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Chandon
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I found out I have an underactive thyroid and was happy to see I could check off having a history of low thyroid in SWAMI. I got a ton of changes that I like--many added protein choices and even more dairy! What floored me is that kelp and bladderwrack became avoids. I really doubt that I have Hashimoto's since I don't find that kelp bothers me. I often take 2 a day (each one has 100% of the recommended iodine). I know that seaweeds can be a problem with someone with Hashimoto's but thought they would be supportive for someone with a thyroid condition other than Hashimoto's. I think at some point I was taking a multi that didn't have iodine and thus started taking kelp. When I used a different multi with iodine, I continued the kelp. Has anyone else found the same result with SWAMI?

Also, I have basically all things that are applicable to me checked off. I know there was some discussion of foods moving back and forth for this or that reason and that they can cancel each other out. It seems like it makes sense, though, to check whatever is pertinent to your health history and that ultimately the right diet will result.

Soy remained pretty much the same, although I have 1 more soy superfood now, sprouted soy. I even got more cruciferous veggies--Brussels sprouts and cauliflower. My husband will be happy about that. Sole is now neutral!
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I really doubt that I have Hashimoto's since I don't find that kelp bothers me.


Think of it this way - I'm an 0+ Explorer who is not lactose intolerant and can eat regular bread without a hint of noticable stomach upset.  But the internal inflammation our bodies deal with from food are not always evident until much later when we "suddenly" develop arthritis, autoimmune diseases, irritable bowl, etc.  And be careful with your soy - make sure you get it from a reputable source (health food store) as it's genetically modified in this country and NOT good for you.  Educate yourself on it in relation to the excess estrogen you'll be getting from it.  Yes - I said estrogen - so if hubby is chowing down on it....

I have Hashimoto's and Hypothryoidism and know not to consume kelp or bladderwrack through research about my own disease.  I have to be very careful when taking any of the supplements through Dr. D's "0" profile as even the Deflect 0 has bladderwrack in it.  Just make sure you read the labels and you'll be fine.  

The only way you can find out if you have Hashimoto's is if your doctor ran a "TPO antibody" test along with your thyroid profile tests.  Most don't - for what reason I can't fathom.  I've been to 4 Endocrinologists and they all think inside one little box.  It's extremely frustrating.  

As an afterthought - please tell me you're NOT taking Synthroid~!  


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Right now I'm not taking anything. She ran a TSH and is ordering a T3 and T4 test. I left a message about a natural thyroid medication I heard someone recommend called nature-thyroid. I'm feeling really lousy, so I plan to get my blood test tomorrow. I went to an endocrinologist around a year ago and was told my thyroid was normal. I have a feeling he ran the TPO antibody test because he was suspecting I had some autoimmune issues, which I didn't. At the time I was doing South Beach, very close to phase I, so I was eating quite a bit of animal protein (likely more than I am now), and primarily beans for carbs. I'm wondering if that amount of protein support could have masked that I would normally have a low thyroid if it weren't for that diet.

I'll drop the kelp and see what happens. How do you feel with kelp and bladderwrack? I don't notice any effect.

All the soy I've been eating has been organic and/or non-GMO. Right now the only soy I'm getting is in the Type A protein powder. I was using organic soy milk, but dropped that. It's hemp milk for me.

On Friday, I had a scoop of that protein powder and also had some red beans, which I don't think are in SWAMI. I felt so incredibly tired and cold that day. I'm thinking it could be the red beans. I wonder if they suppress the thyroid. I guess that's possible as I think kidney beans really mess up the metabolism of Type As. Red beans could be in the same category. I had cooked up red beans and rice a few months ago to get rid of some beans I had and then froze some, so I was using that up.
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I left a message about a natural thyroid medication I heard someone recommend called nature-thyroid.

I felt so incredibly tired and cold that day. I'm thinking it could be the red beans. I wonder if they suppress the thyroid.



