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Had ultrasound, consultant got second opinion, fairly positive that i have a blood clot in my lower leg.

They recommended i see a A&E immediately and have injections and warifin to thin the blood for at least 3 months.

I told them i would pop back later after i did some of my own research.

So I need some pretty quiet responses please.


My thoughts. I have been in bed for 2 weeks due to illness so think the course is that plus infection.

I want to just strat exercising again and take lemon juice and any other natural remedy to ease this. then get a scan again in 3 months.

They want to inject now. so what do you all think

By the way in the meantime I'm taking a a whole lemon in 8 oz of water but how often do i need to take this. it's supposed to thin blood by 20 but for how long etc.

all help appreciated.

I'm 12 stone, 5'8" and in pretty good shape. but i do have UTI.

what supps should i stop taking and what ones should i start?

thanks again




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Regarding swami, which bit if any should i tick to update foods for DVT's


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PC,
Sorry I can't help with suggestions, but wish you the best with that leg.


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Important to take the medical treatment.. please.


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You need to be under the care of a doctor for a DVT.  Can you go to an ND?  Exercising could cause the clot to dislogde and cause a major problem.  Sorry, I can't be of more help from the natural medicine standpoint.  I am a currently non-practicing RN, so take it for what's it's worth.  If it were me I would also try to find something other than warfarin as an option.  You may not have other options in your health system.  

Did they diagnose what has made you sick for 2 weeks?

All the best.  Keep us posted.  
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This medical treatment, takes no account of blood type, no account of diet, or anything.

I'm blood type O, I eat a blood type diet. I don't smoke i don't drink,

I'm probably only in this position due to being off my feet for two weeks.

there are also loads of risks associated with the treatment in any event.

I'm looking for some reasons behind a decision rather than just a "take the medication"


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they have no idea what caused it and have no interest. they just want to give drugs and injections.

there are no naturpath anywhere near me unfortunately


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There are risks with the treatment.  There are huge risks with a DVT.  You should be treated.  It is important to have your blood INR levels checked frequently to make sure your dosage is safe.
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Important to take the medical treatment.. please.


Yes extremely important. As a nurse I have never seen this kind of thing resolve without intervention, and the risk to your life is too great, you can always detox later...this is one of those times that medical intervention is necessary...and the sooner the better. Please no exercise or massage in the meantime...wish you all the best...so sorry this had to happen, I can only imagine how hard it is to have to go through the treatment. Good luck...
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Quoted from PCUK-Positive
This medical treatment, takes no account of blood type, no account of diet, or anything.

I'm blood type O, I eat a blood type diet. I don't smoke i don't drink,

I'm probably only in this position due to being off my feet for two weeks.

there are also loads of risks associated with the treatment in any event.

I'm looking for some reasons behind a decision rather than just a "take the medication"

PC  we do not live in a world where blood type matters  to anyone but us. You can do a phone consult with  Dr.D'Adamo if you want to take that route.
We are lay people who can give you our opinions  that is all.
  
You can end up with a pulmonary embolism and more clots, this is serious stuff.
Once you get treated you can then go back to your blood type diet.

In the hospital where I work we put special stockings on everyone who is on bed rest, they inflate and deflate to keep the blood moving.

PC... you have a daughter and a wife so it is even more important to take care of yourself.






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they have no idea what caused it and have no interest. they just want to give drugs and injections.

there are no naturpath anywhere near me unfortunately


The cause is more than likely secondary to immobility from being so sick. The thing is that you might be keeping the remainder of your blood thin with the lemon juice, but the problem is that clot, it has to be lysed, and I just don't know if lemon juice will do that. If it mobilizes it can move into the pulmonary circulation, and cause a pulmonary embolism. This is what they want to prevent. Please do the treatment.

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PC, I'm hoping you have already gone to the hospital.  Once you are out their are supplements that will thin the blood to prevent more.
best of luck, Lin


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I agree about not exercising.  the last thing you want is for the clot to dislodge.

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You can do a phone consult with  Dr.D'Adamo if you want to take that route.


