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I have found zero information as to why non-secreters exist.

Yes I know about the gene on chromosome 19. It means nothing to me. It explains nothing.

From an evolutionary stand point why would we ever develop? We are inferior and that confuses me as to why we would of come about. I guess the A1/A2 argument applies to some degree except if A2 can eat more meat I think that sort of speaks for itself.

Yeah I want to know why. I want to understand why genetically everything important to me is not going to be there.
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Non-secretors seem to get less cancer and seem immune to some viral infections.


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"Non-secretors seem to get less cancer and seem immune to some viral infections" And you say nonnies are "inferior" DofS doesn't sound like it!!??  
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Soo I can start smoking cigarettes! but if I do get cancer Chemotherapy will not help... still sounds nice.

I can see no reason why it could be valuable to be a non-secreter except if a viral epidemic came. You are still going to have bad teeth and probably be overweight and prone to a bazillion other things.
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nooo boy... we aren't inferior.... I get stomach cramps with that word!!! .....

we are the funniest,nicest,respectfulliest, greatest and so on royal bunch on earth....even with some poundies more lovable and insightful.... ..... I think also here the rule of 20/80% makes the world go round  ......

and what else..... ......
ahh  forgot to reply...why we do exist...coz you choose it....and it was clearly ad definitio well prepared .....even loooong times ago.....
the essence is the true master ...........

Peter, sorry but mostly *my* nonnie-clients show up the highest issues to cancer.... ....are there any differences between EU & USA ....significant differences clarro coz of foods etc... but not necessarily coz of genetical issues ....


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If you think that's weird, check out my new thread: why do rhnegatives exist? and if you google it, you will really be in for a ride....from ET origins to reptilians....to Atlantis! Great fun!
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I'll tell you one reason I'm glad I'm a non-secretor. . .
because if I had been a secretor, I don't think I would have taken my health as seriously and followed the plan of eating for my own type as consistently as I do now.

I've never been a person to stop a bad habit until I was hit in the face with a really good reason to do it.  I followed the BTD loosely for about 1 1/2 years, eating mostly neutrals with a few beneficials and some avoids every day.  I could have continued like that forever except that I decided to get my secretor status tested.  When I saw that I am a nonnie, all my ambivalence vanished.  I no longer was careless with my health.  I took full responsibility for my own well-being and was thrilled that I had the tools to manage my health in a successful way.

This is not to say that I think secretors don't take their health seriously, but I didn't take my health that seriously as long as I thought I was a secretor.  I thought it was no big deal if I didn't really eat what was best for me.  I thought my body could handle it.  As a non-secretor, I know my body can't handle it, and therefore my choices are easy and my life is simple.  




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I have found zero information as to why non-secreters exist.

Well, I don't know about you, but I was put here to find out the ending to "LOST".



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Soo I can start smoking cigarettes! but if I do get cancer Chemotherapy will not help... still sounds nice.

Smoking cigarettes sounds nice to you?  AND you don't like the Beatles?  Someone, take over here, I can't relate!     

Seriously, here's one for you:  As an O, I have thin blood.  But non's have thick blood.  So, as an O non, my non-ness evens out my O-ness and my blood is actually the perfect thickness!

Yeah, baby.

...Of course, that doesn't really help you as an A, does it?  All the more reason to follow the A diet, my friend, because it will help keep your blood at the perfect viscosity!



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took full responsibility for my own well-being and was thrilled that I had the tools to manage my health in a successful way.


that s what this journey is all about! summarized in one sentence!

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and therefore my choices are easy and my life is simple.


perfect!


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I can not stop thinking, like ever, but...

My conclusion of learning several things might be that non-secretors pre-date secretors. Secretion may be an adaptation to agriculture and forceful food use. Perhaps that is VERY WRONG but evidence thus far points that way. After all what use is cancer and anti-viral ability except in pre-developed societies of people. My thoughts being that Basque people are general non-secreters (no proof but given what we know, what Dr. D has mentioned)also resembling closest older variations of humans (paleolithic), and the other closests removed from modern man would be Africans showing large numbers of non-secreters.

