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Crimson
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Along with my blood type diet of late, I've incorporated intermittent fasting. You can look it up. There are several different ways to use this. I've been giving my stomach a break from 10 pm to between three and five pm the next day. (I know this doesn't sound healthy, but you'd be supprised how many calories I can pack into a four to six hour period)
Anyway, giving my gut a break from digestion has seemed to help me with malabsorption issues that I am still having.
It seems to be the best thing to help my stomach rest and heal after so much damage.
Again, I let go the idea of getting the proper testing done for Celiac. I just do not want to go back on gluten to have prof of damaged villi.... there seems to be no point when I can see that gluten/grain free is good for me.

Have any of you tried this? Would you consider trying it?
If you have tried, what are your results?
Here are a couple of links for your consideration...

modern forager also has a blog series about what happens to your body when you fast. Pretty interesting...

From this site:
http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Longevity
http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/PDK4_pyruvate_dehydrogenase_kinase,_isozyme_4_polymorphism


http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2008/03/04/my-intermittent-fasting-success-story/

With this one, ignore the "what would you say if" stuff.
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/intermittent-fasting/fast-way-to-better-health/

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/fasting/


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Fasting and calroie restrction are both very stressful for the body.
  Just my two cents worth.


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Well fasting is very hard on O's and I think Dr. D mentions that somewhere in his books so I won't be looking into this but everyone has to follow their own intuition about their healing.  

I know that the gut heals on it's own when you follow the eating regime for O's.  

There most likely will be others with varying opinions in this.  
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I try to miss lunch or dinner once a week as Im sure its good for balancing my gut somehow


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Quoted from Maldo
I try to miss lunch or dinner once a week as Im sure its good for balancing my gut somehow


I think it might be good if you are getting enough food and not actually hungry.  I know there is someone else here on the threads that has an amazing breakfast and then dinner.  But does not go hungry... anotherwords eats enough to maintain until the early dinner.  

Personally I don't want to eat so much that I can make it that long.  I get too hungry inbetween.
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the explorer cleanse suggests going raw once a month.....
no drastic measures though are necessary.


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I read somewhere, before where fasting durring a digestive flux is good for you.
The thing is, I have a digestive flux...um..ALL the time.
Not sure if it's damage done when I was eating vegetarian...
you know whole wheat and plenty of peanut butter.
I did get better on the BTD even on the secretor diet.
But since my system went crazy about nine months ago, I'm still recovering or something. I eat plenty for my size. Usually betwen 1300 and 2000 (even on the days that I only eat for five or six hours) calories a day. I'm at a healthy weight for my height 5'4" and 115-120 lbs.
So this is all about giving my system a break. Yes there are stress hormones that are released during a fasting state. But I'm one of the most laid back people ever. So, I'm not feeling stressed. Actually more relieved that my stomach seems to be digesting better than ever. So, a couple days a week of not eating until late in the day is seeming like a life saver for me. I even seem to have more energy now.

Thank you for your opinions. I appreciate them!


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let food become your medicine!
did you listen to Dr Ds interview?
http://www.4yourtype.com/media1.asp

he speaks among other things about food that helps you heal and not about the lack thereof.


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You know what came to me when I was reading all this? I wonder if during the hours that you're fasting, if you ate a Tbsp. ghee by itself every couple of hours, maybe that would aid the healing.  I bet it would.

Maybe that's excessive.  Maybe 1 tsp. melted in a little water every couple of hours.  You could call it the Ghee Fast.  Or the Ghee Whiz.  lol


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I did listen to the audio interview the other day, thank  you.

My stomach does not digest most fruit and vegetables. (Beneficial, neutral....I don't try avoids) I can eat banana, avocado, sometimes broccoli, spinach, green beans... Pretty much everything else makes me ill. Serious malabsorption.
Celiac is not ruled out. I do not want to go back to eating gluten to get a diagnosis. Most with celiac go ten years trying to get a diagnosis. I really do not want to spend a decade on tests to be told "don't eat gluten". I already know to not eat gluten.
I could rant more here. I'll spare you.
I eat eggs, bison, beef, almonds, walnuts, macadamia, organic butter and ghee (plenty of ghee, Ribbit, but with food) spinach, broccoli, green beans, some tomato (very small amounts) some banana and avocado.... that's about it.
I've been really strict on myself. About every three months or so, I'll eat something with honey ...I know I'm not supposed to have.
But, I do not see honey being a huge issue here.  



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Maybe it's just a matter of time.  How long have you been gluten-free?


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Fasting is a wonderful way to 'rest the system' & it seems you absorb better afterwards. The harm in fasting would be eating junk afterwards to negate the good. But since you are on a good diet, it only can help.  I am starting to do it again. I was doing Sundays, but when & had to work the past 2 Mondays, I didn't. [I need the next day to recoup.]
Short, regular fasting(sipping water) with a good diet can only be good for you.  It helped heal me in my 30s & 40s.