That sounds like an awesome idea.  It would be difficult for him to really do anything since he can't physically see you, but he may be able to give some advice.


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but the problem is that clot, it has to be lysed, and I just don't know if lemon juice will do that. If it mobilizes it can move into the pulmonary circulation, and cause a pulmonary embolism. This is what they want to prevent. Please do the treatment.








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Went to the hospital, sake with the doctor, i said that as it was a below the knee DVT surely it is not as serious as an above the knee one, he agreed.

he even confired that some people with the same problem as me would not as a matter of course have the blood thinned - people with hip replacements etc. I glad he said that because that was what iwas going to say next.

So I said that i would like to take an alternative route to the wafarin ect. he said that if i wanted to that's was okay. He also saif tha warefin etc is pretty horrific so he kind of understood what i was thinking.

So that's what I'm going to do so if you would be kind enough to give me some details about thinning blood in detail i would appreciate it.


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Here is a site that talks about Natural Blood thinners - although nothing like dosages, etc...
http://www.ctds.info/natthinners.html


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This might be of interest. I have no experience or first-hand knowledge but have heard of Nattokinase and it's ability to dissolve excess fibrin...I wish you well. please keep us posted.
http://www.medical-library.net/nattokinase.html
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so tonight i took Explore catalyst, explorer Activator and fish oil formula.

I tool a lemon, bicarb, and water drink at about 4pm I'll have another before bed and another in the morning. I think 3 lemons a day is enough for anyone or until i read more.

I am also drinking a litre of cranberry juice a day. but when that runs out i will be taking capsules of cranberry, one a day. (this can't hurt the UTI.)

i think deflect is a good idea so i will take one of them a day from tomorrow.

I sall leave my olive leaf extract and all that for a few days to see how things go Worth my leg.

I just went for a short walk with Emily round to the shops to get some more lemons that the first time i have walked on my foot properly for a few weeks. my leg feels much better for that, so i will walk twice a day for the next week, slowly increasing distance.

I will have no avoids for the next week. and i am reintroducing beneficial that i had exclude from my diet due to them not wotking for Emily. i will fast track my diet to get this back in total SWAMI within a week.

pleae feel free to suggest more oxo


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Thanks for those links, very useful oxo


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OK here I go..

1 ) a blot clot can kill you..

2) currently as in right now, you have a propensity for more clots.. not all so far away as the leg..
........ you are still alive.. good for you at least we know what happened if we don't hear from you again..

3) by thinning out the blood you might also losen the clot.. the lemon thing according to the writing by DrD is to move blood around faster.. I think that excess of lemon is counter indicated for all sort of things.. read up more about the effects of to much for anyone and of O in partiqular..please..

4) get off all supps .. unless one of them is reccommended by DrD or his staff and then only with them consulting first with one of their doctors.. this is not good enough for a sales clerk to decide..
(I was sold 4 times the amount of one item in teh sups, and they never realized it..

5) A single clot in your foot can actually block blod flow to parts of your foot at which point it may require AMPUTAYION of that part of the foot.

6) my fear is that the clot might get torn lose because it is larger or smaller and then go to places you don't ever wish it to go.. happened to a friend who lost his leg over it.. on a 2 hours drive in his car.. emergency admittance to a hospital en route and being flown to a special hospital did not prevent the damage.. he is totally healthy otherwise..  

7) Your current interpretation that this clot formed because you where in bed.. cr.p : if that where so then half the world would be making clots.. so that is foulty thinking..

By now .. your self treatment of the UTI is ridiculous also.. a UTI for 2 weeks is by itself critical.. yes drink the juice, but even with all that washing out from the inside ..it has not been enough.. in the end you will risk becoming incontinent forever.. men don't know when they leak. but their clothes will tell so .. get real.. you don't want this at all .. a pill will not kill you.. but a UTI can be dangerous..

9) being self sufficient is ok, but obviously something went wrong with your progam so admit to it to your self and get help for now and then go back to SWAMI and do it right..

