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Chloe
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My 70 year old female best friend was just diagnosed with shingles this morning.

She's blood type A.

So I'm already confused about what to tell her to eat for this reason.

Shingles is a re-activation of the chicken pox....which is a form of a herpes virus.  Herpes
viruses thrive on arginine and are calmed with lysine. (both amino acids)

My friend isn't on the BTD..but she eats fairly healthfully...and lately she's been incorporating
more vegetarian foods like brown rice, tofu, beans like lentils because I, her best friend am
trying to get her to eat more like an A.

But I want you to see this list of foods that are high in lysine:
fruit, vegetables, papaya, beet, milk/dairy, eggs, avocado, fish, poultry, brewer's yeast,
spouts...

This list is do-able from the perspective of her being a Teacher...and she rather looks like
she is...not very tall..blonde hair, blue eyes, obvious wrist tendons and always getting
bacterial infections and gut problems.

BUT, here is the list of foods high in arginine...foods that might feed a virus like shingles..
nuts, chocolate, carob, coconut, seeds, oats, white and whole wheat flour, lentils, brown
rice, peanut butter, soybeans/tofu, wheat germ.

Here's where I'm confused.

What do I tell her to eat while she's recuperating and taking anti-viral medication?  Low
arginine foods?  High lysine foods?  Or isn't this an issue?  I sort of feel it might be...And
should she take lysine in pill form?

I'd hate to think I "pushed" her body towards the high arginine side by suggestions of some
of those high arginine foods....I feel badly I might have given her body an opportunity to
get shingles...She normally doesn't eat high arginine foods.

And what about supplements? I read the anti-viral protocol for type A in the health protocols
so I know what to tell her about that.

Anything anyone with experience with shingles can tell me?

Thanks.  


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I would indeed steer her toward lysine rich foods and away from nuts and chocolate....and I wouldn't be hesitant to go with supplemental.....
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MORE IMPORTANT THAN anything is to have her see on MD for meds. so that the NERVE inflammation can be avoided.. A.. and IF she gets there soon enough  the first 24 or? 48 hours they might be able to give her a shot..

THIS is about food later but the above things are for immediate considerations...  



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shingles is a serious INFLAMMATION of the nerve pathways... can become extreemly serious... much worse then mere herpes.. I have seen people SUFFFER for years .. but if it's dealth with you can avoid that to a big degree. but time is not on her side... !

for Herpes Panthothenic acid from DR D at NAP.. They sell a higher dosage for it.. then take it for a year,,

he also actually has a pre-digested - sorry wrong word - Pathothenic-something that is much easier to absorb..  .


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Quoted from Goldie
MORE IMPORTANT THAN anything is to have her see on MD for meds. so that the NERVE inflammation can be avoided.. A.. and IF she gets there soon enough  the first 24 or? 48 hours they might be able to give her a shot..

THIS is about food later but the above things are for immediate considerations...  



Thanks Goldie ...she went to her MD today for a diagnosis.  When she described her rash to me
as burning and itching last night, I insisted she get to her doctor this morning because I just
knew it had to be shingles...  She's on 3 meds as of today at noon...slept all day...just wanted to steer her in the right direction for what to eat.  

NAP has a panthothenic acid supplement?  Do you know what it's called?  Could you please
give me a link so I could order it for her or do I have to call NAP directly?

And thanks Jayneeo ...My gut instinct told me to tell her to increase high lysine foods and hold back on arginine foods.

Probably should steer her towards the anti-viral protocol.




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My father is one of the unlucky ones whose nerve endings never fully healed after shingles. He has been in constant pain for about 6 years now. One of the reasons he has this condition (I think) is that he had just finished a round of chemotherapy for prostate cancer when he came down with shingles and I am sure his immune system was quite depressed from the chemo. Anything your friend can do to facilitate healthy healing would be beneficial. And rest, rest, rest as much as possible. Shingles are quite painful!! (I've had them before too)


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Lola, thanks, but this is the multi vitamin formula.  Are you suggesting I add this to the
anti-viral protocol for my friend?  Just a little confused because Goldie was talking about high
dose pantothenic acid..



