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Shelly
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I have low stomach acid, which causes the same problems as high stomach acid -indigestion, bad stomachache, and belching. Normally for years I would take apple cider vinegar and it helped a lot to make more stomach acid and alleviate the symptoms, but it's an avoid on my Swami now.

I stopped taking apple cider vinegar several months ago and now the symptoms are back.

Are there any other ways to help increase stomach acid?
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ginger....


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The obvious thing to replace the vinegar is to drink lemon juice and water (See page 203 of Eat Right)

Other options:

Take vitamin C at the beginning of your meals (or think about foods high in Vitamin C)

Take Betaine hydrochloride with meals

Use digestive enzymes

Incorporate fermented foods that are compliant






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ginger....



Oh!  What kind of ginger- does ginger root tea and ground ginger quality too?  Or is it just the actual ginger you buy in the supermarket?
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The obvious thing to replace the vinegar is to drink lemon juice and water (See page 203 of Eat Right)

Other options:

Take vitamin C at the beginning of your meals (or think about foods high in Vitamin C)

Take Betaine hydrochloride with meals

Use digestive enzymes

Incorporate fermented foods that are compliant


I thought lemon was alkaline once it reached the stomach, so I didn't bother.  Oranges are an avoid.  Can you find betaine hydrochloride anywhere you find other supplements?

I tried enzymes but found no change, and fermented foods like yogurt and kefir and sauerkraut are an avoid too.
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because of their sensitive digestive tract and naturally low stomach acid, which they have in common with Type A's, AB's need smaller and less frequent portions.

fresh ginger is potent!


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I drink the ginger smoothers which are great. I do half white tea and half of the ginger smoother. Warm it up and drink first thing in the morning. I like the papaya enzymes. I keep those in my purse all the time for a pinch. I get the ones w/chlorophyll.

http://www.gingerpeople.com

http://www.internatural-alternative-health.com/SCAT/AMERICANHEALTH_5797.cfm
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I too suffer from low stomach acid. Foods like red meat and nightshade caused me awful GERD-like symptoms. For many years MD's diagnosed me with GERD and put me on prescription anti-acid medications, which I think almost killed me.

An ND saw me for five minutes and said I had low stomach acid. He prescribed Wobenzyme systemic enzymes.




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An ND saw me for five minutes and said I had low stomach acid. He prescribed Wobenzyme systemic enzymes.


Do you have to have a prescription for that or can you buy it OTC? Wonder how the ND new so fast. What symptoms gave him/her the clue. Also, did you cut the red meat consumption down or out. I hardly ever eat red meat. Once in a while if my husband has a steak I might take a small taste and that's it.
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Do you have to have a prescription for that or can you buy it OTC? Wonder how the ND new so fast. What symptoms gave him/her the clue. Also, did you cut the red meat consumption down or out. I hardly ever eat red meat. Once in a while if my husband has a steak I might take a small taste and that's it.


My ND was also trained in Chinese medicine, and is one of the best in the U.S. He goes to China every once in a while to train students in acupuncture and other natural modalities.

He feels your pulse, smells you, looks at your eyes, tongue, fingernails etc... then lists out the things you suffer from. It's uncanny. I once had a doctor in China do the looking and smelling thing  - he told me I had an enlarged spleen and gave me some Chinese medicines that did help my symptoms.

I have probably referred 20 people to him, and they all say he helped them a great deal.

The first thing my ND said at my first appt after looking me over -- "keep eating your eggs, they are one of your best foods". I have no idea how he knew that, at the time, one of the few foods I could eat w/o reacting was eggs.

He diagnosed me with Epstein-Barre after we discussed my symptoms for 10 minutes. No MD, throughout the 20 years of being sick, ever suggested that. I'm on 2 new treatments that he thinks will make me well -- high-dose Valtrex (newly on-label), and low-dose Naltrexone (still off-label). My symptoms have improved about 50% in 2 months.

You can purchase Wobenzymes over the Internet. Prices have come down, so do a comparison to get the lowest.

Yes, I cut out all red meat, tomatoes and potatoes for about a year. 3 days after I cut them, my GERD symptoms disappeared and only returned twice -- when I consumed steak and potato together.

