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Pat58
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I've completely changed my diet, am eating the protein, meat, eliminated wheat, dairy and other triggers.  I even quit coffee and went through the withdrawal and headaches.

I do feel a little better as far as being on an "even keel" instead of up and down, but I'm trying ER4YT to decrease the inflammation from my RA.  Now, my rosacea is flaring up and my face is also a mess of pimples and red streaks.

My breakfast is usually eggs w/1/2 Ezekiel muffin or fruit; or gluten free oatmeal with figs and prunes; or Ezekiel cereal with rice milk; or 1/2 Ezekial muffin spread with fig butter and ghee, and a banana and three prunes.

All my snacks are fresh compliant fruits.

My lunches are salads with lots of greens and raw compliant veggies, leftovers from dinner, and/or a tuna or turkey sandwich on Ezekial bread.

My dinners are compliant meats and seafoods with vegetables, lots of greens; or a meat free night of brown rice and steamed veggies.  Starches are either brown rice, brown rice pasta, quinoa or sweet potatoes.

I drink green tea, parsley tea and fenugreek tea, rice milk, water, seltzer water, and red wine with dinner sometimes.

Supplementing with calcium, magnesium, Vit. D, the O multi-vitamin, Sciencia, and an Omega 3 fish/flax/boron oil.  I ordered some Deflect-O.

Fats are olive oil and ghee.

For exercise I was getting in cardio and weight training at gym but have switched to power walking and hiking with the weather being nice, and Pilates or yoga videos.

What am I doing wrong?  Sometimes after a "perfect" day I wake up so swollen and inflamed.  It felt better at first.  I've dropped prednisone which may have something to do with it, told my rheumatologist "no more."  She applauds the BTD but .... it just doesn't seem to be working.



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PS - yes, dressing salads with fresh lemon juice, using beneficial spices like turmeric and cayenne, eating lots of parsley ...  


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Are you 100% sure you are actually an O?  If you are an A, this routine could easily make you worse.
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You could reduce the amount of grains. It took me a few months to do that but once I got used to it, they were not missed. You appear to be getting at least twice the suggested amount.

The Deflect will be quite helpful.

Make sure you get enough water. Sauna or heavy sweating can help with elimination of toxins and so on. Dandelion (in some form) would probably aid as well.

The lack of prednisone is probably what your reaction is. Be patient allowing other methods to replace the anti-inflammatory aspects. You look to be off to a good start.

Prednisone is usually tapered off of. Is this what you did or are doing?
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If you have not looked at the Arthritis book you may want to do so.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED063S

Also there is an arthritis protocol that suggests some supplements that might help:

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/7.html


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How about a secretor test and looking at the Genotype diet?
Frustrating, but you did not get sick in one month it may take longer to feel better.

http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm

http://www.dadamo.com/faq/smartfaq.cgi?answer=988814262&id=988813483



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Are you 100% sure you are actually an O?  If you are an A, this routine could easily make you worse.


Yes, I typed myself with the ER4YT approved blood test.  I am O+ and believe it, both my parents were O's.

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Prednisone is usually tapered off of. Is this what you did or are doing?

Yes Lloyd, I was down to one a day then half.  I'd been on it since Thanksgiving (my Enbrel seems to have stopped working).  I'm wondering if the acne flare has something to do with hormones gone amok given the time on Pred and weaning off.  

Thank you very much for your other points as well.  Yes, I probably am leaning too heavy on Brother Ezekiel.  What do you substitute for grains?  I can easily handle dinner with just protein and a side veggie, but lunches and breakfasts are hard especially since I brown bag.  Any suggestions would be welcomed.

C_Sharp and Andrea - thank you very much for the suggestions and links.  I'm ordering the Arthritis book and will bring the protocol to my next acupuncture to discuss with her.

Wish I could afford the acupuncture more, it's just not in my budget and times are tight.


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I d also check ingredients in the buns and cereal....
there are always avoids lurking, and those might be the culprit.
same with rice milk, etc.....


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There is no limit on the amount of beneficial vegetables one may eat.  

If you find the time to go through older threads on this board there are many good suggestions for bread substitutes. Some of the basic ideas are to make wraps with a salad green if you must have 'finger food'. Other ideas are precooked dishes that can be popped into a microwave or eaten cold using  eating utensils.   Dried meats such as jerky can be made at home as well with a dehydrator and can serve for finger food snacks.

You might need to adjust gradually. That is okay too.
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Hey Pat58...I would cut back on the grains also and if you can swing it getting your secretor test done.   Before I had my secretor test done I also ate a fair amount of Ezekial bread.   It helped a lot getting off of that.   Another thing to mention is your nightshades.  Tomatoes, peppers (all colours), eggplant, potatoes.   These can wreak havoc  on an O doing BTD with arthritis symptoms.   Plenty of water as mentioned and the 'sweaty' O exercise.

Debra


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I'm going to completely cop-out and say 'just give it more time.'

Especially if you're willing and able to keep it going...

Yes to watching the grains, secretor status, deflect...any and all if needed.


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Glad to hear you say that Dr. D.  I don't have RA but I have osteoarthritis bad in my neck and even though they don't find it in my thumb joints on x-rays, I have alot of pain there.

My knees , which the docs sau are full of OA, never hurt.  I've had three surgeries on the left on and no trouble to speak of on the right but when the rest of my body is in pain, they don't hurt.  It's kind of strange.  BUT I do take N-A-G and have for along time and that is supposed to help knee joints specifically.  (thanks to you, I discovered that!)

At any rate, last night I had just awful pain - worse then i ever had when eating junk and not being compliant.  I had a totally compliant day yesterday and can't figure this out.   My neck has been worse than ever for about 2 weeks.  

