I posted a poll last week for O nonnies and fish.  The few votes that I did get showed that more O nonnies get more fish than red meat and/or poultry on their SWAMI.  More O's have a family history of heart disease as well.  

This is intriguing to me as there seems to be such a strong association with O's and red meat.  Could the heart disease be a factor in our SWAMI's giving us more fish than meat or poultry?  It sure makes sense to me.

The other thing that was interesting is that Explorers seem to get a more balanced diet between the four protein groups while Hunters in particular seemed to get almost double the amount of fish than red meat or poultry.  I'm not sure about Gatherers.

Several recent threads have piqued my interest in this.  I thought my SWAMI was different from that of other Hunters because of the very severe heart disease in my family, but I am finding that many Hunters in particular, are given more fish servings than any other protein source.  That doesn't mean people FOLLOW the recommendations of eating more fish than red meat, and in fact, I would bet that most people have not really looked at that, as O's have such a strong association with red meat.  I would love to hear if people actually follow the serving recommendations for protein.

This is particularly important as related to new members of the forum who have just started the BTD.  It seems like most of the advice is to eat red meat.  I am trying to chime in with fish, fish, fish, as that is what my SWAMI recommends.  

Thank you very much for participating.  I am really itnerested in this and hope to get a strong response!

GRRRR!  I see there is an error in my poll regarding secretor status.  Sorry about that.   Please post if you are a secretor in your post with your servings.

I have SWAMI set to increase portions as I am 115 pounds at 5 feet 7 inches. Without that setting, take away one serving in each category:

SWAMI says:

7 servings fish
5 servings red meat
4 servings poultry

In reality, I eat fish 6 times per week, red meat about 4-5, and poultry about 4.

I am a secretor without heart disease in the family.

Lisa

Quoted from Wholefoodie

I have SWAMI set to increase portions as I am 115 pounds at 5 feet 7 inches. Without that setting, take away one serving in each category:

SWAMI says:

7 servings fish
5 servings red meat
4 servings poultry

In reality, I eat fish 6 times per week, red meat about 4-5, and poultry about 4.

I am a secretor without heart disease in the family.

Lisa

Hi
So, I am 115 and I am only 5'3.. this makes me wonder if I need to work on losing some weight.

swami says only 3 servings of red meat
6 fish
4 poultry

I just started swami, hwoever, I find it hard right now to limit my chick portions and last night I had both beef and chick in my salad. I was hungry!

Quoted from marjorie

Hi
So, I am 115 and I am only 5'3.. this makes me wonder if I need to work on losing some weight.

swami says only 3 servings of red meat
6 fish
4 poultry

I just started swami, hwoever, I find it hard right now to limit my chick portions and last night I had both beef and chick in my salad. I was hungry!

Linda and Marjorie, I am 5'2" and weigh 110.  My doctor says my weight is perfect.  I might be able to lose a pound or two, but that is it.  Also, it won't happen in the summer, as I do cheat in summer with ice cream and beer, not together mind you.    I am at my thinnest in the winter time!

I am a non-secretor Hunter with a severe family history of heart disease and a personal history of hypertension, even at my weight.  

My SWAMI gives me:
3 servings of red meat
3 servings of poultry
7 servings of fish
4 servings of veg protein, although I don't eat them.

Quoted from Patty H

Linda and Marjorie, I am 5'2" and weigh 110.  My doctor says my weight is perfect.  I might be able to lose a pound or two, but that is it.  Also, it won't happen in the summer, as I do cheat in summer with ice cream and beer, not together mind you.    I am at my thinnest in the winter time!

I am a non-secretor Hunter with a severe family history of heart disease and a personal history of hypertension, even at my weight.  

My SWAMI gives me:
3 servings of red meat
3 servings of poultry
7 servings of fish
4 servings of veg protein, although I don't eat them.

Patty-- I used to be 5'2 and about that weight, seriously, this sounds weird but in the last year I have grown or lengthened and my weight increased. I do feel better when I am around 110, though.

yes, you are perfect

My swami is very similar to yours.. do you eat that much fish?

I still don't know my secretor status, but I will in a couple of weeks.

I get even numbers of fish and red meat- 5 each. Then I get 2 poultry.

I try to stick to the reccomended portions, but poultry is very inexpensive compared to red meat, so I often end up eating more poultry and less red meat than reccomended.

I'm pretty good at getting the right amount of fish, usually 3-4 cans of sardines and then tuna salad once a week.

Oh, and I'm a Gatherer with heart disease in my family.

I do not have a personal/family history of hypertension or heart disease.  I am an O non-secretor.

Swami gives me 4x servings fish per week, 3x red meat, 3x poultry.

Quoted from marjorie

Patty-- I used to be 5'2 and about that weight, seriously, this sounds weird but in the last year I have grown or lengthened and my weight increased. I do feel better when I am around 110, though.

yes, you are perfect

My swami is very similar to yours.. do you eat that much fish?

