fussy when I tried to nurse him.  It was another day or so before I got my milk back, with the help of herbs, supplements, stout hops beer, etc).


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Hi!  I checked out the supplement you're on.  I suffer adrenal fatigue too and maybe I'm too far into the exhaustion stage, cos the adaptogens actually seem to make it worse (ginsengs, rhodiola etc).  A book I'm reading called "Tired and Wired" reckons they're only good for the first stage - the racehorse stage where there's too much cortisol not the exhaustion stage when there isn't enough.   Hopefully you're not at the exhaustion stage? but thought I'd warn you.  Siberian Ginseng was the gentlest but I did have low sodium sometimes when I was on it and felt a little jittery.  Rhodiola isn't recommended for Type A and for me it put me to sleep and made me feel wired after that - I think it helps adrenaline breakdown which is something Os need more than us.  

Licorice root works well to recycle your cortisol and aldosterone but it also increases oestrogen so be careful of that.  I love it and was nearly having a tea daily (especially with worse adrenal fatigue from adaptogens!) but now I have adenomyosis and fibrocystic breasts (had for years anyway) caused by too much oestrogen it's out the door  .  Eating SWAMI diet, lots of sea salt, vitamin C, b vitamins, B5, B6 and rest, regular sleep are working for me now.

Having early periods can be a sign of too much oestrogen and not enough progesterone (luteal phase defect).  We can't see what age you are and where you might be menopause wise?  Maybe something you're taking is tipping the balance.  Be sure that your bowels are working well cos if they are slow then you're recycling oestrogen and toxins in your body.  Like Ruthie said could be just your body adapting and detoxing and could iron out.

The hair falling out problem brings to mind thyroid problems (also linked with possible lack of progesterone).  Wheat must be avoided.  Gluten intolerance / coeliac (nonniehood) is linked with autoimmune thyroid disease.  Sorry if you're already going wheat free and don't mean to scare you!  But wheat is #1 bad guy! and hardest to avoid!

I've recently started taking vitex and my PMS is good at day 21!  Highly recommended.  Take a look at the female balancing protocols http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/16.html - vitex is ok for every type.  


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Thank you all for your replies! I am not freaking out like I was. I hope to reply more when I am able. Have been very busy, but doing very well on the diet.
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Quoted from Symbi
Hi!  I checked out the supplement you're on.  I suffer adrenal fatigue too and maybe I'm too far into the exhaustion stage, cos the adaptogens actually seem to make it worse (ginsengs, rhodiola etc).  A book I'm reading called "Tired and Wired" reckons they're only good for the first stage - the racehorse stage where there's too much cortisol not the exhaustion stage when there isn't enough.   Hopefully you're not at the exhaustion stage? but thought I'd warn you.  Siberian Ginseng was the gentlest but I did have low sodium sometimes when I was on it and felt a little jittery.  Rhodiola isn't recommended for Type A and for me it put me to sleep and made me feel wired after that - I think it helps adrenaline breakdown which is something Os need more than us.  


Have you ever tried Ashwagandha?  It's an adaptogen that is recommended for type A's in the Encyclopedia for Fatigue.



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I have been on the BTD (1 month) and on SWAMI almost another 3 months. I seem to be loosing more hair when I wash it which has me a little worried but I guess stress over having to short sale my house this early spring could have triggered that judging by the article posted by AKArtlover. I also noticed a change regarding my periods, the cycles are still the same length but my periods heavier and my body is way more bloated ( I look 5 months pregnant) and the whole affair more painful and uncomfortable. I am wheat and dairy free now and eat meat but only about once a week, otherwise I get my proteins from eggs, quinoa, almond and peanut butter and legumes. Generally I feel good and seem to have the same endurance riding my mt. bike and dirt bike even that I switched to daily gentle yoga over cardio and weights in the morning, my constipation and heart burn issues are almost gone. I actually have an appointment for my yearly check up today and will be going with a whole list of questions and I'm also going to ask to have some bloodwork done to see where my Vitamine, protein etc. levels are to find out where I'm standing with this new way of eating/life.
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Z, how did you make out at your yearly check up?  Just curious to see how you are doing.


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I wanted to give an update. My hubby and I, according to lab work and symptoms, are deficient in Vitamin E. One symptom is hair loss. Due to the diet recommendations and supplementation, we recently started consuming a lot more fish oil.

I read that "Vitamin E keeps the polyunsaturated fats in the cell membrane layer from oxidising by donating an electron if they become oxidised, thereby making the vitamin E oxidised. Vitamin C then donates an electron to the vitamin E so it becomes un-oxidised so it can continue its job as an anti-oxidant for the cell membranes fatty acids. It is critical that if you have a lot of fish oil (which is a poly-unsaturated fat highly prone to oxidation) that you get enough vitamin E to keep it stable. Then it is critical to get enough vitamin C to keep the vitamin E stable."

I don't know if the above is true, but it makes sense. We started taking more vitamin e, and both of us are doing better. I did not realize my hair was falling out too. I was so concerned about my husband! Anyways, all that to say that we have both learned that starting a diet in which we are consuming more fish in addition to taking essential fatty acids/fish oils, is not a good idea if one is vitamin E deficient! Also, my cycle has regulated back to normal as far as the timing goes, but I am not exactly sure of the reason. I hope this info and our experience is helpful to someone else.
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I suggest you take the complex carbs out of your diet in favor of a larger serving of vegetables.


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I'm not sure I understand your point. We don't eat very many complex carbs anyway.
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Quoted from Lola


I am using up the other Vitamin E I have and doing great on it. I hope to try it later.   I have read that others have had good success with it, and that was over a long period of time if I remember correctly.

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