Nature-Thyroid is excellent.  The reason is because the thyroid naturally produces T1, T2, T3, and T4.  Synthroid is only T4.  The body is "supposed" to turn T4 into T3, which is the metabolism stoker and most important of the T's.  Not everyone's body does this efficiently (mine doesn't).  So when just giving Synthroid (T4), the majority of people never feel quite well again.  They just blame it on having thyroid disease, not understanding the process of the body.

Nature-Thyroid  contains T3 and T4, so it supplements your thyroid much better.  Others that do the same are Armour, Westhroid, or any other that has natural dessicated thyroid in it.  I take one without a prescription called Hypo-Support Formula sold through thyroidscience.com and formulated by Dr. John Lowe - a thyroid guru who has written research papers about thyroid disease and proper treatment.  He claims that only taking Synthroid actually suppress the thyroid from ever trying to recover on its own.  Do some research on his website - very informative.

You said you were very tired and cold.  That's not what you're eating - it's actually an indication of how you feel when you have untreated thyroid disease.  The lack of production of the T3 and T4 hormones causes the fatigue (they "stoke" your body with fuel for energy), and low body temperature (take yours -I bet it"s well below 98.6) is the result of a slowed metabolism (again no fuel for the energy to run your body).  

I so know how you feel~!   I hope you have good luck in getting back to feeling better.  And follow your diet - that will help your body to heal and thyroid to function properly again too  

Oh - to answer your question - I never take kelp or bladderwrack because I have Hashimoto's - iodine producing supplements are not good for autoimmune Hashi's.


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Thanks for all the good info! I do tend to have a temperature of 97.4 much of the time, but the day I had my blood drawn it was 98.1. I took it later that day or the next and it was 98.6! The last time I took it it was lower again. I have asked many times to have my thyroid checked and mention my temperature. The nurses and doctors love to say that 97.4 is fine.

I do know that about the kelp and Hashimoto's. I was just wondering if you had taken it before knowing you had Hashimoto's and felt adverse effects.

I have been able to lose weight for about 2.5 years. I'll lose up to 7 or 8 pounds, at the most, often less, and then regain it quite quickly. It's pretty frustrating.
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My body temperateure is never more than 97. I had my thyroid funtion tested and it did not reveal a blatant problem, but I don't know if the more sophisticated test measuring T3 was used. I am not sure what I should do for my thyroid, because both my mother and grandfather are blood type A ( like me) and had to take synthryoid for hypothyroidism ( which is suppossed to be more of a type O thing).


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I switched to Westhroid after Synthroid and am so relieved my doctor had no problem with my request to do this.  I love the Westhroid!     My thyroid was removed after a cancerous nodule was discovered in 2004.  After that, I had RAI (radioactive iodine) treatment.  I avoid kelp and any supplement that has iodine or any kind of seaweed in it..  The right amount of thyroid supplementation is so important and I hope you are prescribed the right amount.  You will be able to tell the difference if you are either underprescribed or overprescribed.  With the desiccated thyroid replacement I firmly believe the T1, T2, T3, and T4 all contribute to my overall well-being.   I certainly wish you well with your thyroid research journey.  
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Is synthroid dangerous?


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Hi everyone I am new to this Blood type diet. I am a o+.  I am 54 yrs. old. I have hypothyroidism but am currently being treated with a small amount of synthroid. I tried Armor thyroid but the doctor prescribing it to me didn't really know what he was doing I think. It is different in strength and how it works than synthroid. I no longer go to him.
I also have hemochromatosis. This is a genetic disorder where my liver stores too much iron. I have to donate blood to get the iron from building up to a toxic level in my liver. Do any of you have this that you know of also? It is common in people of European decent. It also causes fatigue when your iron is too high.
I also have Fibromyalgia and heart problems. Now you know too much eh?
I do have a question for you guys what is hashimoto's disease? All I know about me is that it seems like what ever I eat my stomach bloats up. I just hate it.
Since I just started on this diet 2 days ago I can use all suggestions as to how to make it a success.
Thanks for your input and support.  Cherie
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Is synthroid dangerous?