Further more if Blood Type A is the first known blood type it would only make sense that for other blood types to develop it would be easiest in an environment with less potential threats or triggers for a response. An example being a mother non-secreter. The same goes for intermingling of blood types without bad pre and infant mortality such as in Basque history. This goes way deeper so I am not going to type it all out till I confirm more suspicions as being real possibilities.

This is a whole other subject leading to a multitude of things and I am going to be talking to some professors if I get the chance to explore the idea.

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other closests removed from modern man would be Africans  


Hey.....Careful.  

According to my geneticist husband, the difference between the darkest of the dark in Africa or Australia.....and me (and I am about as white as you can possibly get)....is so small genetically speaking as to be laughable.


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Further more if Blood Type A is the first known blood type it would only make sense that for other blood types to develop it would be easiest in an environment with less potential threats or triggers for a response.


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Ribbit you are not comparing genetic expression on a time line, I am. Mine would show colonization being pushed back to a much later date than a lot of the world. That also means agriculture etc.

Fernando current findings are that Type A is the oldest blood type. Type O is thought to be a mutation.

I would not propose that the oldest Type A blood shared anything in common with a "Teacher" or "Warrior" but rather an "Explorer". Well to put it blunt the old forms of Type A meant nothing as their genetic expression in no way resembled the Type A of today.
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I'll tell you one reason I'm glad I'm a non-secretor. . .
because if I had been a secretor, I don't think I would have taken my health as seriously and followed the plan of eating for my own type as consistently as I do now.
I've never been a person to stop a bad habit until I was hit in the face with a really good reason to do it.


AmEn!  was just about to say the same thing.   ;    Being more sensitive to food and the environment keeps me on the right side of the line


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Do nonnies heal faster from physical trauma?

This has been my hypothesis as to the benefits of Nonnie-hood.  I heal quickly; really quick when I am in good health. The pre-antibiotic selection advantage of healing quickly would be hard to imagine these days.

Does anyone else heal quickly?

DoS, you are looking at the ABO typing in isolation and it never developed in that manner. This analytic tendency is the Achilles heel of western science.

Explorer could likely be the oldest simply because the ABO factor is not distinguished and since the Rhesus and Secretor genetic defensives where later adaptations. So we start with Explorers then get either Rhesus or Secretor breaking the first group into an initial alternative, which then fragments into A secretor (Teachers)  and O secretor (Hunters & Gatherers.) Then B mutation parallels Nomads from those who would otherwise be Hunters and Warriors from Teachers. The Warrior group straddles the B/non B divide and the Nomad straddles the A/non A divide from the nature of the AB co-dominance.

Co-development requires of us co-analysis.


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Do nonnies heal faster from physical trauma?

This has been my hypothesis as to the benefits of Nonnie-hood.  I heal quickly; really quick when I am in good health. The pre-antibiotic selection advantage of healing quickly would be hard to imagine these days.

Does anyone else heal quickly?


I heal incredibly fast when I am in balance. When I'm not in balance, I feel very vulnerable.  

Today I was thinking that my health is like a butterfly:

beautiful and radiant, amazing and splendid  
but . .
delicate and fragile and can be damaged (even destroyed) through carelessness.

Hope this doesn't sound just too weird.  



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Let me not pass you by in quest
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Fernando current findings are that Type A is the oldest blood type. Type O is thought to be a mutation.



Yes, that's what DH says.  He says, and I quote him as he's standing here, "There are two types of Os in the world.  Most Os are an A mutation.  Some are not."  (I assume those two types of Os would be two different genotypes.)  Dr. D would say there are more than just two, and we see that played out in the GTD.  DH hasn't read the GTD book, he just eats what I put in front of him and says he feels better on the Nomad diet.    I asked DH for more clarification and he said he's already explained it all here before, a long time ago.  I don't know where that is, but I do seem to remember him typing for a long, long, long time one evening a couple of years ago.  


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AmEn!  was just about to say the same thing.   ;    Being more sensitive to food and the environment keeps me on the right side of the line


Yes, tell it like it is!  



Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.
Let me not pass you by in quest
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I heal very quickly.  I didn't used to.  Pre-BTD, any scratch or scrape on my skin would get infected. I didn't often get sick as a child, but when I did, I stayed sick for a long time.  I've had the "biggies" that other people don't get, but then I wouldn't get things like stomach viruses that everybody else got.

