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Gale D.
Sunday, August 23, 2009, 8:07pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I made up this temporary chart so I don't get confused! Since I plan to use SWAMI pro, I had to find a way to learn ulnar versus radial.

I reviewed all fingerprints that I've taken so far. By comparing each print to this chart, I realized I recorded some backwards.



FINGERPRINT CHART

Hint: A Loop flows in from the opposite side of a Delta.

Hold a Loop fingerprint up to the sections below.  

A Loop, exactly as it looks on the paper, is Ulnar or Radial accordingly:

Right Hand

Ulnar


Radial


Left Hand

Ulnar



Radial




of course... if this is wrong, someone please let me know!  




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So if I'm looking at them not on paper it would be the opposite, right?  Just looking at them on my finger?  Because I can see them well.


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So if I'm looking at them not on paper it would be the opposite, right?  Just looking at them on my finger?  Because I can see them well.


I really have no idea.  Don't make me think about it  

I got so freaking confused! I was forced to make this chart so that I do not have to even think about it. I don't have to determine the difference between what is on the paper and what is on the hand as it is facing me or facing away from me... etc.

All my life I have had extreme difficulty with left and right. When I was young I had to wear a ring on my right hand to remember the difference.




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So if I'm looking at them not on paper it would be the opposite, right?  Just looking at them on my finger?  Because I can see them well.


Try this. Clear your mind and forget everything you've read about this issue, OK?

Now, both on paper (assuming you've got all the prints lined up from D1 to D5)and on your hand, regardless of which hand you are looking at, look at the base of the loop/s;

If it curves/flows towards your pinky = ULNAR

If it curves/flows towards you thumb = RADIAL


It really is that simple.



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Quoted from JJR
So if I'm looking at them not on paper it would be the opposite, right?  Just looking at them on my finger?  Because I can see them well.


Yes.  

When you look at them on the finger:

An ulnar loop will start with ridges flowing in from the little finger side of the finger curve around and come back out towards the little finger.  The curved portion of the loop (the part that is like the bottom of a letter U will point towards the thumb. (true on either hand.

The radial loop is just the opposite the enter the finger from the thumb side curve around the loop and then exit again on the thumb side (Thus the top or open part of the letter U points toward the thumb.)  The curved portion of the radial loop points toward the little finger.

The fact that you can see the prints distinctly indicates good gut health so-- Congratulations! for taking care of yourself well.


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My chart requires no thinking. True, most people figuring out just their own genotype won't need it, but if one does up to a hundred,  I think it will be helpful, especially if you can't consistently remember C_sharp's directions.  




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Actually, I really had to look at the chart and think about it, especially since there are no hands to compare the fingers to.  

There are two bones in the lower half of the arm:  the radius and the ulna (paying attention in the anatomy class I took in high school 25 years ago has finally paid off .  The radius is on the thumb side, which is why the thumb can spin (or rotate) and the ulna is on the pinky side, and since it's a shorter word, it's on the side of the little finger.  So if the arch points to the thumb, on either hand, it's radial; if it points to the pinky, it's ulnar.  And it works on paper or just looking at the fingers.




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Actually, I really had to look at the chart and think about it, especially since there are no hands to compare the fingers to.


Once you have a print on paper, no thinking required! Just hold it up to the chart.  




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Quoted from Plucky

There are two bones in the lower half of the arm:  the radius and the ulna (paying attention in the anatomy class I took in high school 25 years ago has finally paid off .  The radius is on the thumb side, which is why the thumb can spin (or rotate) and the ulna is on the pinky side, and since it's a shorter word, it's on the side of the little finger.  So if the arch points to the thumb, on either hand, it's radial; if it points to the pinky, it's ulnar.  And it works on paper or just looking at the fingers.


Thanks Plucky, that's a good mnemonic to easily remember two bones in your wrist.  Thanks for teaching us on here.  Won't forget that now, ulna near to your little finger, clever!

D_Gale19 - I get right and left mixed up sometimes too!

