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cowgirl1988
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Have been researching & following reviews on pH levels and the effects it can have on the body. Recently been having a load of my Chronic Fatigue Syndrome symptoms flare up, thought I'd give it a go & been trying to stick to alkaline foods (which is very confusing as different websites show different levels in acid/alkaline foods Also drinking so called "Alkaline water" as my pH level is quite acidic, ranging between 6.0 - 6.6... then this website pops up which says its a load of cods-wollop!  

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/coral2.html

Totally confused! If one reads up on the affects pH levels claim to have on the body, my body fits the symptoms........what to do!?   so sick of being like this. Am wondering if I just have bad liver and/or kidneys? Has anyone got any experience with this diet ?


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Hi,

I also am getting over these Chronic fatigue syndrome symptoms.

I was also reading up on the alkaline water. I am thinking of getting a Water Alkalizer/ionizer.

I thought I was a nomad but did swamixpress and found out I am 48% explorer. The 2 weaknesses of explorers are bone marrow(red blood cells) and liver detoxification. I had looked at all my blood tests form the past 3 yrs( since chronic fatigue) that my GP gave me to try pick up whats wrong and the only things that were a little out of the range were my iron levels and albumin/total protien levels(on the liver test).

I am doing further testing for the liver and gut.

I just started the diet and feel as if I am on the right track and am getting better.

I have a lot to say on the Chronic Fatigue syndrome and would be happy to share my information with you.

Hows your gut doing? its your number one filter in your body.


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OK, number one:

Quackwatch is NOT a reliable site. They're very pro "modern medicine" and anti- anything that varies from "the status quo."  For example, they claim that chiropractic and homeopathy aren't legitimate.

Secondly, I'm not all that familiar with acid and alkaline diets, other than the general concept of acidity causing disease and alkalinity being desirable. I don't know if it's possible to become "too alkaline" or not.

It's not so much about the pH of the food before you eat it, it's all about how it affects your blood after digesting. And that varies by blood type- meat might be an "acidic" food, but it's not such a strong acidifying effect on Os or Bs (especially Os.) Meanwhile, wheat is acidifying, but that effect is stronger on some individuals (such as Os) than on others (such as As.) Different researchers studying the "acidifying" effects of various foods will be using different people as samples, and if these samples have different blood types, they'll come up with different lists of foods.

I really feel that Dr. D'Adamo's work encompasses all other theories of eating/food combining,  because it's all individualized. Sugar is acid forming- what do you know, Dr. D recomends that some of us avoid sugar completely and the rest of us keep it to 1 or 2 teaspoons a day. Lemon in water is alkalining (even though lemon juice is acidic  before being digested)- well, see that! Lemon in water is "beneficial" for everybody!


My suggestion is that you stick with your own food plan- your list of foods, your serving sizes and frequencies- and stop worrying about the acid/alkaline balance so much. Even better than the Blood Type Diet (from one of the published books) is getting a SWAMI. That's a computer program written by Dr. D. where you imput various information about yourself, and it calculates the ideal diet for you personally. It can heal you on a deeper level  than the BTD, since it's personalized just for your body, not for Type Bs in general.


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follow your guidelines in the book
tweak according to secretor status
the acid alkaline advice across the net is a one size fit all
we here learn about individuality and physiology, to fit our issues

Read about the non secretor issue
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/a.htm


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the health library series have a fatigue book
http://www.4yourtype.com/products.asp?dept=54


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Quoted from ruthiegirl

My suggestion is that you stick with your own food plan- your list of foods, your serving sizes and frequencies- and stop worrying about the acid/alkaline balance so much.


'Serving size' & 'frequency' being the operative words!
If you look at Dr.D's recommendations, the acidifying foods like meat/ fish etc have quite small serving sizes and alkaline foods like vegetables and fruit get huge serving sizes/ frequencies!

Fruit may be a problem for you as it will spike your blood sugar, but lots of veg and salad is real good!


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Thanks all for the input. Ruthiegirl, I've had Swami for atleast 6 months now & with a lot of trial and error (partly was my fault for not reading properly!) I still have not got things under control. I've cut out diary (about 2 months ago) & alcohol (about 1month ago) completely. So all I was consuming was fruit, veg, nuts, fish, red meat & turkey...oh & honey (Ive been sugar free for 6months)

This body is STILL NOT COPING! Every day I feel sluggish, clogged up on the inside, have some kind of headache or aching (mainly on the right side of the body) yesterday it felt like abdominal pain. My weight is aaallll over the place...all of this has been happening for years and years and years. Going to have a scope down the throat this week as I may have stomach ulcers...had a gut ache every day for about 4 weeks. Probably caused by the ibuprofen tablets I was taking to stop the aches and pains that come with having CFS. They have been changed to paracetamol.

I have followed the Swami diet (which I am a full believer in) and at the moment have decided to cut out animal proteins so the digestive system can work a little easier.

Getting incredibly frustrated.....trying to stay positive. Life's just not enjoyable going through this...  


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choose according to your swami recommendations, do not try going against it unless you know more about physiology, bio chemistry and all variables Dr D has computed into the system.

rerun it if you believe the specific guidelines are not working for you.....
and let the system compute your GT for you


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Are you sure that everything you inputted into SWAMI was accurate? Maybe get a friend to help you re-measure yourself, and if you can scan your fingerprints, post them online so that knowledgable people on this forum can help you. It's quite possible that "bad information" led SWAMI to calculate "wrong" for you.