Marjorie, I eat much more fish than red meat or poultry.  I love my fish, fish, fish!  I think it is also appropriate for me given the heart disease in my family.  I probably eat red meat two or three times a week, eggs three times a week, poultry once a week and fish the rest of the time.  I only eat 2 meals a day so when you add it up, I probably do eat fish at least seven times a week.  One of my favorite breakfasts is salmon sashimi.  YUMMY!!!   

It is weird that you are growing!  I seem to be shrinking . . . the incredible shrinking woman  

I am an A speaking, but i don't think too much heavy red meats are good for anyone, even if you are the top hunter!  I like a little red meat, but fish and poultry are also fabulous protein sources.  It's good to mix it up.

Again, Patty (repeating what I just posted in another thread)....pleeeeze help me love fish. anybody?
How can I learn to appreciate fish? Is there a special way to cook it? Special sides to serve with it? Sauces? Help me......!!!!

Quoted from Patty H

Marjorie, I eat much more fish than red meat or poultry.  I love my fish, fish, fish!  I think it is also appropriate for me given the heart disease in my family.  I probably eat red meat two or three times a week, eggs three times a week, poultry once a week and fish the rest of the time.  I only eat 2 meals a day so when you add it up, I probably do eat fish at least seven times a week.  One of my favorite breakfasts is salmon sashimi.  YUMMY!!!   

It is weird that you are growing!  I seem to be shrinking . . . the incredible shrinking woman  

only two meals a day? I feel like I need 3 or I am miserable, but then again, I have not tried 2 in a while.. maybe I will try this. might help my digestive track a little more.

I don't know my secretor status, but feel I may be a non-secretor.

I am an O+ Gatherer G2 and Swamied

I get

red meat 5X a week
poultry  2X a week
fish     4X a week
Eggs     7-9 X a week
Vegetable Protein 5 X a week

Thanks for adding in the eggs, geminisue!  I didn't think of that!  

O+ secretor Hunter
6 fish
4 red meat
3 poultry
8 eggs
5 veg protein
I used to eat alot more red meat than I do now. My cholesterol went up to 305 so I cut out alot of red meat and started eating alot more fish. Miraculously, ALL my digestive troubles vanished, my energy doubled and I lost a pound a week for the last 10 weeks. I am 5'8" 123 now. My constant hunger has vanished and the bogged down lazy feeling is gone. Hmmm..... I LOVE FISH FISH FISH!
I don't understand why in the books. Dr D says fish is a secondary source of protein and everyone on the forums is chanting red meat when the great majority of us are supposed to eat more fish. I love my poulrty as well. Had a small grass fed burger the other night and all the old ill feelings were back., Fish it is for me!

Quoted from jayneeo

Again, Patty (repeating what I just posted in another thread)....pleeeeze help me love fish. anybody?
How can I learn to appreciate fish? Is there a special way to cook it? Special sides to serve with it? Sauces? Help me......!!!!

Try to eat the freshest fish possible, and one with a sweet mild flavor.  I don't use a lot of sauces.  I usually grill/broil fish with a little seasoning on it and a squeeze of lime or lemon when done.  I really love fish, though.  One thing I've done that makes a nice sauce is to bake the fish (cod, for example) in a dish with a little white wine, minced shallots, some fresh herbs like anise or fennel or tarragon.  Cover it and bake for around 20 minutes until fish is done.  After removing the fish, put it on a plate to keep warm, then pour the pan juices into a pan on top of the stove to reduce a little, swirl in a littel butter (avoid for me now  ).  When that sauce has reduced and thickened a little you can strain it (or not) and pour it over the fish.  I hope you find some fish that you can enjoy.  

Also...try some sushi!  It is wonderful, and sushi grade fish is the freshest.

The challenge with fish is keeping those polyamines in check. Freshness is key. Get your albumin levels checked.

I don't know whether frozen is better than canned. You do sometimes get the bones when you get canned. Great for the bones, nails etc.

Quoted from jayneeo

Again, Patty (repeating what I just posted in another thread)....pleeeeze help me love fish. anybody?
How can I learn to appreciate fish? Is there a special way to cook it? Special sides to serve with it? Sauces? Help me......!!!!

Jayneeo, I posted some tips for you in the other post.  

Fish is awesome. It takes a little discipline, but you can do it. Just focus on all the POSITIVE things fish can do for you..

O-  Gatherer non-secretor with heart disease and high blood pressure in the family.  My SWAMI gives me:

red meat      5x per week                               eggs       7 per week
poultry         2x per week                               vegetable proteins        5x per week
fish              4x per week

I made myself a weekly chart that I tick off as I go to make sure I'm getting everything in the amounts I'm supposed to.

Hi Patty,
Hear disease & hypertension in the family. I had some problems with hypertension. It was from extreme stress, thyroid problems and adrenal burn out. This is all resolved now without drugs.

