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I just received my very first ever container of NAP's Proberry capsules (   ), which I've heard nothing but rave reviews about over the years from other BTD community members, and which have stellar immune-supporting ingredients, including elderberry.

I am currently being exposed to a lot of cold and flu-type germies at work and have been dosing myself with elderberry concentrate, like last night I made a homemade elderberry soda out of the concentrate and some seltzer water.

My question is, if I were to take the Proberry capsules AND drink, say, a lot of this homemade elderberry soda in one day, is there a chance of reaching a toxic dose of elderberry?  I can't seem to find any specific info. on the web regarding what amount of cyanogenic glycoside sambunigrin would be toxic, so I'm hoping it would be a difficult amount to reach, even if consciously and intentionally dosing oneself with lots of elderberry in a flu-prevention effort.

What say you all (especially Dr. D. if you are around and feel like chiming in)?


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I dunno if there is a toxic dose, but since elderberry is an immune enhancer too much of a good thing might be too much of a good thing for whacked-out O immune systems. In other words, if you take a bunch of elderberry you might end up cranking your immune response into the stratosphere.

Take the Proberry, have a glass of Berry Berry Good Soda, and wash your hands frequently. Keep your nasal passages humidified (as you already do, I know). If you really feel the need, wipe down work surfaces with some Dr. Bronner's or a bit of castile soap mixed with a few drops of oil of rosemary and lavender.

A little extra vitamin C from acerola or rose hips and some nettle root wouldn't hurt either.


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Take the Proberry, have a glass of Berry Berry Good Soda...

Hello, twinklesoul!  It's the combo of the Proberry and the elderberry-concentrate-containing homemade soda that I'm wondering about, vis-a-vis, could it put me over the top, cyanogenic glycoside sambunigrin-wise?

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...and wash your hands frequently.

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Also what saved my butt last year was stinging nettle root.  I start taking it in January (this year in December), and I fly through the cold and flu season.  
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f-muse, I agree--stinging nettle leaf or root in combination with elderberry RULES. Knock on wood, I've been exposed to some really nasty head colds and flu the last couple of years and haven't gotten sick for more than one day. One head cold tried to catch me, but I took more nettle and drank beef bone broth, and it was gone the next day.


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So, how much volume of caps and liquid are you contemplating taking?



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So, how much volume of caps and liquid are you contemplating taking?

Well, I think the caps say take up to two caps per day, or maybe it says up to two caps twice per day, but whatever it says, I wouldn't take more than the recommended daily dose there, even if I was fighting something off.  Then, at MOST, if I were actually sick/fighting something off, or maybe even if just exposed mightily to sick folks and thus fending, fending, FENDING in a preventive fending manner, I might take as much (at most, mind you!) as 5 oz of the elderberry concentrate per day, because when I'm really in "the zone" of fending and/or fighting off, especially the latter, I have been known to make a homemade seltzer or two (so that might have at most 3 oz) and also a swig or three straight out of the bottle (so maybe another two oz there).  When sick, I've been known to go through a bottle of elderberry concentrate in two days, and I think the bottle is 8 oz!

It hasn't killed me yet, but I just fear if I add the Proberry caps, it could put me over the top.


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The only thing I've read about elderberry is that if taken raw it could make you nauseous. Are you taking it raw?  
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I've only heard a warning about certain varieties of elderberries that are toxic, and I can't remember which color it is.  I know this isn't the type that are used in elderberry concentrates.



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I don't think that there were any toxic dosages known....


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As stated previously, I'd just be careful about taking large doses of an immune system enhancer, even one that's beneficial for Os. The prescribed daily amount of Proberry and one glass of Berry Berry Good Soda a day--just fine. Anything more than that seems like overkill. JMO, as always.


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I doubt it would be toxic for a day or 2.  Better to 'head off the cold at the pass' than to get the cold & fight for 2 weeks to get rid of it.
The dosages are to protect the company's you-know-what from lawsuits.  Elderberry syrup doesn't seem to do too much for me. It's also too expensive to overdose on!  


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I think Proberry just headed off a virus that the one co-worker I've been ranting about for the past week was DETERMINED to give me.  I definitely felt I was fending-n-fighting something off and now?  I think I've WON.  Be gone, virus!

I ran out of elderberry concentrate on, I guess it was Tuesday, so since about Wednesday I've just been taking the Proberry capsules.  I ran out of the concentrate just before I started taking the capsules.  On Christmas Eve, I woke up at 4:55 a.m. and felt I needed to take a Proberry, so I did, even though I didn't count it towards my day's total.  So yesterday, I basically took five instead of the recommended four.  Too bad, I felt like doin' it, so I did:  it's good to be king!

I'll get some more concentrate today and start double-teaming for a bit because, even though I think I've got this virus either on the ropes, or maybe even out the door, there are still many sickies around these here environs (yet another co-worker decided to have a coughing jag today so, naturally, she made a beeline RIGHT for Edna's cube while it was in progress!), and I want to hit 'em high and hit 'em low ("'em" being any and all viruses attempting to gain a foothold in my system).  I do NOT, not, not, not, NOT want to get sick like I did last winter.  I think because I was so stressed due to Ember's intense and prolonged illness, I was more susceptible than usual.  But whatever the reason, I got so sick last year and it just held on and held on and I had a cough for, like, MONTHS.  Well, not again if I can help it!!!