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My father is one of the unlucky ones whose nerve endings never fully healed after shingles. He has been in constant pain for about 6 years now. One of the reasons he has this condition (I think) is that he had just finished a round of chemotherapy for prostate cancer when he came down with shingles and I am sure his immune system was quite depressed from the chemo. Anything your friend can do to facilitate healthy healing would be beneficial. And rest, rest, rest as much as possible. Shingles are quite painful!! (I've had them before too)


Sorry to hear this about your dad, Kristin...This is exactly what happened to my aunt who had shingles in her late 70s.  She lived with the pain for 19 years until she died...and got it years after having had a mastectomy for breast cancer. I suppose there is a high stress factor/low immunity component to all viruses...but I do know how awful the post herpatic neuralgia can be  from shingles.  Everyone is telling me the same thing...early treatment, lots of rest!~



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she might need all the vitamins she can handle

immune enhancing is key


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she might need all the vitamins she can handle


I agree, thank you



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immune enhancing is key, so that protocol needs to be pointed out


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immune enhancing is key, so that protocol needs to be pointed out


I assume you mean this: (the immune enhancing protocol for blood type A)

IMMUNE-ENHANCING PROTOCOLS

  Use this protocol for 4 weeks.

  BLOOD GROUP A
Zinc, 25 mg: 1 capsule, daily
Elderberry extract (Proberry Capsules): 1-2 capsules, twice daily
Larch arabinogalactan (Larix officinalis) �ARA6�: 1 tbsp, twice daily in juice or water
Sprouted Food Supplement (Live Cell A): 2 capsules daily
Polyvite A multivitamin: 2-3 capsules daily
Polyflora A (ABO Specific Probiotic): 2 capsule daily


Question:

My friend doesn't have anything respiratory going on...Would elderberry extract still be indicated for shingles?  Or does elderberry just enhance the overall immune system for As?


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best antiviral!


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you find elderberry in all these packs:

breathe easy, Immune Boost, Daily Essentials, complete fitness support, healthy resistance ... so it rates high as a disease fighter tool for As ...
http://www.4yourtype.com/searchprods.asp

You may find this other external link informative too:
http://www.medicinehunter.com/elderberry2.htm




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Thanks Lola...

And Cristina thanks to you too...... that's great information on elderberry.
(and your dog is amazingly gorgeous~)


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Call NAP.. 877 226 8973 they will tell you what its called .. panthinine or some such similar item... I just don't remember .. but NAP will help..   and have her stay on stuff passt the time of outbreak.. 500 mg a day for a month then 400 a day for a month and so reduce intil 100 and then stay on that for ever ..

Good luck.. you can see why I get so insistant on early intervention.. Rashes are not always easy to detect.. sometimes its just a pain where there was none before.. but reacting ASAP was a good thing from you I am happy about that..    


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Haven't had shingles but I suffer nearly constant tingling around the nose and a herpes breakout like paper cuts, and cold sores if I get too run down.  Took L-Lysine tablets for 4 months, developed burning in the kidneys (probably adrenal fatigue).  Also developed electrolyte imbalance (low sodium) and my anti-nuclear antibodies skyrocketed to 640:1.  Ended up with low grade fever, a butterfly shaped rash across the face and inflammation all over until I stopped taking it.  

I think it was drug-induced lupus (DIL) but haven't been able to verify that as it's not one of the drugs that are supposed to cause that.  Histones are composed of Lysine and arginine, the explorer diet is low in histones (e.g. wheat) so I wonder if that's why Lysine could have caused DIL?  Found this article though that Lysine may induce renal dsysfunction. http://cjasn.asnjournals.org/cgi/reprint/2/4/757.pdf

My point is, L-Lysine should be used with caution especially if she has renal problems or is an Explorer.

Since then I tried the high lysine diet.  Things have got much better following my SWAMI diet .  When I feel tingling I use a topical cream containing Aciclovir and that's working well though I've developed some pigmentation from where I used that.     Lucky I can have more meats and such on the Explorer diet now which has helped a lot.  