Now I heal very quickly with the exception of when I eat a plant in the nightshade family.  It will still take me 2-3 months to work through a nightshade reaction.  The time and severity can be somewhat decreased by taking 6 Deflects a day, every day, until it's all cleared up and gone away.  I do have to say that the longer I'm on the Warrior diet, the less severe my reactions are, but they are still pretty awful.  Working through one now.  I was exposed to paprika/red pepper about a month ago.


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O nonnie here and I can heal extremely quickly.  Had to get an Achilles repaired on April 15 by mid June I was playing golf, riding a bike and hiking.  My surgeon said at 2 months I was healed like most of his patients at 4 months.

My O son, needed to get his shoulder repaired at the end of August.  He saw the surgeon last week (1 month) and she said he was already at 2.5 months healing.

Never seem to get scratches or scrapes or bruises that need any attention. But my kids and I do scar quite badly but never get infected.  A husband buys polysporin by the bucket as hang nails can even turn on him.

I don't know if it is a result of the diet or of being O's....
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Do nonnies heal faster from physical trauma?

This has been my hypothesis as to the benefits of Nonnie-hood.  I heal quickly; really quick when I am in good health. The pre-antibiotic selection advantage of healing quickly would be hard to imagine these days.

Does anyone else heal quickly?

DoS, you are looking at the ABO typing in isolation and it never developed in that manner. This analytic tendency is the Achilles heel of western science.

Explorer could likely be the oldest simply because the ABO factor is not distinguished and since the Rhesus and Secretor genetic defensives where later adaptations. So we start with Explorers then get either Rhesus or Secretor breaking the first group into an initial alternative, which then fragments into A secretor (Teachers)  and O secretor (Hunters & Gatherers.)


I'm not so sure, Paul C......the O, Rh-negative is controversial...some say it is neanderthal.....(Basque)

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paul...good ideas   and when did the nonniehood appear ..... ....


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Healing faster from physical trauma would be VERY beneficial to paleolithic people due to the fact that the farther you go back the more a physical ailment meant death. This could be a genetic trait carried over. A healing difference people on the BTD forums inherited from ancient times but may go well with being a non-secreter.

Healing fast when "in-tune" would show the characteristic of importance of origin and native food supplies being a reliance for health in earlier humans that did not secreter, as opposed to an adaptation you carry with you (secretion).

Paul I think the co-existence structure is a little more complicated, but yes I believe it happened something like that. I will point out that Native Americans are all secreters. I would suspect the reason being that they moved the farthest from origins so they had to adopt secretion much stronger and faster than anyone else who was slowly developing the need from agriculture and slow migrations. Which is why no non-secreters are found within the Native American lineage but is still present everywhere else that had access to non-secreter mixing and experienced slower need for adaptation. If non-secreters could exists in areas natural to them they would almost always remain present there, such as in some areas of Europe or Africa. That ever existence keeps the non-secreter gene cycling while it disappears "overseas" in the Americas.

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I'm not so sure, Paul C......the O, Rh-negative is controversial...some say it is neanderthal.....(Basque)



Um no... not neanderthal... but possibly genetically closely related or characteristic. At least my understanding from anthropology - although limited - is that we are not genetically showing signs to have neanderthal ancestry.

I would propose that the RH negative expression came first. It would make more sense to be lacking before having.

This leads to the proposition that perhaps different types of homo-s (erectus, sapian, etc) intermingled to create the variations of blood types and expressed epigenetical phenotypes.

Why non-secreters do not have to resemble "explorer" or paleolithic people

Whether we like it or not we can inherit the non-secreter expression. For example a Warrior of the Mediterranean area breads with an Explorer from the Basque region. You get a non-secreter Warrior. The physical speciality of the warrior is expressed - then epigenetic phenotype - but so is the non-secretion characteristic of someone who is not specialized and more dependent on specific food a paleolithic person would of adapted too rather than learned to tolerate (by secretion).

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I heal fast too.


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paul...good ideas   and when did the nonniehood appear ..... ....


I believe the question would more likely be when did secreters appear!
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