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maukik
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I have been doing GT for 11 months.  I stopped eating wheat and sugar over a year ago.  My hair has been thinning, mostly on top.  I have seen my dermatologist.  He says it is female pattern baldness and nothing can be done.  My gyn, who manages my hormones, has attempted to help for several months to no avail.  I am beginning to wonder if being wheat-free is contributing.  The thinning started about that time and has only grown worse.  Any advise?  
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Are you having enough protein and keeping in check stress levels?  That is what it does it for me, but I am a warrior A.  




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I agree eat your protein levels and your fat portions.  It also happened to me.
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Yes, I am getting plenty of protein and good fat.  
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maukik
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I am not a person who worries.  I have had quite a bit of stress, but that has settled down months ago, still no improvement, only worse.  I am having my cortisol level tested tomorrow.
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2 kelp pills and 1 stress-b vitamins and 1 tsp fish oils with every meal.  I am a hair stylist, I see it all the time.  And every time someone listens to this, they reap the rewards.  


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Lots of good advice, here, and certainly you are doing the right things.  I would add even more biotin along with your B-Complex.  Plenty of vitamin D.  Be sure to have your thyroid checked.
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Sometimes the zinc/copper balance can be off. Some people lose hair with not enough zinc and some people lose hair with not enough copper. If you don't get enough copper in your diet, that can affect the thyroid. Hypothyroidism can be associated with hair loss. I think there is a lot of worry that there could be copper toxicity in this country, but I think that elsewhere, there is concern that too little copper can be causing heart disease and other ailments. In my case, I think I need to ensure that I get enough copper, which is something that goes along with being an Explorer. I guess you could see if you are getting more of one or the other in your supplements. Some cold lozenges contain zinc and could throw off your balance.
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I don't see any connection with going wheat free.  If anything, that will help your long-term health.  Sounds more like menopausal changes, if you are around that age level.  Our hair may grow in as usual but the follicles may be too small to contain the hair, so it falls out.  Extra Biotin, as suggested.  Seaweed in various forms.  I like Laminaria by Dragonherbs.  Grapeseed extract for a type of antioxidant that seems to help prevent hair loss.  



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Find this interesting study discussing both zinc/copper ratio and other elements like iron, folate, vit C affecting their bio-availability.

Very informative!  




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Biotin and folic acid.
Biotin needs to be a good quality, like Thorne.

Dr. D told me that women seem to get yeast/candida in the hair follicle as they age, it is one cause or hair loss, not all causes.

Biotin kills the yeast.






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Wow, thanks for all of the good tips.  I was wondering about zinc.  I eat a lot of red meat, so I thought it would be ok.  Maybe not enough copper?  I'll check that out.  I take T3, Cytomel. It hasn't helped. I eat oatmeal at least 4 times a week, but maybe need more biotin.  I have not taken any vitamins for quite a while.  Laminaria seaweed would be kelp, right?  Vitamin D level checked out ok. I'll definitely get and try all of the suggestions.
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Well, already, in searching my sources for good pharmaceutical grade vitamins, I am having a hard time finding B vits that are not from a corn source.  Any suggestions?  
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Well, already, in searching my sources for good pharmaceutical grade vitamins, I am having a hard time finding B vits that are not from a corn source.  Any suggestions?  


This is what would work best for a Nomad.   Contains biotin.
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GT6CAT

and any of these supplements. (multis contain Bs)
http://www.4yourtype.com/products.asp?dept=39

Corn free info
http://www.cornallergens.com/products/corn-free-medicines.php

This is a corn free B complex
http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=7257


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Take the Thorne Biotin 3 x a day and a folic acid supplement  biotin can be purchased on the internet.


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highest amounts of all B-vits, fermented millet should help as well,
stinging nettle lotion for some fine scalp massages.. vit.C and
MSM  (sulphur) or sulphuric bound aminoacids.....
and oop forgot to mention how silice is important for skin,nails and hairs .....