I only eat the occasional hamburger now, and even more occasionally half a small fresh tomato or handful of french fries.

It's a good thing my hubby thinks 8 second long belches are funny.




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That's great Gale. I had a similar experience when my son was small and he kept getting reoccurring ear infections. I took him to a ND(Philippian)  which gave him an excellent physical and also looked at his fingers. She mashed on his nails. I was just so impressed by the time she took with him and he became so much healthier. He has not had an ear infection since. He is 17 now.

There should be more ND around. I have to drive over an hour to even find a ND. But once you find a good one your life is so much better.
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Quoted from Shelly
I have low stomach acid, which causes the same problems as high stomach acid -indigestion, bad stomachache, and belching. Normally for years I would take apple cider vinegar and it helped a lot to make more stomach acid and alleviate the symptoms, but it's an avoid on my Swami now.

I stopped taking apple cider vinegar several months ago and now the symptoms are back.

Are there any other ways to help increase stomach acid?


HI,
You can get betaine HCl from any health food store.  There's a step up system you can use.  You start w/ one & wait a couple days, if nothing happens, take 2, etc. This is done w/ all your meals.  Buy Dr. Johnathan Wright's book "why stomach acid is good for you" from Amazon.  
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Oh, and the most important, follow your diet !
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I thought lemon was alkaline once it reached the stomach, so I didn't bother.


The people who play the acid alkaline food game frequently claim that lemons make the body alkaline.

The same people often make that claim for apple cider vinegar as well.

Lemon juice has a pH of 2.0 to 3.0 fairly strong for food.

Vinegars have a similar pH range of 2.4 3.4




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WOW.  There really are so many options...I follow my diet to a tee, and I have started drinking ginger tea.  I will start adding lemon juice too- it's a diamond for me also. I'll look into betaine hydrochloride and the Woboenzymes if these fail.

D_Gale:  It's always the overseas MD's that are really amazing, isn't it?  My MD was quick to prescribe an antacid off the bat and it made me feel worse!  
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wobenzyme is a fine option, some of my patients weren't happy about the
red colour...but ther's a little brother of wobenzyme....all are against
inflammations and also be aware it augments bloodvicosity; when taking wobenzyme take care not to get too much of ginger coz ginger also is
enhancing bloodviscosity....btw...greentea & lemon and fresh sliced ginger...sooo yummy the whole day long ....
btw...bitter herbs will be fine as well ....


you see how tricky nature can be, in our system it creates the same
symptoms as it creates it to the O's but here the O's do produce too much of acidity....


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Wow - great info in this thread.

D_Gale19 - glad an ND helped you so much.

Shelly -
  • Bitters are mentioned in the books by Dr D.  They are traditionally drunk 30 minutes before a meal in Europe.
  • Gentian is also good (an ND gave it to me once to increase my appetite once).  
  • Lemon is really good, it's acidic but converts to alkaline in your body.  Lemon in water is good drunk through a straw if you love your teeth (see below!)
  • Ginger is fantastic in any form because it helps digestion as well as closes your oesophageal sphincter (onion and garlic and greasy or spicy foods slacken or open it up)
  • Caffeinated drinks (green tea, coffee) will boost your HCL but can open oesophageal sphincter (cause heartburn) too.


I have GERD too,and the A BTD really helps.  I was following the BTD and it improved digestion and bowel symptoms greatly, until I stopped having lemon in water in the morning.  (Bad idea to go against what Dr D says!)  I added lemon in green tea thinking that was clever, two good things at once.  After seeing the dentist and finding out that the warm tea with lemon was destroying my enamel and causing teeth sensitivity, I started having just green tea in the morning before breakfast.  Bad idea!  What was I thinking?  (edit caffeinated drinks on an empty stomach are highly acidic)

I also had kidney pains and a full blood count showed that my blood was too acidic (I have kidney problems).  

After very slightly spicy chicken burritoes on a burning stomach after too much green tea in am before food (too much acid) (homemade with Oregano and Cumin) I burnt my oesophagus and had scorching pain, heartburn etc..  Got diagnosed with GERD, had to go on PPI drugs to lower acid - Nexium (didn't work for me so much) then went on to Aciphex for a few months.  Got alot sicker than usual as low stomach acid lowers your immunity.  Had side effects of constipation and also had indigestion worse, it felt that food sat in the stomach forever.  