I don't regard it as dangerous.  It supplies T4, only, and relies upon your body to convert this to a goodly amount of T3.  For many people this does not work well.  Desiccated thyroid, such as Westhroid and Naturethroid, cannot be patented but Synthroid can.  Synthroid is a synthethic form of thyroid supplement.  I just think of it as being incomplete.
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I have had a couple of thyroid tests done at the hospital and they always came up normal.  However, my hands get cold a lot and my temperature struggles to ever be up at 98.6.  There are many times it's much lower.  My test my current doctor wants to run is:

TPO, Antithyroidglobulin, and reverse T3.  This guy seems to be on the cutting edge in many areas and always seems to do tests that go the extra length.  The others were TSH, T3 and T4.

I get muscled tested and I'm coming up positive for Armor.  But it has been backordered.  

What I have to add is that I took the fucus once and it didn't seem to sit well with me.  At least that's what I think it was.  But I do take iodine and that actually seems to help.  Why not take bladderwrack?


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I also have Fibromyalgia and heart problems. Now you know too much eh?
I do have a question for you guys what is hashimoto's disease? All I know about me is that it seems like what ever I eat my stomach bloats up. I just hate it.
  Cherie


Wheat will do that to an O.. cause Hashimoto's Dx, Fibro and bloating.
I suggest you  get a secretor test, it will make your life easier if you have this information.  Stay off the wheat please you will feel much better.



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  But I do take iodine and that actually seems to help.  Why not take bladderwrack?


For some reason, bladderwrack came up as an avoid for me. I do have history of autoimmune problems checked, but maybe it isn't appropriate. I have celiac disease, but maybe that doesn't really count as autoimmune. I had JRA as a child, an atypical form that was basically a diagnosis of exclusion and which may have been secondary to celiac. I have already checked off history of joint problems.

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I switched to Westhroid after Synthroid and am so relieved my doctor had no problem with my request to do this.  I love the Westhroid!     My thyroid was removed after a cancerous nodule was discovered in 2004.  After that, I had RAI (radioactive iodine) treatment.  I avoid kelp and any supplement that has iodine or any kind of seaweed in it..  The right amount of thyroid supplementation is so important and I hope you are prescribed the right amount.  You will be able to tell the difference if you are either underprescribed or overprescribed.  With the desiccated thyroid replacement I firmly believe the T1, T2, T3, and T4 all contribute to my overall well-being.   I certainly wish you well with your thyroid research journey.  


Thanks! Westhroid sounds like a good one. It will be interesting to see how my body responds to supplementation.

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I also have hemochromatosis. This is a genetic disorder where my liver stores too much iron. I have to donate blood to get the iron from building up to a toxic level in my liver. Do any of you have this that you know of also? It is common in people of European decent. It also causes fatigue when your iron is too high.
I also have Fibromyalgia and heart problems. Now you know too much eh?
I do have a question for you guys what is hashimoto's disease? All I know about me is that it seems like what ever I eat my stomach bloats up. I just hate it.
Since I just started on this diet 2 days ago I can use all suggestions as to how to make it a success.
Thanks for your input and support.  Cherie


Hi, welcome! I agree with Andrea that you might need to avoid wheat, or even all gluten, which causes bloating. Gluten is in wheat, barley, and rye. Oats, which contain a similar protein, can sometimes do the same thing.

Hashimoto's is an autoimmune form of thyroid disease. When you have that, iodine is supposed to be avoided.

I've heard of the the iron issue you mention. There was even a House episode where someone had that, I believe. I don't think that is something that affects me. I have a tendency for anemia and seem to need iron-rich foods.

I have to avoid all gluten, so sometimes we have to make some adjustments to our food lists. There is so much variety in the diet that I don't miss the wheat and gluten.

