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Chloe
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This is hypothetical but I've always wanted to know the answer to this question...

Let's say a person has done a SWAMI but already knows they have insulin resistance.  They
list diabetes on their intake form...

So what happens now....They have the Diabetes health series book...and it clearly says that
for blood type A that dairy leads to insulin resistance.  But they're a Teacher and have been
given a lot of dairy on their SWAMI.

How is it possible that dairy affects insulin if you follow the Diabetes protocol but when you
do a SWAMI it gives you lots of diamond dairy foods.. Does your body know that dairy is okay
because SWAMI says it is??

Driving me crazy that I can't make sense out of this discrepancy.

If SWAMI is so smart, why give a person with insulin resistance so much dairy when a book written specifically to address diabetes clearly lists dairy as a  food to avoid.



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If the body is Teacher, then the insulin resistance prior to the diet was probably due to damage from other avoids.  

If they select insulin resistance in SWAMI, I would expect the diet would heal the issue, after which, the Teacher could re-run SWAMI without the insulin resistance to get back to a normal diet...

I don't think the body knows because SWAMI says...  I think SWAMI knows because Dr. D. knows the body and put that knowledge in SWAMI...  


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are you not doing ok following your swami report and frequency values given on all your food groups??


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As in general don't do well on dairy, and it can lead to insulin resistance. That's why the Diabetes Book states that As shouldn't have dairy when dealing with diabetes/blood sugar issues.

However, SWAMI takes into account many more variables than just your blood type. Each individual dairy product is evaluated for your body  (blood type, body measurements/genotype, current and potential health problems) and it may determine that a few specific cheeses are healing for you. These cheeses don't aggrivate insulin resistance for you personally, or they have only a slight negative effect on insulin but a powerful healing effect elsewhere in your body, and overall the food is healing for you.

The specific list of cheeses will vary from one person to another, based on what each individual can handle. Meanwhile, the BTD list is more general, and lists foods as "avoids" if most people in that blood type do poorly on it.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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The cheeses in the LR4YT book are recommended to Warriors, Gatherers, and Explorers more or less because they improve insulin resistance. I.E. they help you overcome it.

For Warriors the cheddar etc that puts stress on the body probably leaves the system weakened and unable to properly function, causing insulin problems.

The last time I ate tons of rice and vegetables I felt great but that was then, now I am not sure what is going on. Are you sure you are a Teacher?
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are you not doing ok following your swami report and frequency values given on all your food groups??


To be perfectly honest, this question was somewhat hypothetical because I was using the Diabetes book to help someone  who is diabetic....and this is someone who used to follow the type A diet and became a diabetic in the process.....Both of her parents are type 2 diabetics...
THis happened to her when she hit age 50...

She didn't follow it long enough to have used the Diabetic protocol...so I was trying to figure out a way to help her.  She looks to be a Teacher... she's got those obvious tendons....So when I read about blood type A  and the dairy issue, I wondered how dairy could be considered to cause insulin resistance and at the same time  Teachers are supposed to be eating dairy pretty often..How can it be both good and bad.... Even if my friend follows a SWAMI, she will get
cheese....

As a blood type A, she is controlling her blood sugar with a high protein, low carb diet....seeing
an acupuncturist and taking herbs he gave her...She is eating like an O to control diabetes yet
I feel helpless to help her.

I find it all very contradictory.  Why would anyone want to eat a food that is known to raise insulin resistance for their blood type?


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she definitely did not follow portion control when she followed her basic A diet
or perhaps she s a nonnie and followed the secretor A diet, then

there s always a logical reason behind this
Mercola also had the same problem while on his A diet......that should tell you something right there, no?


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Quoted from Lola
she definitely did not follow portion control when she followed her basic A diet
or perhaps she s a nonnie and followed the secretor A diet, then

there s always a logical reason behind this
Mercola also had the same problem while on his A diet......that should tell you something right there, no?


She never did a secretor test....Perhaps she is a nonnie...I will ask her if she wants to get the
test and find out.

As for following portions...she's a little person...weighs maybe 110 pounds so if she overate,
she'd have gained weight and she didn't.  She's a huge vegetable eater...She has problems
with high glycemic fruits and all the  grains...which she now doesn't eat.  She eats nuts,
seeds, protein, vegetables and good fats...but we were debating the issue of dairy...which
I read to her that the diabetes book says to avoid because it could raise insulin resistance...

And that's what brought me to ask this question.  Would all dairy raise her insulin?  Or
does SWAMI pick dairy options that wouldn't affect her insulin?  

The fact that she has two diabetic parents frightens her.

And I know, Mercola blames the A diet for his diabetes....I found the A diet had too much
starch for me as I got older. My SWAMI says I should not be a "starchitarian"...which makes
perfect sense to me.  My grain portions aren't plentiful...but dairy certainly is.  I could have
3 oz of cheese 4x a week.  I cut back to the minimum...1 oz. 4x a week.  It feels right!  