So, I need elderberry concentrate and I am also out of CoQ10, so we'll have an expensive visit to the HFS tonight, considering I also need my regular groceries.  But a stitch in time is a whale of a lot better than the nine that would be needed later if I don't shell out for natural supplements to help me kick any and all viruses et al. to the curb!  Better some berry extract now than an antibiotic later.  The wonderful thing about our sort of approach to health is that the supplements we take actually BENEFIT and STRENGTHEN our immune systems, versus weakening everything like antibiotics do when they come in and clean house.  They are great when you need 'em but it is best if you can avoid the sledge hammers and instead apply some friendly berry extract to neutralize the baddies while simultaneously bolstering your immune system and strengthening your body overall.

It doesn't hurt if people stop coughing all over you, too.  But, since that seems to be but a distant dream...


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My recollection is that a very old post of Dr. D's said he took a couple every few hours when he felt something coming on.  I've taken a lot more than 4 a day when I feel like I'm getting sick and it's never been any issue at all.  Glad it's helping you, E!  As you know from my numerous posts about it, I love the stuff.  
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unless it's a fat soluble vitamin or mineral it's very hard to overdose. My educated guess is treat it like Vitamin C and take as much as the bowel and kidneys can tolerate


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My recollection is that a very old post of Dr. D's said he took a couple every few hours when he felt something coming on.  I've taken a lot more than 4 a day when I feel like I'm getting sick and it's never been any issue at all.  Glad it's helping you, E!  As you know from my numerous posts about it, I love the stuff.  
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omg, it rules!  I've taken up to five per day while fending off the co-worker-foisted virus.  Glad to hear I'm not the only one who has pushed the envelope there.

Anyway:  the things SAVED ME!  Hallelujah!  I'm serious, man.

The thing was trying to gain a foothold and the Proberry just said "Uh uh, no way:  out you go!"

DONE!

Love 'em, love 'em, love 'em.

And a nice thing is that they keep much longer than elderberry concentrate, which I still think is good to imbibe when really in the thick of either fighting something flu-y off and certainly if you actually HAVE something flu-y.  But sometimes flu comes on very fast (in fact, a signature feature of most flu viruses is that the symtoms do indeed hit you like a ton of bricks and you go from fine to extremely ill in no time flat) and that is why it is AWESOMELY AWESOME to have the Proberry on hand and BOOM:  ingested!  They are shelf stable, which is nice.  Given how expensive the elderberry concentrate is and how short of a time it lasts when one is really fighting something off (I've gone through a bottle in two days when sick or fighting something off), the Proberry capsules rule because, I mean, I took four to five a day for about seven days and I still have tons left, PLUS they have other goodies in there besides the elderberry that work symbiotically with it to really kick WHATEVER to the curb.

LOVE 'EM.  That's my verdict!

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It's a great product!  That's a very good point about the shelf-life of the capsules.  

p.s.  glad you're feeling better!!  



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The three things I can't seem to be without are Proberry, Deflect and Polyflora.  All fantastic.  I take them everyday!
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The generous co-workers shared their industrial-strength cold with me.  For over a month this place has sounded like a TB ward.  As an inbound call center, we're all pretty much tied to our chairs, however, as you know, one thing leads to another, and finally, I've (cheated myself into) a cold. Guessing it's actually a sinus infection from the 101 fever last night.  I'm also sure it won't last as long or be as overwhelming as everyone else's, coz I'll just compliance myself to wellness quicker.
I left my old bottle of elderberry syrup behind when I moved out a couple months ago, looks like I'm gonna hafta replace it.  Minimal budget right now, but sounds like a trip to the HFS is in order.


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For over a month this place has sounded like a TB ward.


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I left my old bottle of elderberry syrup behind when I moved out a couple months ago, looks like I'm gonna hafta replace it.  Minimal budget right now, but sounds like a trip to the HFS is in order.

A nice thing about the capsules aside from all the other good stuff packed in there with the elderberry, is that they, as I said, are shelf-stable so unlike the expensive elderberry concentrate from the HFS (which, hey, I'm a big fan of myself), you don't need to use it up relatively quickly once it is open and refrigerated.*  I always use up my elderberry concentrate in, like, a week, tops.  But the Proberry could last through several TB outbreaks at ye olde office and still have some capsules in there for next year!  My bottle says it is good through 2011!

* referring there to refrigerating the elderberry concentrate--the Proberry capsules don't need refrigerating, bless their immune-boosting hearts...wait:  do Proberry capsules have hearts?  Well, whatever, literary license, people!


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My recollection is that a very old post of Dr. D's said he took a couple every few hours when he felt something coming on.  I've taken a lot more than 4 a day when I feel like I'm getting sick and it's never been any issue at all.  Glad it's helping you, E!  As you know from my numerous posts about it, I love the stuff.  
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I find that if  I  just drink elderberry tea regularly,  I know if I get something coming on it's immune to elderberry. I had a virus like that in August.  Elderberry didn't work on it..     But 99% of colds are rhino virus so Edlerberry kills that! It's a blessing!!
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Is the elderberry tea made from flowers or berries?



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