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Just bought some Fucus plus and it seemed to make my blood pressure raise and heart beat faster. There was some benefit though. So, I go back & forth. My hands stopped being cold, didn't feel tired after a meal, had more energy.

Does anyone know if there's a way to go to a Drug store where they can change the compound into a lesser mg? I'm not sure b/c it's got two ingredients, but I'm curious now.
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Hmm...this thread really makes me "think again" about my synthroid.  My thyroid was always sluggish and after radiation it went kaputski for the most part.  My temp is always low as well as my blood pressure (I was very upset and nervous the other day at the docs office and it still was only 110/60...when I'm relaxed it is about 96/58 or so.  My TSH is at a good steady level with synthroid and the doc says the T3 is fine but I wonder.  Once I give this diet a few months I may bug him at my next appointment for a change.  I'm fearful that I will feel worse but I know I struggle with being cold and just weary still.  We won't discuss the weight thing...
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SoulfulLori,
Do you know what your TSH reading was?  There's a range of what's OK and a lot of people feel better with the TSH between 1 and 2.
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I also have bladderwrack as an avoid, but I think spirulina was beneficial on my swami.  I had RAI for a nodule about 11 years ago.  Since then, I have been on synthroid.  I have read about all the reasons to take armour, and I agree.  But about a year back, I had all my levels checked, and they were all good, none in the low range, including the t3, reverse t3, etc.  I always wonder if my thyroid is still partially functional or not.  But I also do not have health insurance right now, so I really can't afford all the labs, md visits right now.  So I make do.  I definitely believe that wheat is a no, no for anyone with thyroid abnormalities, but it isn't the only culprit, mercury in old dental fillings may play a role in one developing the problem, but that's another long story.  
But above someone mentioned cold hands, that's thyroid, and bloating, digestion problems can also be
low thyroid, especially if constipation goes along with it.
I was never tested for Hashimotos, and wondered if that is what I had, since the nodule would feel sort of sore if I was ingesting iodine containing supps....
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Jane...my TSH the last time it was pulled was 1.2 ...I think.  I forget.  My doc keeps it under 2.  At points it dropped below 1 but he likes it between 1 and 2 as you say.  My latest workup will be mailed to me next week so I will check it all out and see what the other numbers are.

Paula...I'm sure there is info somewhere here but what is the link with wheat and thyroid???
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It's so hard to get it just right.  I just had one taken at the hospital when I went for a colonoscopy (they were taking blood anyway).  It was really low .058.  My PCP was concerned but my endo says it's OK for now.  I'll check it again in a couple of months.  The low reading might be partially because I didn't take any meds the day of the test.  It probably wouldn't have affected the levoxyl but the compounded T3 can really flucuate.  Last winter the endo lowered my meds and my TSH shot up to 5.  I was really dragging

I feel OK. I always have sleep issues - I don't think I know what it means to wake up refreshed.
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Hmmm...Jane...I've ALWAYS had sleep issues and feel like I've missed 40 years of sleep.  Is this related to thyroid??

Sorry for hijack of thread.

This thread was about kelp...
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Few years back was having lots of thyroid like problems, the naturopath tested my thyroid TSH was closer to 3 and after many months of natural support for thyroid and it not improving she decided my adrenals needed support and it was taking energy from TSH.  I think this actually started when I was in perimenopause, and now I'm past the one year of menopuase while I'm still feeling the cold and TSH still over 2 I'm doing a lot better.  Think I still need to work on this though. I'm also gluten/dairy/yeast sensitive, went gluten free before understanding about celiac tests and did not want to eat gluten to do the gold standard test.  On another thread under swami a person with thyroid problems said when she did the taster test early in the morning, it was slight, but late in day when her medication works and thyroid stronger the taster test is super.  I had the experience of the test being slight one day and much stronger another day, and it makes a difference of being Explorer vs Teacher.  anyone else notice anything with taster test like this?
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