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Curious
Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 7:24am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I have been diagnosed with De Quervain Tenosynovitis. It is an inflammation in my right wrist and it is quite painful. I had an ultrasound and the guy doing the ultrasound called it "raging". My doctor wants to do cortison injections, but I said NO.
Does anyone of you have experience with this De Quervain Tonosynovitis? If so, can you recommend anything that helped you? The ultrasound guy said it could take 2 years to get better if it was not treated.
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Before going for something as drastic as a cortison injection, please check out the following methods (which I have used with great results):

Spider Tapes:


Trigger Point Massage:
http://www.triggerpointbook.com





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Hi Curious,

GTD helped me more than BTD with regard to joint inflammations. So, I'd recommend that you switch to GTD, best with Swami Express.

In addition to that, I'd like to indicate Dr. John Sarno's books about chronic pains and repetitive stress injuries..

Cheers,
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LOOK at the foods you eat.. something is causing it.. I would bet money on it.. LOOK again..

then also decide :

http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm

not so much about which diet.. but which ITEM in each of the diets might be aggravating your issues..

IN MY CASE I have mayor inflammation in my mouth that could actually cause heart issues..

DrD recommended Myrrh.. I bought some as I was told it is strong.chopped it up some and add it to my water pick.. and it seems to be helping.. inflammation can come from the mouth.. maybe washing your hands with myrrh.. gosh what crazy advice but worth a try.. I trust Doc..

also
I see this as systemic not just in your wrist.. ( and it can come from the neck - see the thread on

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1287907337/ especially my last entry..

but this is not only about exercise.. ITS inflammation.. and that comes from food... remember a baby aspirin every other day is smalllllll but can save your life .. for that matter it will take down the inflammation also.. but will not cure the cause.. so look for foods even as small or smaller than aspirins.. something is hurting your body..    all the best..  


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I'd skip the GTD and go right for a SWAMI. You definitely have a medical issue, and SWAMI is more likely to clear it up than GTD, plus many people find SWAMI to be much less restrictive than GTD. Most people find that they have a few foods that they just have a hard time living without, and GTD takes them away, while SWAMI keeps at least one food or a good substitute for it (such as sweet potatoes OR squash) making compliance easier.

Besides changing your diet, look into nutritional/herbal supplements as well as other modalities, such as chiropractic or acupuncture. Prolotherapy might be extremely helpful in this case.

Cortizone does suppress the immune system and can't promote long-term healing, but it does lessen symptoms and can help to break the pain-cycle. If the natural modalities aren't helping fast enough, conventional medicine is sometimes helpful to stop the pain while the natural things do the deep healing.


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Last year I had a wrist injury that caused De Quervain tenosynovitis and after suffering with it for about 3 months I went to an orthopedic Dr. who specialized in hands.  He gave me a cortisone shot - it has to go into the tendon - and it was much improved after 2 days or so.  It stayed a little tender for a few months but now it is as good as new.  My family Dr. said that I could get one and only one cortisone shot.  Two or more shots will cause damage to the tendon and surrounding area.
Good luck.
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Ruthiegirl, I admire your practical and common sense approach to this way of eating/life, I really do.
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how serious are you about following your guidelines?
have you checked the avoids for your type and non secretor status printed in the arthritis book?
that to me was the first eye opener......
I suggest you do the same and follow the protocols given, if not yet ready for a swami


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I have nver heard of this but i was due to get the same injections n my shouldders rotator cuffs to be precise.

but simply stopped drinking milk and a week or two later didn't need the injections and that was a few years ago now, never had any more trouble.

since then i am swami compliany most of the time and don't even get a ache anywhere. however crazy that sounds i can tell you that it's true.

so look for an alternative first. and then look again.


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I think diet certainly helps but I'm almost 100% compliant and I still have muscular aches here and there (due to prolonged sitting at work and my dance practice), so in my case some other natural/non-invasive modalities have helped. I'm just trying to say that BTD/GTD/SWAMI can be a great contributor in healing the pain and inflammation but diet alone may not be the only solution.