It's healed up better now and I'm off those drugs, though I must avoid tomato and highly acid foods (including most spices, coffee, cucumber & more).  Sticking to a slightly modified BTD for As keeps it under control for me and keeping alkaline balance.

The other day I stupidly had some tomato paste and got the full on burning stomach for 2 days and diarrhea and all.  Good to do every now and then to remind you why you do what you do.

I got around the lemon affecting my enamel by drinking lemon in water through a straw inserted to the back of the mouth.  I've loved lemons since I was a little kid, they're great after you have a fatty meal and you can't digest it.  They are acidic and increase your stomach acid, but apparently after digestion convert into alkaline ash in your body.  I think it's true since when I gave up lemon is when I became too acidic, I didn't change much else at that time.
So I know that the blood type diet and keeping an acid alkaline balance is so right for me (lots of green vegetables and alkaline fruit, less meat and wheat etc.).

At least I did get diagnosed with GERD which I think I've had for a long time with hoarse throat, heartburn acid to my mouth for many years without knowing what it was or that it could be serious.

Going to get a gastroscopy soon to check to see if there is any permanent damage (like Barret's oesophagus which can be pre-cancerous).  Hopefully not!  

Follow Dr D or a good ND and you can't go wrong!

I'm not a Dr but I've been reading alot of books about GERD lately!





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Ghee Whiz...such helpful information at once that I need to read it a few more times   

For your teeth- I like acidic foods, particularly grapefruit, so much so that I learned to brush my teeth with Pronamel toothpaste. It protects the enamel. Have you heard about it?  
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Animal studies have shown that polyphenols in green tea have antitumor and anti-inflammatory effects. In preclinical studies, polyphenols have antioxidant activities and the ability to inhibit nitrosation, which have been implicated as etiologic factors of gastric cancer[115-117]. Although various case-control studies have shown a reduced risk of gastric cancer in relation to green tea consumption[118-121], .


Reduce your risk of Barretts turning into cancer and drink your green tea, three cups a day!


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Shelly - thanks for the toothpaste tip.  I wish I knew about that when I was a kid and used to eat lemons raw (sorry if I made you cringe).  I have such a hardly any enamel and I get stains really easy now.  Still love lemons though!  
Will give it a go thanks.

Andrea AWsec - Good quote thanks.  Green tea is fantastic and I have it at least once a day (after a meal or with a snack) but sometimes when my stomach is too acidic with GERD I can't have it    Gotto love antioxidants!  
My skin has never looked better since starting the BTD, sometimes people think I'm  half my age (a teenager)!  Good when getting into movies cheaper, bad when you go to a bar!  


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bitter herbs and ginger.. sounds a very economical option  


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Since my post above, I've seen my blood test results from the Dr and realised I've been in a state of acidosis for a long time, causing IBS and reflux.  So I've started more alkaline foods and taking bicarbonate of soda many times a day and using salt (blood test showed low on sodium and bicarbonate).  Also supplementing with Calcium (magnesium and vitamin D as well) (was low on calcium so much have been bleaching my bones to alkalinise).  Now bowels are best ever and I've got lots of energy!

Also am starting the Explorer diet so it could be that too.  Have cut out wheat and soy so far.  Gone are the irregular periods!  Yipee!

I tried some apple cider vinegar the other day to see if it would get rid of heartburn and confirm the low stomach acid.  Don't do that.  Had aftertaste for many days and diarrhea from too much acid!  Should have checked apple cider and vinegar are a big avoid for most types.


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Ghee Whiz Since my post above, I've seen my blood test results from the Dr and realised I've been in a state of acidosis for a long time, causing IBS and reflux.  So I've started more alkaline foods and taking bicarbonate of soda many times a day and using salt (blood test showed low on sodium and bicarbonate).  Also supplementing with Calcium (magnesium and vitamin D as well) (was low on calcium so much have been bleaching my bones to alkalinise).  Now bowels are best ever and I've got lots of energy!


What kind of bicarbonate or soda do you take and how do you take it. Is it a powder like baking soda. Even though A's tend to have low stomach acid is this something we need to pay attention to.
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