In the GTD book it says:
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D_Gale19 - I was reading on another thread that you are a slow acetylator and that you have autoimmune disease (Explorers are prone to these).  Are you sure you're not an Explorer?  Measurements between explorer and teacher can be very similar from what I've been able to ascertain.  

Maybe if the Teacher diet doesn't work for you, I hope you'll try Exploring after that.


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D_Gale19 - I was reading on another thread that you are a slow acetylator and that you have autoimmune disease (Explorers are prone to these).  Are you sure you're not an Explorer?  Measurements between explorer and teacher can be very similar from what I've been able to ascertain.  

Maybe if the Teacher diet doesn't work for you, I hope you'll try Exploring after that.



I got a brand new fabric tape measure, so I'm going to re-do my legs. It's really much more difficult to do with a metal tape measure, you know? I'll post if my results say something besides Teacher. I'd be quite shocked if so.

added after remeasuring:  Well, nope... even if my lower legs are longer than upper, I'd come out Warrior, not Explorer.
I posted about which bump to measure to on the knee since I have to prominent bumps. The one nearest the front of the knee does make my lower leg longer.

As far as autoimmune being an Explorer thing, I've also had skin cancer, thrombosis and a minor stroke, and many years of PTSD and clinical depression, which are also from genotypes other than Teacher.





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it is the bump on the side you want to focus on


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Quoted from Gale D.

As far as autoimmune being an Explorer thing, I've also had skin cancer, thrombosis and a minor stroke, and many years of PTSD and clinical depression, which are also from genotypes other than Teacher.


Gee D_Gale19 I send you a hug for all you've been through and hope that you are feeling better now.  

Your SWAMI will be interesting!  I've been following your posts as I too feel like I am a mixture of different genotypes too (and we both have rare tented arches!).  Explorer seems to fit me most though.  You seem stronger on the warrior type.  Warriors are supposed to follow a mental task tirelessly until they work it out - it seems you're doing that with genotyping!!

When I followed the blood type diet for A I enjoyed most of the teacher foods and it improved my health alot.  Now I know that explorers have problems detoxifying and aceytelating, and antioxidants help alot with that!  All of the diets are good I think.


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I just remember it because from the center of your body, everything on the outside would be the radius of a circle if you drew one around yourself.  So in the anatomical position (palms facing forward) your thumbs stick on the outside, on the "radius" of the imaginary circle.  And "ulnar" is just... the other one.  lol


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You seem stronger on the warrior type.  Warriors are supposed to follow a mental task tirelessly until they work it out - it seems you're doing that with genotyping!!


Yes, I can grab on and not let go until I've grasped something. I have been known to work 12-14 hours a day learning some new thing. If it's not really fun and interesting, I won't bother.

The work that I find the most fun/interesting is the opposite for most people. 60 out of 365 applicants made it through the application process to join the project.

I have always had extreme difficulty with left-right, and taking something 2-dimensional into the 3-dimensional, so having a card in front of me to which I can compare a printed fingerprint makes it easy and frustration/mistake free. After I made that card I had to change 8 fingerprints for 4 people, even though I was careful as I could be when I wrote them up the first time.

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Gee D_Gale19 I send you a hug for all you've been through and hope that you are feeling better now.


Thanks Ghee. I feel I am a stronger and more compassionate person for what I've been through. This life is but preparation for the never-ending spiritual journey that follows.




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Thanks Ghee. I feel I am a stronger and more compassionate person for what I've been through. This life is but preparation for the never-ending spiritual journey that follows.


I also enjoy detail and routine work.  At home I have a librarian like catalogue of dvds categorised by rating and genre!  Handy when you want to see what you can watch with your kid.

Inspirational words, thanks DG.



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Can anybody clarify whether an ulnar loop on one hand and a radial loop on the other (ring fingers) qualify as different fingerprints.  Trying to figure out if I'm Explorer or Warrior.  All other fingerprints are radial loops except for left index finger that has an arch (I think - actually it looks more like some sort of arch-loop combination)!
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a loop is a loop.....same thing


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