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one other thing .. sometimes its worth looking at my signature..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Thanks everyone, they are great suggestions!
I thought I was 95 % compliant on the BTD, except for eating some white potatoes recently and drinking some black tea (I tried the GTD a year ago and it made me feel bad, so I don't think it is for me).
Thanks for reminding me of Sarno's books, Yaman. I have got 2 of them and I am going to look at them again. When I got the De Quervain I was very angry that I had to move offices at work and threw away lots of stuff. Some was sensitive and so I tore it in pieces (good stress releaser), but 2 days later I had the De Quervain. So anger was definitely a reason.
I am going to see my naturopath next week, maybe she can suggest some good supplements to help with the inflammation.
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anger sets in the muscles and whatever makes you move.. I think it is a cause for fibromyalgia to set in.

getting rid of such learned behavior during on anger expression can really do damage that follows for years to come.. and nearly nothing will make it better .. possibly acupuncture especially if you tell them that this may have started during on anger expression.. tearing up a phonebook is easy to do if you are angry..

this is a good discovery.. 90 % of illness comes from emotions.. if need be go to some AA type meetings ..listen and learn and allow your self to heal.. glad you did not just take that shot.. emotions can not be dealt with a shot.. (someone did something similar.. she ended up with a trigger point that was relieved only with surgery.. ) Prolo might help it greatly .. all the best on this journey of self..  

light candles, talk to someone, and may I gently suggest that this was not your first anger situation, rather that you had other in your life and they just added scars like snow on a snowball until the body and mind said enough!.. it is hard to imagine that things from long ago could be so locked in our body.. but just close your eyes and remember other times .. then for each of those memories.. look all around and smell the situation mentally touch it, mentally see it from all sides and then place the memory in cotton and layer it like a cloud and let it drift away.. any image will do.. but going through some issues might relive the tension held in your neck and spine.. for each injustice or each temper situation.. you get the picture..  

knowing why is 90% cured.. good for you..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Quoted from Goldie
but going through some issues might relive the tension held in your neck and spine.. for each injustice or each temper situation.. you get the picture..  

I don't have tension in my neck and spine, just pain in my wrist. Some good thoughts Goldie, I feel like I am in a psychologist's session .

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all pain comes from the back.. or neck and all of it comes from some tension, sometimes from doing a job, but most often from functioning with to much emphasis on the or that movement.   relaxing foods will help, friends will help, but most of all compliance in things that are good for you.. insides and out.  

I have recently started a new form of exercise:

laying flat on the back putting my knees at comfortable right angels on the couch and staying there 20 minutes.  Arms comfortable next to you - then only slowly turn your whole hand, arm and shoulder in and out.  notice anything in your neck... maybe you need a small towel under your meck.. or even a thin pillow under your head. I needed it for one or two days but now I can use just a little towel and don't need all the pillows I used to use while sleeping.. I think I did most damage sleeping all cramped up.. no idea how..

all the best.. I would expect that injuries to last a month or so at least, or go away in a one day - someday.. if in the end nothing works please look at my signature for http://www.prolo.com meant to strengthen the tissue around the damage and so relieve the affected parts.. its sort of a one time treatment, but only done by a few.. http://www.advancedpainsolution.com for some details and a free long distance tel consult..    

I suffered for 22 years and more than 35 years with issues and so I have some suggestions along the lines..

if I did not say this before .. find a chiro in your area, that uses a Zyto http://zyto.com/index.html hand to test what sups you might need.. I did and it made all the nutritional difference also.. takes 5 minutes, no pains for any of my suggestions.. I am tired of pain.. for everyone..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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90 % of illness comes from emotions


In my opinion, this is too broad a generalization.  I agree that our biography can become our biology....but I don't think it's always the case.  

Every day I read of a new case of infant or childhood cancer.... Is that six month old child so angry they developed a brain cancer?

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all pain comes from the back.. or neck and all of it comes from some tension, sometimes from doing a job, but most often from functioning with to much emphasis on the or that movement.


Wrist issues can be due to misalignment at the wrist, at the elbow or even up to the shoulder. Imho, they don't necessarily have to originate in the spine.

In my bodywork practice I've worked on many wrists over the years. They can be realigned.

Sharing with the best of intentions.


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90 % of illness comes from emotions


.. stress injuries are not cancer..

but acerbated by emotions at at the time when injuries happens.. like too intensely acting on impulse or upset, easily adds a measure of strength or pressure so that it is easy to create a trigger point reaction..  

all else I have no issues with.. yes it can be treated, the question often is at how much over how long a time period.. and when it does not work then what next..

