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Easy E
Friday, July 1, 2011, 8:26pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I went for a cleaning and was told i have the very slight beginnings of the onset of periodontal disease.  Is anyone aware if certain genotypes are more prone to periodontal disease?

The hygenist said my gums are inflamed, which i have known for a long time.  My oral hygeine has not been what most people would call stellar.  But i have committed to flossing every day and brushing and listerineing twice a day.  I used to be more lax about it.   I did not have any caveties though!

Anyone have experience with periodontal disease?
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often "no cavities" means you may be inclined to gum disease. Different ph in the mouth. I was told by a dentist long ago (but no one else verified)
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I did not have it last time i had xrays a year and a half ago at all.  I had taken nexium or other antacids for about a year from about that time.  I stopped all antacids like nexium 2 mths ago and have been nearly acid reflux free now.  I wonder if the drug allowed plaque to build in my mouth and bacteria to go in my mouth.

Being off these drugs, i feel like my old self again.  No bad breath anymore.  During the yr of taking these drugs, my fiance' said my breath smelled "rotten."  Now she says my breath does not smell like anything.  I feel this is because i am no longer taking these meds.
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Easy E,

Well, in this context I have to say that (unfortunately) I just had a deep cleaning of my whole mouth because of deep pockets in the gums.  

It's good that you are aware of it at the outset and perhaps you can "nip it in the bud" as they say.

One thing that I was not aware of was this:  I said OK now my gums are free of bacteria and will heal and be healthy.  The hygienist stated as she was putting her pick down that new  bacteria was forming as we speak.  So it is an ongoing situation.  Of course, having a healthy immune system and eating  BTD foods helps.

She was rather surpirised that betwen the first and second treatments my gums had improved.
She said that doesn't often happen.  

I focused on getting my gums healthier:  Brushing with a mix of hydrogen perioxide and baking soda (flouride is not good for me), using an electric toothbrush, using The Mouth Doctor, flossing with soft picks by SunStar, and I just purchased an oral irrigator by Waterpik (it supposedly is twice as good as regular floss).  

That seems like a lot but I've incorporated it into my daily routine as I plan to never need gum treatments again.  The hygienist said these treatments could last one or ten years.  I guess its all depending on your general health and age.  

One last thing there is a sugarless gum called Spry (purchased at health food stores) that has Xylitol which claims to kill bacteria.  I chew it after every meal (believe me the flavor doesn't last more than a minute but if it works than OK).

So, after having said all that.   Prevention is the answer.  Hope this helps you.


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I like Spry, the sugar in it , xylitol, is attractive to bacteria but they cannot live on it, so they die.xylitol

My Anatomy books says 95% of people over the age of 35 have periodontal disease.  


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GR,

Isn't that just one of the facts of life that we didn't need to know but some of us experience.

Like I said.  Prevention or slowing down of any gum dis-ease is the key and I aim to try.

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gum health is directly related to gum disease. You know what Lola says," Fix the gut."


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and you know what Andrea says about that biome!!!!


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Yup... that gut biome is so important


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Ladies,

The BTD theory is about bloodtype and individuality, correct?  

The gut biome as you both attest is where I should start, no?  The gut is the second brain, is that right?  

The procedures that I have incorporated into my daily routine to keep gums and teeth in a healthy state are in direct proportion to a "happy gut".  

What  you're saying is if I had "good karma" in other words excellent gut biome I wouldn't need gum treatments.  Well, here's the dichotomy.  If I adhere to my aforementioned gum hygiene I will also be helping my gut biome and vice versa.  

One hand washes the other.  The BTD is a "hallmark of health" for me.  I don't have the compliancy you have but I am striving towards it.

There are procedures in specific cases that bring immediate help.

Wish me luck.

Joy





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Dr D told me to use Myrrh.. I power it up and use it on the toothbrush..


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I'd gave a try Goldie, but it seems I'm not a Myrrh type at all, the only thing is that I became nearly sick with that nasty smell, bought also the tincture justamente befor my op last december... but it didn't helped at all; I'm much better with lavender&niauli oil as usual....