10) the very lemon or whatever you are eating may be the cause for diarhea.. sorry but that has NOTHING to do with UTI's.. DIFFERENT cause and different treatment needed.. you could try banans, rice and applesauce.. to replace some things missing inside..  and use a bidet if you have one..

11) never mind Em she is not you.. she will have many needs that you are not even coming close to understanding, no matter your intentions..

Is there not a mom present who could and would buy the things you need?? why is it such a struggle to shop  while you are ill?

12) Back to the leg..  if you start moving around TOOO MUUUCH -I think- it can cause the leg much more problems then you bargin for.. where is it written that you should move at all?  I dont mean doing some walking in the house.. or some walking in the yard, but even that is not part of treatment as far as I know..  

13) do you have the ENCYCLOPEDIA??? if yes look up all your conditions and symptoms, including mental inflexibility.. on issue we all have.. to some extent, but not at the cost of our health.

IS NOT the enclopedia listed in some place on this site? or are only the supps listed on the website?  *******

14) did you ever ask what causes a blood clot? what blood factor is involved that is not serving you..

15) are you eating peanuts?? did you ever? before you got UTI.. they cause UIT's when one eats to many over time.. Tried it and proved DrD right in his prediction..

OK : enof said.. . ****** I might look at some issues for you if you don't have access to it .. so let me know ....  

some items to consider.. : Lupus?
bacterial infection ..e koli.. is only one of many..
bowle toxicity. there are many .. what is your poliamine levels?
cancer prostate.. frequent urination is a symptom..or hyperplasia benign ..
cancer colorectal diarhea is a symptom..    
colitis..
cystitis in urine tract..
embolisms.. strokes
giardia

I think there are some that will or at least should be looked at..

what exactly is your fear? why not go to the hospital?? they would do all the tests and you could get some answers all at once instead of peacemeal. Is mom there to take care of Emily?

all the best as always.. goldie


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Have you tried D-Mannose for the UTI? It works better for me than cranberry.
I also think Hawthorne helps with thinning the blood, I've been using it for about a year for heart related issues due to Lyme Disease and I believe it has helped. My blood is much thinner now but that can be due to a number of things I've been doing. I believe us nonnies tend to have thicker blood.
http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-hawthorn-berry.html


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My feeling is - same as Goldie - a UTI that lasts 2 weeks sounds serious - can cause kidney problems I have never heard of one lasting that long seeing as you are treating it??!!

Also don't BT.0's have thin blood already? When I inadvertently took too much fish oil, combined with E & Evening Primrose Oil last year, I got massive & ongoing nosebleeds...

Hope you get over this soon
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I want to reinforce what people have said before: A blot clot is very serious! If it dislodges, you are likely to end up dead. Apparently the first 2 weks after a clot has formed are the most dangerous because that is the time that the clot can dislodge. After 2 weeks it tends to be stuck to the wall of the vein and needs to be dissolved slowly (e.g. by using warfarin).

There are some people who have a predisposition/gene to getting clots. This can be tested, it is called 'Leiden' - here is a link: http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/facts/factorv.htm

I know all this because I have a friend who got a blood clot when he flew from Europe to visit me in Australia. He is very fit, very active and the doctor at the hospital was surprised, because it is normally sedentary people who develop blood clots.

However, as I said before, it is very serious and - if it was me - I would go along with the traditional treatment.
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Goldie, I went to the hospital, they did all the test - came back wth nothing!

The hospital was going to inect blood thinners and give me wafarin to thin the blood - But some now don't want me to thin my blood - make up your minds please.

the clot attachés itself tothe wall within 5-7 days i thought.


I had no issue with my leg prior to being in bed for 2 weeks

The UTI is i think all part and parcel with the bed rest, taking into account prostate problems and actually me drinking less water in error while i was running a temperature. there is now no pain there and I'm taking great care to address that.

the traditional treatment thins the blood, I'm doing that and being very careful about everything else i do.

Once i feel my body is balanced i will then start a course of antibacterial protocols.



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