What's your current diet like compared to what SWAMI recomends for you? It's possible that you cut out too many things and that's why you're not healing. Maybe completely dairy-free isn't the best choice, and you should re-introduce ghee and/or non-cow's milk dairy products (cheeses and/or yogurt made from goat or sheep milk cheese) even if you feel that cow's milk proteins would be a bad choice right now. It's quite possible that nothing's "wrong" with your SWAMI except that you're not following it carefully enough.

Why aren't you eating any beans or grains? Too few carbs can lead to a sluggish feeling. Are you taking probiotics?


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No probiotics...and I probably should be taking them   sounds silly but Im quite scared that dairy products of any sort will mess with the digestive system. Not sure why I don't consume many grains, I do very rarely...I shall go get some today.

Quite sure the info put into Swami is correct, I did all measurements twice and Mum was doing it with me...she too, is a B Nomad. We did both the calculations with the kit, which showed I was a Nomad, and also let Swami do the calculations, it too, says Im 45% Nomad. You're probably correct there in saying I may not be following it properly enough for it to be "healing" the system like it should be.

Would love to be able to go to USA and have a session with Dr.D's clinicians... $$$


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how old are you?


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Lola, I am 22


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try cutting out nuts? My daughter and myself both can't eat too many nuts., my daughter gets PAIN.  In fact, lots of people can't. They have anti enzymes and anti nutrients. If you cut them out and feel better than you can soak and roast them for easier digestion


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So now I have been vegetarian for about 6 weeks (which sucks) as dairy and animal proteins are apparently acidic foods...and my pH levels still below 6.8...most mornings it would be 6

But Im quite confident the problem was that I was consuming too much raw honey - which quoted by Swami = "Sweeteners are not particularly beneficial for GT6 Nomads, since they tend to turn their metabolism towards the acidic spectrum, which tends to diminish their immune functions." Gee I wish I took more notice of that earlier!!!!

Honey free now for day 5 and I do feel slightly better. Have tried finding info on this site about what Dr.D recommends about raising the alkalinity in ones body...but no luck. Am worried if I start consuming these proteins again that it will keep me on the acidic level??? Sooooo sick of the vegetarian diet  


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read more on your individuality.....educate yourself on the fact that all one size fit all advice out there about the acid/ alkaline issue is not individualized like swami, or physiologically right

follow your guidelines and heal your PH levels


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What exactly ARE you eating right now cowgirl? My guess is that you may be overdoing something you shouldn't be eating (too many grains perhaps?) in your efforts to avoid all animal products. I suspect you'd heal the pH balance of your body more efficiently if you did consume the animal protien your B body needs, rather than "starving yourself." But I'd stick with the beneficial or diamond animal products for now.


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It can be challenging sometimes to figure out exactly what is causing our problems and I think there is a tendency to sometimes throw out the wrong things.  For example, going completely dairy free as a type B Nomad may not be in your best interest.  That doesn't mean I'm suggesting you have a glass of milk, but something like ghee is very healing for us.  Also goat yogurt. Both of these in small amounts.  I buy fresh goat milk from a farmer and make my own yogurt.  That, and ghee are part of my daily 'must haves'.

I would rather see you focus on diamond superfoods than worrying so much about your acid-alkaline balance.  The chemical drugs you are taking can be a vicious cycle as they perpetuate the problems that you are taking them to alleviate.  They can certainly imbalance your body a lot, and you may be cutting out foods when the drugs are a major part of the problem.

If you add back in grains, try and stick with the diamond or at least superfood grains, and rinse them very well before cooking.

Same with the nuts.  Rinse well, soak overnight and then dry in a very low oven.  This makes these foods more digestible and less irritating.



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I really like the advice all of you are giving me, so truly...thank you ruthiegirl, basically I have been eating millet, eggs, cabbage, zucchini, carrot, beet, sweet potato, broccoli, peas, beans, cauli, watermelon, figs, dates, sultanas, lemon, dry roasted almonds...their probably the main foods...amongst a few other veggies and fruit. But as of yesterday, the vegetarian diet has been scrapped!!! I ate a small portion of lean red meat yesterday, and this morning the pH level was at 7.0 yay!!!! I expected it to drop but clearly its the honey thats been causing it to drop

Victoria, I had a big problem with an infected tooth, which I was on 3 courses of anti-biotics...plus my chronic fatigue symptoms were playing up so I was on pain killers too, which led to me having stomach ulcers. One could only imagine the damage the rest of my body encountered. But for 6 weeks now I have not had any medicines or pills of any sort (even if Im in pain) Also taking Dr Ds supplements.

I will stick to what you have all suggested, and keep up with the diamond foods......Im so excited to be on the right road now, this feels right dance) Thanks again!!!


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Great update!


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Yeah, that vegetarian business didn't do me any good, either. Good for you, for seeing this for yourself!  First couple of years, it seemed like an excellent idea to me.   Then, little by little, my health started unraveling .  Not being a quitter, I hung in there with the vegetarian diet for another two decades, while trying everything under the sun to get healthy.   It wasn't until Dr. D came into my life that I realized that I was making myself sick by how I was eating! All those years, I thought I was doing the best thing for my body by persisting as a vegetarian.

It's been a long journey as I heal from my own ignorance.   



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Great work.. stay focused on what feels right, and everything will work just fine.

I truly believe our bodies know what to eat and not eat.

I am learning more about the acid/alkaline diet as well, but again, I revert to GTD.
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And boy did my body tell me last night what NOT to eat!!! I decided to try some ghee melted through steamed cabbage at about 4pm yesterday.........by about 7pm, I had THE WORST indigestion session that felt like acid had been poured down my throat!    Not a nice feeling, especially when jumping around in a Zumba class! Felt bloody horrible all night but was ok this morning. Introducing cheese has been ok...but no more ghee for me  


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