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I am an Explorer with a few Teacher tendencies. I get dairy 5X per week. Here is my dairy list via SWAMI. I was really suprised to get this much cheese when the A nonnie diet allowed very little. Yogurt is an avoid. When I changed my body type from mesomorph to meso-ecto I got these extra cheeses and also lamb, goat, mutton, and rabbit as diamond meats.

Superfoods
Cottage Cheese ◊
Feta Cheese
Ghee, Clarified Butter ◊
Mozzarella Cheese, all types
Paneer Cheese ◊
Parmesan Cheese ◊
Pecorino Cheese ◊
Quark Cheese
Ricotta Cheese
Romano Cheese ◊

Neutrals
Colby Cheese
Edam Cheese
Emmenthal, Swiss Cheese
Farmer Cheese
Gouda Cheese
Gruyere Cheese
Jarlsberg Cheese
Kefalotyri Cheese
Kefir
Manchego Cheese
Milk, Buttermilk
Muenster Cheese
Romanian Urda

Sugar, including HFCS, and processed carbs make me gain weight and have more of a tendency towards insulin resistance but not dairy or meat. These are my truths.


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She could CERTAINLY BE an Explorer and that would explain it all. Many things in the normal A diet could lead to body stress and poor insulin control. It sounds like she is shifting towards eating that way.
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So, let me ask you all this...Do you think SWAMI overrides the information in the Diabetes book?

Would that make more sense?  Rather than just know she's an A and follow the Diabetes book.
find out her secretor status and get a SWAMI?

Who is the Diabetes book for? Someone following the BTD?  Someone who isn't going to do
a SWAMI?

Because there is still a discrepancy in the dairy recommended for Teacher diabetics who follow
a SWAMI vs. the BT A diabetics who follow the BTD.  Obviously the Diabetes book doesn't
override a SWAMI...SWAMI overrides all of the health library books...  Right? or wrong?


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Quoted from Lola
she definitely did not follow portion control when she followed her basic A diet
or perhaps she s a nonnie and followed the secretor A diet, then

there s always a logical reason behind this
Mercola also had the same problem while on his A diet......that should tell you something right there, no?


I'm thinking if it's genetic...you're going to get Diabetes anyway. Then Dr. D has to tweak the diet for you personally to control it.  The GenoType diet is for young people who, eg: if  Mercola followed the diet, and then had children, his children and their children will not have the Diabetic gene like Mercola has. Mercola, however, will still have the diabetic gene, because it came from his grandparents, and his great grandparents.
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SWAMI definitely overrides any of the books. My SWAMI, besides combining the O diet and the Gatherer diet, accounts for my family history of heart disease, family and personal (gestational) history of diabetes,fibromyalgia,  my personal history of liver disease, and possibly my slight family history of cancer (I forget exactly how many relatives it asked about, and whether an aunt and one grandparent was enough to check the box or not.) Just on my own, I was feeling lost- do I follow the diabetes book or the arthritis book or the heart disease book- or drop them all and go to GTD?

Whatever I get on SWAMI overrides any of the books that were written for "the general population". There are 8 blood type diets (including secretor variations) plus 6 genotypes- but there are more than 14 different people in the world!


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Sugar, including HFCS, and processed carbs make me gain weight and have more of a tendency towards insulin resistance but not dairy or meat. These are my truths.


How can you tell is you are having insulin resistance, and what exactly is that?
I understand diabetes, but for others to have insulin resistance; how do you know?


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Good question because so many health problems resemble each other...
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How can you tell is you are having insulin resistance, and what exactly is that?
I understand diabetes, but for others to have insulin resistance; how do you know?


Weight gain, especially in the abdominal area and a rise in blood sugar. A rise in blood sugar above the reference value, but under the threshold for diabetes. If your fasting blood sugar after a 12 hour fast is 126 or above is a definitive diagnosis for diabetes. A triglyceride and LDL cholesterol level above the reference range. A HDL cholesterol level below the reference value and elevated blood pressure.

These are some of the symptoms of and most common symptoms of  insulin resistance and their are varying degree of it. Most type 2 diabetics are insulin resistant.

Bariatric surgery has helped and in some cases reversed diabetes in some of the most obese patients.

Not all diabetics are obese or even overweight, in fact, there are plenty of thin diabetics. My uncle was one of the thinnest ones.

I have major issues with corn syrup and especially high fructose corn syrup. Processed carbs are toxins for my Explorer GT.


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Weight gain, especially in the abdominal area and a rise in blood sugar..


Yep, I'll second that.  My blood sugar went up ... it's not high it's 90 but I'd like it slightly lower and I can't lose..having a tough time losing weight.
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So as I understand this now, a person who has done a SWAMI would have no need to go back and
follow any of the guidelines in the Diabetes book, even if they had diabetes.... SWAMI would have determined and calculated their insulin issues already....I  get it. Thanks...




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So as I understand this now, a person who has done a SWAMI would have no need to go back and
follow any of the guidelines in the Diabetes book, even if they had diabetes.... SWAMI would have determined and calculated their insulin issues already....I  get it. Thanks...


The SWAMI has a place for genoharmonic combinations and removing AGEs is one of them. If you need to remove advanced glycation products from your cell membranes then I would think SWAMI would make those foods avoids or black dots.


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