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Joy, so you are saying it can work both ways...by healing the gums, one can also improve the health of the gut or by healing the gut, one can improve the health of their gums?
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Easy E,

I was actually diagnosed with periodontal disease in my 20's.  I never even heard of the BTD then.
The dentist in NY recommended deep cleaning but I was leaving on a driving trip to California in a few days and could not schedule it.  

This was the first time it was recommended to me to use the mix of hydrogen peroxide and baking soda.  And I seem to remember I was supposed to rinse with a combination of water and hydrogen peroxide.  

We are all individuals as is clearly stated as part of this BTD lifestyle.  If I had been a part of the BTD lifestyle before then its possible I wouldn't have even developed gum issues.  

The last time I had one quadrant of my mouth (not my whole mouth) treated for periodontal disease
was about ten years ago.

To answer your question taking care of your teeth and gums now before it develops into an issue is helping your overall health.   Wouldn't you agree?

You are already learning and incorporating the BTD lifestyle.  The whole body is a magnificent complicated system.  

Joy

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I floss daily now, which can't be a bad thing one way or another for gum disease!  They never bleed anymore and don't hurt to floss.
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Quoted from Easy E
I floss daily now, which can't be a bad thing one way or another for gum disease!  They never bleed anymore and don't hurt to floss.


Hey Easy - my answer to your first question is "yes" and perio seems to have first happened in my mid forties. I'm 46 now. I have a pocket around a certain tooth that always gets inflamed first, and there's always that nagging fear about further bone loss and "if I'm doing things right."

Until I SWAMI I notice that giving up coffee, tea, chocolate and most beneficial tanins in my diethas given me (like it or not) more propensity towards biofilm coating my teeth. I couldn't figure out  that this is what was first going on when I was forced to go off those drinks up during Hyperthyroidism, but now that I am with Genotype Diet.... I know what it is! then too the dentist wanted me to rinse with listerine each and every time, and I have not been doing that. I have been using one of those combination "advanced" toothpates for sensitive teeth thats supposed to fight gingivitis, but the tartar seems to be forming every 3 months....@#$%^&*!! I use a kids' soft spinbrush to really get in all the crevices...but still, BIOFILM. I have to go back to rinsing after each brush with original listerine or something because that newfangled rinse that's supposed to strengthen your teeth against cavities just doesn't cut it, strangely enough.

The only thing WITH tanins in my diet that will affect bacterial levels is eating CRANBERRIES. I have to source a place that will give me unsweetened ones.
Around me all I have are the dried, sugary ones. But I do feel extremely healthy after eating cranberries. And even my mouth feels happier with them. Maybe we can both find a cranberry essence toothpaste, or ask someone to make some. Are we allowed GOLDENSEAL? Just a thought, if we can't have Myrrh.


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My experience which commenced four years ago with bleeding gums (after many years reasonable compliance on BTD) was that I needed periodontal specialist treatment, an application of some sort of antibacterial product I think. Following this each year I see the 'hygienist' for tartar control and assessment of the gums. Luckily they had nipped it in the bud, and now they report that everything is pretty good, and even there is some regrowth of gum tissue. My routine now is cleaning with a fluoride toothpaste after every meal, flossing especially bottom front where the teeth are close together in the evening and using piksters miniature brushes every day too in the evening. No cavities for the past couple of years despite having awful teeth in the past. Giving up sugar completely since Swami (even though it says I can use it), seems to be a good thing.Hope this helps.



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My experience which commenced four years ago with bleeding gums (after many years reasonable compliance on BTD) was that I needed periodontal specialist treatment, an application of some sort of antibacterial product I think. Following this each year I see the 'hygienist' for tartar control and assessment of the gums. Luckily they had nipped it in the bud, and now they report that everything is pretty good, and even there is some regrowth of gum tissue. My routine now is cleaning with a fluoride toothpaste after every meal, flossing especially bottom front where the teeth are close together in the evening and using piksters miniature brushes every day too in the evening. No cavities for the past couple of years despite having awful teeth in the past. Giving up sugar completely since Swami (even though it says I can use it), seems to be a good thing.Hope this helps.


Cool! Yay for regrowth!!


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