Now mind you I have only been compliant for 34 days so your statement of 'give it more time' is a comfort to me.  

I feel like I'm still in detox and my body is still releasing fat cells and who knows what's in those!!!! Yikes ... a couple thousand remenants of donuts and bad grease french fries and I could go on!!!

P.S.  yes I was going to say Pat58, try some more root vegetable with your meals.  Sweet potatoes or parsnips, rhutabga's, turnips... all of these sweeten up nicely when cooked.  Roast them or bake and mash... etc.  They are delicious.  


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Pat 58, detoxing times needs a bit more of gratitudes from our expectations.... and here Dr. D. is right as the others are as well,
we do need the time for recovery...... you implemented the time of ....
not have being instructed of....so yada.....dearle give you the time
to heal all kinds of symptoms.... .....
we say: ther's a time to get healthy...ther's a time to get sick and ther's a time to recover...and ther's a time to get enlightned for healthconcernes ...the wise Salomonic advices can cure and work wonders but only when implementing Peter D'Adamo's advices....yesssss of couse a part of him is.....


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Thank you everyone.  I'll see about secretor status as soon as budget allows.  

Thank you Dr. D'Adamo for responding - yes I will give it more time.  In fact I can't go back because there are improvements in other areas that tell me I really needed to get off wheat, dairy and coffee.  Getting those out eliminated a lot of sugar from my diet by default.

Thank you again Lloyd for the finger food suggestions.   Debra, thanks for the reminder about nightshades, I cut immediately potatoes ( I'm Irish too, and probably have potato sprouts growing inside me) and eggplant, but left in tomatoes and peppers 'cause they're neutrals on ER4YT.  I'll be cautious with those.  And WWBaily thanks for the tip on roasting the root veggies, that sounds great.

My Type O tea and Deflect arrived tonight, just in time for me to get off my NSAIDs prior to my thumb surgery.  I really, really want to go natural.  My body has been abused by all of the pharmaceuticals - but what can you do when you're in pain.  My philosophy was to take the meds, and counterbalance with a healthful diet and exercise and lots of water.  Unfortunately I thought whole grains were paramount to a healthful diet.  


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Hi Pat,
Hang in there.  According to the arthritis book by Dr. D.  Oatmeal is to be avoided.  Rice is hardly ever or just avoid.  Watch the corn.  It sneaks up in everything too.  I was eating rice, & had to cut it off.

You may want to try NAG, I found a good price on Beyond a Century.com & Boswelia.
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Quoted from kauaian

You may want to try NAG,


She is getting that in her Deflect, but it was a wonderful thought nonetheless!  

Sometimes when we suggest a supp, we forget to give the reason why. Deflect has the NAG plus some other synergistic things as well. The NAG is to assist in lectin removal.
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Quoted from Lloyd

Sometimes when we suggest a supp, we forget to give the reason why. Deflect has the NAG plus some other synergistic things as well. The NAG is to assist in lectin removal.


Or to say what it actually is? For us (still) novices?
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Or to say what it actually is? For us (still) novices?


Of course. NAG is sold under that name and can be easily found. It is N-acetyl D-glucosamine.

Deflect is available from the NAP store. There is detail there on all the ingredients. If you have questions about any of them the forum is a good place to ask (Supplements board).
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Thank you again Lloyd, I'll look into those supps.  I'd read in the book to also strengthen up with the exercise and be sure to ingest Vit. K, pretty confident I'm getting that from my eggs and dark leafy greens.  Fortunately I love kale and beet greens!


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Pat58... we buy things that NAP doesn't carry at iherb.com.  

Cheapest, fastest service, free shipping over $60 and you get customer discounts after you've been shopping there for awhile.  

I love them!

Also... see this thread:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1240843627/


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Thank you for that tip WWBailey!  I'll check it out.  


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Pat I have been watching this site for a few days, and what every one is telling is right, I was in a bad shape 6 years ago when I found out about eat right, I started and now I am a new person, you did not get in that shape over night, so you won't get better over night,  it will take time, just stay with it and stay away from the Grains and Nigtshades.

Beleive me it will work.


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2 thoughts jumped out at me when reading your post:

1) You're still eating an awful lot of grains! You should try cutting back on them, or cutting them out completely. It also sounds to me like you're not eating enough meats, and you may be eating too many fruits (I'm not sure how much fruit you eat for snacks.) Really, type Os do best on lowish carb, high protien. Don't be afraid of fats. If I had grains AND fruit at breakfast time, I'd crash within an hour. I eat protein and veggies at breakfast and lunch, grains, if I eat them, are at dinnertime or bedtime snack time, and fruits are either for bedtime snack, or I eat them with plenty of fat and protien (such as dried fruits mixed with nuts as trail mix when I'm out and about.)

2) You've just weaned off of prednisone! Obviously the diet IS helping! So you're now feeling, without meds, the way you used to feel with the meds? That truly is an improvement!  One month really isn't a lot of time to heal from a chronic illness. Even after a few years of "eating right", you're likely to have good days and bad days. And it sounds like your body is doing some "detox" right now, which means short-term discomfort but long-term healing.

You also may want to get your secretor status tested. Or, if you're not able to get tested right now, maybe just cut out the foods not recomended for non-secretors (such as the oats) and see if it makes some improvement in your health.


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Thank you both for your insights, Larry and Ruthie.  Every bit of advice helps!  yes, I am definitely slashing the grains.  Seems like more and more veggies is the way to go.  I'll try getting more protein in the AM, that's when I wake up wanting a grain item though.  Will just keep working in it.

I took all my frozen commercial veggie burgers to the food bank - OMG when I read the labels and actually focused on what is in there - so many corn derivatives, wheat, glutens.

How about turkey bacon as a breakfast food?


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