I'm just curious whether toe length is relevant to Genotype and is just left out of the measurements because fingers tell us all we need to know?

Everybody knows people with those very long second toes.

There is a lot of published research on D2 to D4 finger length measurements and how this relates to exposure to hormones in the womb. I am unaware of such research for toes.

I'm one of those people with the longer second toes. My index fingers are longer too, but the difference is more significant with the toes.

So am I!

Strange that you brought this up. I just noticed that my 2nd toe is longer than the big toe on one foot and shorter on the other. Which coincides with my ring finger being longer than the index on the same right side of the body and shorter on the left. For someone who is a borderline Teacher / Explorer that is an interesting discovery.

Hi Jumari, I'm a borderline teacher and explorer too.  Hope your mystery is solved now.  Wish I could decide, but teacher includes my favourite foods so I may stick with that for now.

They reckon a long second toe is a sign of intelligence, so are you half intelligent?  

I had a job interview where the guy looked at my palms, toes, astrology, numerology and exclaimed that I wasn't intelligent.  Well he's right in some ways I'm not, but that was a bit much!  

I am sure that in the future they will find a link between toe lengths & something!
I'm also getting interested in toe prints. I wonder if we here could do an informal study of that. All my hand loops are ulnar, but my big toes are 'radial.'

  Ghee Whiz....Why don't you order the blood typing kit from here to find out what your daughter is? She is either an A or O. I find that it would be really important as to whether or not she should be eating meat or not, wheat or not, and dairy....

Hi Ghee Whiz, for someone who doesn't think they are intelligent, I think your nickname is quite clever. And yes I guess I must be a bit of a half wit with only one second toe being longer.

When it comes to the guy in your job interview. I would recomend death by bunta. If you are not familiar with the joke. Go to the link below. It is a little on the dirty side though.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bunta

Mrs T...........I really love the idea of Toe prints. But I would hate to be the police officer at the police station saying;

Excuse me sir, would you mind taking your shoes off so I can get your toe prints. Definitely need a mask for that job.

I would asume though as it has become aparent with me, they tend to reflect the corresponing fingers. It's more a left side/ right side thing and not an upper body and lower body thing. But you never know. You must be pretty flexible to see the radial markings on your toe.

Jumari, Thanks for the laugh, I needed that!  I was glad I didn't get the job after all.
I doubt you're a Half wit with a great self-effacing sense of humour like that.

Love the toe print idea. Not many crimes would have toe prints left behind though!  Except the butt kicking kind maybe!

A longer second toe is named Morton's toe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton%27s_toe or even better http://en.allexperts.com/e/m/mo/morton%27s_toe.htm

Couldn't find any studies to correlate Morton's toe with intelligence, probably silly of me for looking. Seems to be a myth.  

Found one about why we have evolved shorter toes compared to other primates (so we can run faster than they can!) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19218523?dopt=Abstract

Moreton Toe examples: Uma Thurman in Kill Bill Vol. 2.  

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  Ghee Whiz....Why don't you order the blood typing kit from here to find out what your daughter is? She is either an A or O. I find that it would be really important as to whether or not she should be eating meat or not, wheat or not, and dairy....

Hi delightfuldeb thanks for the idea.  I was thinking the same thing today.  Tried to guess her genotype, it's too hard to tell.  Will get a blood test done soon.

It just went through my mind today that the fact that I am of mixed ethic background 75 % European and 25% or so Asian might be the reason I am a little harder to Genotype. Ghee Whiz you are a borderline Teacher / Explorer, are you of mixed ethnicity?

Jumari, that's a funny question!
I'm not that mixed really, some English and Irish and spanish gypsy in me that feels like they like to argue with each other sometimes but that's all    There's been alot of arguing when trying to choose my genotype!  

I hard time in the womb though with lots of asymmetry (I know my Mum smoked - I still love her dearly tho!) - that's supposed to cause thriftiness Dr D wrote on here somewhere). I also have a minor birth defect - Stahl's Ear (was going to use Spock as my forum nick!).  But don't worry I'm not that much of a freak!

Have had many health problems that correspond with Warrior and Explorer genotypes.  Going to get a tape measure and ink pad (have been using string and measuring on a ruler and looking at my fingertips) and try measuring all again!

I know a SWAMI would sort it all out and one day when $ permits will get that done!  Will be posting and reading some more on here to try and figure it out!

Sorry for the dumb question. I think the womb thing carries a lot more weight. I'm sure your are not a freak. I am Spanish too but not a gypsy.

Saw a podiatrist for the first time today (People with Morton's toe may be interested as they may have foot problems too).  I have flat feet with pronation and hardly any arches.  I think I already knew that, but it was really helpful. Getting shoes modified with small inserts and some stretching and exercise hints.  Nearly died when I heard the price of custom orthotics though!  

Offtopic - Jumari, Hey, no worries.  Hope I didnt' cause offence either.  I mean voices in my head like Tara in United States of Tara (multiple personalities).  That's a great show!  

Still toeing the line here.  

No offence...You'll probably get more beneifts walking barefoot. The worst part is you'll probably look like a lawn bowler. Gotta have brand names girl.

Did anyone else find it hard to measure their fingers as shown in the book? There are only millimetres between my index and ring fingers when measured as shown in pics. not sure of the accuracy.  Did wonder about measuring from tip of finger to the base of the 3rd bone back.  the one that moves on the knuckles.  It is fairly easy to palpate the edge.  Based on a best out of 3 the measurement this way did seem to be more consistantly accurate.  As the end result is a comparison between two measurements do you think this would count? Reverses the readings based on the approach in the book.

PS agree with walking bare foot but it is best done on roughish ground rather than flat surface (like around the house). The muscles of the foot are worked more that way and the feet don't spread so much.  also certain types of yoga encourage feet and toes to lengthen (eg Scaravelli)

Rosamunde, Yeah i'll get to you, Jumari later.  Lots of people have the same problem and it gets down to milimeters. I read on here somewhere try measuring from the palm size of your hand, because at the front there can be differences in the webbing and palm curvature at the front.  Will check out the yoga you speak of thanks!

Here are some other threads about finger measuring:
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1197971832/s-25/
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?v-print/m-1201250361/
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1199563079/

Jumari, according to my podiatrist walking on the beach barefoot is good as it has support for your feet.  Lawn bowling is fun!    Don't believe in brand names, comfort is number one, that's probably why I've got feet that would spread right across Texas!  ex-Barefoot kid

Re my toeprints: I'm thinking more about genetic uses rather than ID, but for prisoners it may be a good idea.  A mask may be helpful as was hinted at!
I think both of my feet are like this: Big toes-'radial' loop; middle 3 toes-'ulnar' loops; & the big surprise-little toes-arches!
Dr. D: Do toes have more arches? Do they indicate anything unusual? I think they do have some bearing on us & we may not know for years.
Anyway, this is such fun. My 2nd toes look slightly longer, but the origins makes it very difficult to know for sure.......