I am an Explorer - believe I am non-secretor, will know sometime in October.

red meat 3 x weekly - poultry 3 x weekly  
fish 4 x weekly -veggie carbs 6x week,1/2 cup portions
carbs 3 x 1/2 cup daily

I prefer lamb to beef so that is usually my choice at home, have it 2 - 3 x weekly. Turkey or ostrich 3x
weekly. Fish - trying for 3 times but sometimes only 1X weekly.

I am trying to up it by wrapping my head around eating escargot once a week. Had some Saturday which I ground up in a mini-food processor to which I added one celery stalk, olive & garlic and ghee. Broiled it and told myself it looked like ground mushrooms!!! This is a diamond for me. Other times I have salmon 1 x weekly. Tonight I had wild caught cod loins, yep that's what the label said.
Not having a gallbladder, I find sardines repeat on me. I wish I could eat them, because this and the escargot are not as expensive. Fish is the price of steak now!

I can only manage two meals a day myself with the fruit allowance as snacks and some gluten-free treat. I am also making kombucha which may facilitate digesting the sardines. A future experiment!

I'll post my husband's details tomorrow. He is a Hunter.

Have not been SWAMI'd

I have a personal history of heart disease (bundle branch block)and family history of hypertension (Mom A-).

I think part of the O's excitement about "I get to eat Beef-Beef-Beef" and I feel great.... is "Reactionary". For many reasons, Beef has had a bad rap for decades.

One good reason to emphasis fish, especially sea fish & seaweed & kelp is a major source of Iodine. Another good reason is the Omega Oils.

I'm cautious of Tuna and Deep-Sea fish, though I love them best. The movie "The Cove" was filmed by the man who trained Flipper. He was disgusted about the mass capture and slaughter of Bottle Nosed Dolphin/Porpoise in Japan. The movie demonstrates researchers discussing their testing on the Dolphin and Tuna. The researchers monitored their Mercury while they ate Tuna for lunch and watched their levels climb exceedingly fast to levels far above maximum safe levels. They stopped eating Tuna.
Here is a link to that movie: http://www.thecovemovie.com/

I do not have a family or persanal history of heart decease.

If I tick normal frequency/amounts I get the following servings per week:

Meat = 5 (5-7oz)
Poultry = 4 (5-7oz)
Fish = 7 (5-7oz)
Eggs = 10
Veg. protein = 6 (1/2 cup)

If i tick (out of curiosity) smaller portion/less frequent I get:

Meat = 3 (3-5oz)
Poultry = 4 (3-5oz)
Fish = 5 (3-5oz)
Eggs = 6
Veg. Protein = 4 (1/4 cup)

It seems that if my desire were to lose weight I get a lower number of servings of meat than poultry, but I always get more servings of fish.

In a period, on the basic O diet, when I has having 7 servings of meat and 4-5 of fish per week my HDL was in the nineties and LDL around 100 and trigs of 39. So all the meat consumption was not damaging my blood results  .

Non Secretor O+ Explorer

My SWAMI gives me:
3 servings of red meat
4 servings of poultry
4 servings of fish
6 servings of veg protein

History of Heart problems in Family, Parents and Grand parents.

Quoted from Dianne

Hi Patty,
Hear disease & hypertension in the family. I had some problems with hypertension. It was from extreme stress, thyroid problems and adrenal burn out. This is all resolved now without drugs.

I am an Explorer - believe I am non-secretor, will know sometime in October.

red meat 3 x weekly - poultry 3 x weekly  
fish 4 x weekly -veggie carbs 6x week,1/2 cup portions
carbs 3 x 1/2 cup daily

I prefer lamb to beef so that is usually my choice at home, have it 2 - 3 x weekly. Turkey or ostrich 3x
weekly. Fish - trying for 3 times but sometimes only 1X weekly.

I am trying to up it by wrapping my head around eating escargot once a week. Had some Saturday which I ground up in a mini-food processor to which I added one celery stalk, olive & garlic and ghee. Broiled it and told myself it looked like ground mushrooms!!! This is a diamond for me. Other times I have salmon 1 x weekly. Tonight I had wild caught cod loins, yep that's what the label said.
Not having a gallbladder, I find sardines repeat on me. I wish I could eat them, because this and the escargot are not as expensive. Fish is the price of steak now!

I can only manage two meals a day myself with the fruit allowance as snacks and some gluten-free treat. I am also making kombucha which may facilitate digesting the sardines. A future experiment!

I'll post my husband's details tomorrow. He is a Hunter.

Dianne, you did not say where you live on your avatar.  Is fish difficult for you to get?  Can you buy it fresh or do you need to buy it canned or frozen?

If you can buy it fresh, I recommend starting with the white fish on your SWAMI.  They have a less pungent flavor.  Buy some herbs, spices or a mango salsa or something to put on the fish.  Some people, myself included, also use canned salmon on a salad for a lunch to get in a fish serving.  

Have you considered digestive enzymes with the sardines as well?  Probably the kombucha would do the trick, but if you needed and extra digestive boost, maybe you could look at enzymes.  They are great to have around for stomach upset as well.