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Wow, thanks for all of the good tips.  I was wondering about zinc.  I eat a lot of red meat, so I thought it would be ok.  Maybe not enough copper?  I'll check that out.  I take T3, Cytomel. It hasn't helped. I eat oatmeal at least 4 times a week, but maybe need more biotin.  I have not taken any vitamins for quite a while.  Laminaria seaweed would be kelp, right?  Vitamin D level checked out ok. I'll definitely get and try all of the suggestions.


I discovered that right around the time I was switching off the Teacher diet and moving on to the Explorer one, I had definitely lost some hair. My hair is growing back in pretty well. I've been using blackstrap molasses again (has copper) and I believe that is helping, plus the diet as a whole (getting right balance of proteins) must be as well. I was dealing with tons of allergies (mold) and began getting candida while on the Teacher diet. I recently added back in 1000 mg of biotin, which I had stopped when I had to stop one of the Teacher genotype supplements. The hair regrowth began before adding the biotin.

The NAP supplement for the skin has some copper, so adding that would boost copper (obviously, you don't want to overdo the copper either. I had been using extra zinc in one supplement, so I've stopped taking that. I do get some zinc in another supplement that I'm continuing (also has copper).

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I discovered that right around the time I was switching off the Teacher diet and moving on to the Explorer one, I had definitely lost some hair. My hair is growing back in pretty well. I've been using blackstrap molasses again (has copper) and I believe that is helping, plus the diet as a whole (getting right balance of proteins) must be as well. I was dealing with tons of allergies (mold) and began getting candida while on the Teacher diet. I recently added back in 1000 mg of biotin, which I had stopped when I had to stop one of the Teacher genotype supplements. The hair regrowth began before adding the biotin.

The NAP supplement for the skin has some copper, so adding that would boost copper (obviously, you don't want to overdo the copper either. I had been using extra zinc in one supplement, so I've stopped taking that. I do get some zinc in another supplement that I'm continuing (also has copper).



Interesting Chandon.  By the end of my Warrior diet mistake, I was losing lots of hair...
It's growing back now on my Teacher SWAMI.  The right diet does work



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So true, Chloe. I have a feeling that many issues are a factor when it comes to our hair. I guess that if we are experiencing hair loss, we could potentially be on the wrong diet or not following it correctly. The right diet will provide the right proteins, fats, and minerals and, I would hope, help with balancing the gut flora so that candida doesn't take over (but sometimes other issues come into play), and help us have a balanced pH. Maybe in that situation, our thyroids will be healthy, and our hair will be too.
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Very nice Chandon..  


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Chandon.. my problem in the last weeks ..months  was also hairloss..coz of menopause...teribly and even with all kinds of * recipes* nada worked... so I implemented another product... about 100 mg's of all B-vits. u.a. and then it stopped... mann but  my hairs thinned... b..aaa..
tried  *millet*... you can forget it.. that doesn't work as no other grains would... ...


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Chandon.. my problem in the last weeks ..months  was also hairloss..coz of menopause...teribly and even with all kinds of * recipes* nada worked... so I implemented another product... about 100 mg's of all B-vits. u.a. and then it stopped... mann but  my hairs thinned... b..aaa..
tried  *millet*... you can forget it.. that doesn't work as no other grains would... ...


I agree with the B-vits.  Taking extra biotin along with the B-Complex does work well.
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Chandon.. my problem in the last weeks ..months  was also hairloss..coz of menopause...teribly and even with all kinds of * recipes* nada worked... so I implemented another product... about 100 mg's of all B-vits. u.a. and then it stopped... mann but  my hairs thinned... b..aaa..
tried  *millet*... you can forget it.. that doesn't work as no other grains would... ...


That's great the B's are helping. Maybe your Explorer diet will help rebuild your body and you'll see some benefits in terms of the hair. If you have blackstrap molasses, I would include that.
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Amazone, I am also menopausal.  My hairloss started when I was well into it.  I am having my hormones tested again after the holiday.  I may need more progesterone.  I read that could be the situation. In the meantime, I have ordered all of the recommended vits.  Also, eating blackstrap molassas.  
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I think I get allergic to my B vitamins, so I haven't been using them much. I'm going to get some that are yeast-free.
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