I also work with energy that might work just as well but when a person is in pain they need relieve.. been there done that.. and spent years chasing everything and everywhere under the sun..  

I got lucky and found what works on the say so of others who 'experimented' with pain..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Quoted from Goldie
all pain comes from the back.. or neck and all of it comes from some tension, sometimes from doing a job, but most often from functioning with to much emphasis on the or that movement.

There is way too much oversimplification in this statement!  There are so many different "reasons" that you feel pain, that I won't even begin to list them...  Ultimately, the pain response must pass through the spine to get to the brain and register, but that doesn't mean it originates there or that the back is the cause...  

In my case, much more has originated from external injuries and gut damage...


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.. stress injuries are not cancer..

but acerbated by emotions at at the time when injuries happens.. like too intensely acting on impulse or upset, easily adds a measure of strength or pressure so that it is easy to create a trigger point reaction..  

all else I have no issues with.. yes it can be treated, the question often is at how much over how long a time period.. and when it does not work then what next..

I also work with energy that might work just as well but when a person is in pain they need relieve.. been there done that.. and spent years chasing everything and everywhere under the sun..  

I got lucky and found what works on the say so of others who 'experimented' with pain..  


I respectfully disagree with your generalizations.


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I had this condition for a long time.  It was very painful.  The stresses and conditions that preceded my having this were: birth of my baby, lack of sleep, frequent hunger, etc.

It healed entirely on it's own but not without a few broken dishes (including some irreplaceable ones) and significant time.

I was breastfeeding and didn't want to do anything that would cause harm.  Also, I didn't have the means to pay for traditional medical care.  

I did discuss the situation with a family member who is a physical therapist.  She suggested that maybe once the ligament was healed, that the facia (connective tissue) had healed in a crossword pattern rather than threads that went the same direction.  

I cannot say whether her recommendations helped or not, but let me know if you want me to share them.

One day, I woke up, and I was entirely out of pain.  My estimation is that I had this condition for approximately one year or a bit longer.  
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I had this condition for a long time.  It was very painful.  ....

I did discuss the situation with a family member who is a physical therapist.  She suggested that maybe once the ligament was healed, that the facia (connective tissue) had healed in a crossword pattern rather than threads that went the same direction.  

I cannot say whether her recommendations helped or not, but let me know if you want me to share them.

One day, I woke up, and I was entirely out of pain.  My estimation is that I had this condition for approximately one year or a bit longer.  

A whole year, oh my God! Yes, Vicky, I would be very interested in the recommendations from your physical therapist.

I saw a physiotherapist two days ago and he suggested that I get a brace for my wrist and thumb (he ordered one for me). His idea is that I need to make sure I don't aggravate the condition. I asked him for some exercises and he said he would only recommend two, and with both I have to make sure not to move the wrist. They are very simple exercises, but I like them.
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When I got the De Quervain I was very angry that I had to move offices at work and threw away lots of stuff. Some was sensitive and so I tore it in pieces (good stress releaser), but 2 days later I had the De Quervain. So anger was definitely a reason.



this is Curios' own statement.. I reacted to what she said.. not to any other pains any other person has.. under this scenario it is often not recognized that we can do damage to our own body, by added adrenaline strength used during certain movements that inflame the body parts ..

is that clearer now?

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I saw a physiotherapist two days ago and he suggested that I get a brace for my wrist and thumb (he ordered one for me). His idea is that I need to make sure I don't aggravate the condition. I asked him for some exercises and he said he would only recommend two, and with both I have to make sure not to move the wrist. They are very simple exercises, but I like them. by Curios


if you deal with the emotions it will go away more easy..   but expect that it takes time.. acupuncture can help with both issues..    one good thing I know of when I am upset... is to slam a door.. I mean give it a whack.. like a car door slammed (not so gently) out in the wilderness.. or take a Kleenex tissue and 'beat' up a pillow and laugh..  then shrug your shoulders physically.. letting go..  ha-ha
all the best..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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I now got a brace to keep my wrist still and I also got some anti-inflammatory herbals. Hopefully that will help.
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Quercetin and bromelain may be helpful.  Support your thyroid, as well!  

I'll post soon with the steps - just want to be sure I get it correct.  Luckily, my condition corrected itself many years ago.  Whew, it was a long road.  
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