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Jenny
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I've started a new project, but thought I would mention it now in case anyone else is also doing this, and we could combine efforts.
I am going through my relevant pages in the GTD book, and pencilling in the latin names of the listed fish which  can  be labelled from Typebase.
I then shall find the website that lists all local fish with their latin names, and try and match up the two lists so that we can find at least one item in our shops that we know for sure is Super.
A local fishmonger has said that virtually no American and Australian fish are the same, so that is why it is necessary to go back to latin labels to clarify the issue.



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pls try the search engine on the website main page.....
Heidi s input on fish names is helpful.....


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I guess those of us in the USA are lucky because we can recognize the names of the fish.  

When you finish compiling your list, you should post it so other board members all over the world can benefit from your efforts.


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Quoted from Jenny
I've started a new project, but thought I would mention it now in case anyone else is also doing this, and we could combine efforts.
I am going through my relevant pages in the GTD book, and pencilling in the latin names of the listed fish which  can  be labelled from Typebase.
I then shall find the website that lists all local fish with their latin names, and try and match up the two lists so that we can find at least one item in our shops that we know for sure is Super.
A local fishmonger has said that virtually no American and Australian fish are the same, so that is why it is necessary to go back to latin labels to clarify the issue.


That would be AWESOME!
See if this website is helpful http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~frf/rfe0.html#cname



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I have done it with american english and italian names, looking for genus and species. Some problems with the different kinds of cod !
In Heidi column search for fishbase and there is a world database of fish names in different languages and Latin with images also, as for wikipedia and some common fishes. Now I can choose my fish both in Italy and in U.S if I 'll come to visit!
Good work Jenny


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thank you nowishow and Maria Giovananna---I was hoping this would be a team effort, and it is turning out so with your input!



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Progress report:
the best fish name list in Australia that I have located so far is as follows:
http://www.marine.csiro.au/caab/fish_names_list.pdf

the way I am working is first to find and list in the GTD the latin names of superfish (U.S. I presume) and to search for these latin names in my local list. Unfortunately the fishmonger is absolutely right--there is hardly any fish in common, even if the 'common' name is the same such as Butterfish---they are absolutely different species in the two continents. Australians will be disappointed to find that the European Carp, a scourge of our waterways, is one of the only available superfish so far. But it is listed in the Melbourne fish Market, so presumably can be ordered by a fishmonger on request for a trial.I am concentrating on the Explorer list at the moment for a friend. I will then do Warrior. If anyone wants to do the same for the other GTs, please go for it. (and let us know).
I have a sinking feeling that the only way will be to do idiosyncratic, guinea pig testing of our favourites, and watch the results. For instance I lurve Ling and just salivate at the thought of it. So that would be one of my first personal testings.
Hopefully some better results soon.



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you might want to call the practitioners listed in IFHI, they might have it all worked out already.....it won t hurt to ask.


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thanks for the lateral thinking there Lola--shall do.



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I absolutely, categorically, infintesimally hate fish. But I applaud your efforts Jenny.

Sounds like you've set yourself a task. Hmmm, I see a definate Warrior/A trait there.  


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Did someone say fish?  I love fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  


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Oh a list for fish would be absolutely wonderful!  Great idea Jenny....good on you.  Keeping my fingers crossed for Barramundi, Red Emperor, Sea Perch, Snapper, etc. ....just love my fish!  
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ABnoway and shells, as you both love fish and eat it a lot, would you care to take part in informing us about your assessment of various species? I ask this as it appears that we are not going to find many on the Australian market that co-incide with the U.S. list in the various BTD/GTD books. If we could find the Australian Teacher best list and the Australian Explorer best list (judging from your digestion, body reactions, feelings etc.) that would be a useful start until such time as a testing lab is instituted here. Thanks a million. Other Genotypes may appear who will volunteer to do the other 4 groups



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Hi Jenny, I'd love a lot to be a warrior for scallops, small octopus and mussels, if you find them on sale on your fisheries or fish shops.
Porgy (John Dory, dorade, sea bream, dentex,  scorpion fish, rosefish, perch, whitefish,  red snapper, monkfish are all tasty and sure for all, if they are available on your market.
Serranidae and Sparidae genus of fishes often good and tasty, as Gadus .
http://www.fishbase.org
Hope it helps !
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I absolutely, categorically, infintesimally hate fish. But I applaud your efforts Jenny.

Sounds like you've set yourself a task. Hmmm, I see a definate Warrior/A trait there.  



But you obviously love big words??!!
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Maria G. your reference to http://www.fishbase.org has been a godsend as I can now quickly check everything. It has helped me a little with my Explorer research, and I will post those findings in a day or two before moving on to Warrior. In a nutshell, it is not very promising on the whole as we have  a multitude of fabulous fish here which are not identical with most of the US listed fish in BTD and GTD books, however I am glad that I have given it a go.



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as I mentioned previously.....our search engine brings forth some great treasures!
http://www.sea-ex.com/fish/names1.htm

courtesy of Heidi!
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive8/config.pl?read=40402


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I appreciate your responses Lola, sorry I forgot to reply earlier; I contacted the two current practitioners here to ask if they had sorted anything out, but no response so far, hence my detailed examination from first principles. The fishbase website is the most useful for us as it specifically has an Australian application for appropriate fish by name, but it is good to read your website (above) and the old communications from Heidi. .



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this is how the formula appears to work now, and it applies to all GTDs and to all countries.
1. Go to fishmongers and list by common name all available fish in your specific market.
2. Return to your computer and open up http://www.fishbase.org or whichever of the other internationally oriented fish sites which you prefer.
3. Starting with the common name in your market, uncover the correct latin name for that genus and species in your country.
4. Search for the same latin name in the U.S. fish on your chosen identification website (I assume that these must be the ones that Dr D. has tested and named as supers).
5. Identify the common U.S. name and look for it on your particular BTD or GTD super list.
6. Bingo (if you are lucky)

Hope this is of marginal assistance to anyone else, and I'm sorry that it has not turned out to be an easy solution.

the most difficult step is from 3. to 4. above, as the latin names do not appear to be listed alphabetically; (unless you are clever at shuffling them around) You may be as surprised as I was to find how the common names in different countries mean totally different fish even when the common name is the same.



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great job!

share once you have some specifics....


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I've completed the first round of my investigation about fish in Australia, and found as expected that there is not a great deal of connection between our almost 5000 fish here and those found in the waters around the U.S. However there are some useful exception to the above conclusion, and I have made a chart covering all Genotypes, and all fish available in the Canberra markets at this time of the year. As the months pass I may be able to add seasonal fish to the list. If anyone want this chart please email me privately in the members centre and I will be glad to send an attachment with this information.
Those many beautiful eating fish in our waters that I could not identify on the U.S. list will have to be tested by you anecdotely!!
Cheers from a very salty researcher...............



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excellent!
your list will be of great help to your co citizens!


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Hi Shells, Possum2 and any other fish loving people around these southern islands-- if you would like to receive the list of Super,Neutral and Avoid fish for all genotypes hereabouts, just send me a private email in the Members Centre and I will forward the attachment.



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So happy to report that Luderick (Blackfish), girella tricuspidata (similar to girella nigricans-opaleye in the U.S.) is now available at our fish markets in Canberra, and not only as whole fish, but as fillets. We have given the thumbs up to the taste and digestibility . Super for G2,G4,G5,G6.



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