Also taking supplements and eating well to strengthen the immune system (have low IgM).  Taking low dose Zinc, vitamin A (caution), vitamin C, B complex.  Anti-viral protocols will have to check those myself.  Am drinking berry juice including elderberry and fighting the flu off pretty well!    Staying away from Drs offices is a great prophylactic too  

I wonder if she has a leaky gut?  She may need some gut repair help as well.

Sprouts high in lysine - will have to get into those!  Thanks


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Symbi,,, that is a scary post.. yes staying away form doctors is a good thing.. I only go to test stuff I need to look at.. compare and discuss..  and he is great for that.. I have ordered stuff from Nap and I feel strongly that we should try to take compliant stuff, just so we don't sabotage our self.

FOR fewerblisters, nothing like Panththenic acid.. take for 4-5 month cheap and it works.. if you can get 500 PER DrD for a bottle then lessen each month until 100 for a month .. and all should be much better..
and then whenever you may need again...


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Symbi, I read the article ...no mention of lysine
sorry you went through a rough time, not sure it was the lysine, though...
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Yes, Ask Doctor D'Adamo - Type A With Herpes
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php?blog=27&s=herpes&paged=2

Here is a source for the Licrogel:
http://www.beckernatural.com/
Lysine is the limiting amino acid in all cereal grains, but is plentiful in all pulses (legumes). Fish are also quite rich in lysine. Plants that contain significant amounts of lysine include:

    * Buffalo Gourd (10,130–33,000 ppm) in seed.
    * Berro, Watercress (1,340–26,800 ppm) in herb.
    * Soybean (24,290–26,560 ppm) in seed.
    * Carob, Locust Bean, St.John's-Bread (26,320 ppm) in seed.
    * Common Bean (Black Bean, Dwarf Bean, Field Bean, Flageolet Bean, French Bean, Garden Bean, Green Bean, Haricot, Haricot Bean, Haricot Vert, Kidney Bean, Navy Bean, Pop Bean, Popping Bean, Snap Bean, String Bean, Wax Bean) (2,390–25,700 ppm) in sprout seedling.
    * Ben Nut, Benzolive Tree, Drumstick Tree, Horseradish Tree, Jacinto (Sp.), Moringa, West Indian Ben (5,370–25,165 ppm) in shoot.
    * Lentil (7,120–23,735 ppm) in sprout seedling.
    * Asparagus Pea, Goa Bean, Winged Bean (21,360–23,304 ppm) in seed.
    * Fat Hen (3,540–22,550 ppm) in seed.
    * Lentil (19,570–22,035 ppm) in seed.
    * White Lupin (19,330–21,585 ppm) in seed.
    * Black Caraway, Black Cumin, Fennel-Flower, Nutmeg-Flower, Roman Coriander (16,200–20,700 ppm) in seed.
    * Spinach (1,740–20,664 ppm) in slant.
    * Amaranth
    * Quinoa.


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Do people here recommend the vaccine against shingles?, that can be given to people, usually 60 year and older, who had chicken pox, as children (predetermined, as a cause for getting shingles, I was told by a person who has shingles on her head, very painful, indeed.
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this from Dr. D:
".... So, I'd not worry too much about the arginine in the A diet, but I would endeavor to increase the levels of lysine."
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Do people here recommend the vaccine against shingles?, that can be given to people, usually 60 year and older, who had chicken pox, as children (predetermined, as a cause for getting shingles, I was told by a person who has shingles on her head, very painful, indeed.


Interesting... I've heard the opposite. When I had shingles back when I was 18 they thought it was because I didn't have chicken pox when I was a child. Well..... I did have them but I only developed 3 pox blisters, or whatever they are, and it was believed that I didn't have a strong immunity to the virus, thus I got shingles. And elderly people are susceptible to shingles due to their immunity weakening over time. I'm not sure that is actually true but that is what was told to me way back when. My mom says she will be first in line for the shingles vaccine as she has watched my father suffer with his condition.



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