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I've been gluten free *strictly* for 14 months.
Though I know I was "glutened" last month. It's been a hell of a ride! I've been pretty sick for the past four weeks. Which doesn't help due to the fact that I teach Pilates and I've been low on energy. It's coming back though!  

I suppose being glutened once in over a year is pretty good, considering it's everywhere. Washing your hands a lot when you've been out in public helps. So, overall, I'm doing well.

Mrs T, you have good experience with fasting?
I'm kind of glad to hear that. I seem to be having some success with it. Though the last month cannot be counted in on that. I just upped my vitamin intake and hoped I was getting enough nutrients.
I've not had anything I would consider "junk" in years. So, that certainly isn't an issue here. I do feel that it has helped me to digest and absorb much better than what I was before. I will be able to say more for or against that in the coming months.

We all here know how important it is to eat real food. Hopefully, organic and as nutrient dense as possible.
Especially when you have challenging systems like us nonnies. ^_^

Thank you!


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Ribbit! Your kids are beautiful!
Thought I'd add that. Congrats on new addition too!


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Ok I thought I'd bring the IF topic back, lol. I started this today. Doing Intermittent fasting and then when I eat, GTD.

I remembered after looking into it, that it is the way I used to eat before I had children, when I weighed 100 lbs and was all muscle. I used to just eat a big lunch and a big dinner and that was it, and I was super happy. I know what Lola thinks (lol), but has anyone ever tried IF? It makes a lot of sense to me. I don't believe in the whole caveman theory but I do believe that the first people on earth probably were not sitting watching TV for 4 hours every night eating Haggen Daz.

What do you guys think?


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I don't believe in the whole caveman theory but I do believe that the first people on earth probably were not sitting watching TV for 4 hours every night eating Haggen Daz.


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Quoted from Jesi
Ok I thought I'd bring the IF topic back, lol. I started this today. Doing Intermittent fasting and then when I eat, GTD.

I remembered after looking into it, that it is the way I used to eat before I had children, when I weighed 100 lbs and was all muscle. I used to just eat a big lunch and a big dinner and that was it, and I was super happy. I know what Lola thinks (lol), but has anyone ever tried IF? It makes a lot of sense to me. I don't believe in the whole caveman theory but I do believe that the first people on earth probably were not sitting watching TV for 4 hours every night eating Haggen Daz.

What do you guys think?


Like everything else, I think it depends on the individual.  I could never eat just a lunch and dinner - I'd pass out by 10am.  I've always been like that - my mom too.  I NEVER skip breakfast and only ever skip a meal if I'm so sick I can't get out of bed.  My dad is the opposite though; he often doesn't eat until dinner (but then he becomes the person you described eating icecream in front of the tv all night ).  (I have heard that A's dig breakfast and O's tend not to be hungry in the morning)

Interm. fasting seems ridiculous to me, but if it works for you and you feel good doing it I'd say go for it.  Everyone's body is different, and we have to find what is right for each of us.  The problems begin when we believe that there is a single correct way to eat and we eat that way instead of listening to what our bodies want



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Dr. D. specifically recommends against fasting for AB BT as being too stressful (LR4YT pg. 291).  As such, I don't do it, because this answers why I have never felt good skipping meals.  I can even have trouble if I delay a breakfast for several hours...

He also says this for Type O on pg. 124.  You have to do what you feel is right for you, however.


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I am an A that MUST eat shortly after rising or I can get light headed and cranky!
I have been that way my whole life.
Like Brinyskysail, the only time I will skip a meal is if I am too sick/nauseated.


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I read a lot about it when I used to  frequent that low-carb forum. It worked well for many people, but not everybody. From what I could see, more men benefitted from IF than women. It makes sense historically, when men were out hunting (having to not eat for hours while stalking prey) and the women were gathering berries and such (lots of frequent snack opportunities) and raising kids. Pregnant and nursing women need to eat more frequently, both in prehistoric times and now!

I don't do well with IF. I tried it, but got too faint and weak, so I didn't continue. I'm just glad my blood sugar stays stable long enough that I no longer get up to eat in the middle of the night (which started when I was pg, and stopped when I was low-carbing.)

What I took away from the experience is that "3 meals and 2 snacks a day" doesn't work for everybody. It's not "unhealthy" to hear about somebody who has a cup of coffee for breakfast and then doesn't eat until dinnertime.

It's all about individuality. Some of us need to eat frequently to keep blood sugar stable. Some of us do better eating less often to rest their GI systems. Frequency of eating can even change over time as your body heals and changes.


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Is it the GT Explorers that get so engrossed in what they are doing that they forget to eat? My Dad used to be like that & I definitely can be...
If I check my emails before going down to the kitchen, it can be several hours before I remember to go get food, especially if there is nobody else around who needs me
Yet on other occasions I can get low blood sugar It must depend on what I ate the previous meal ie if I ate the right amount of protein I can go longer without eating
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The longer I do this way of eating the easier it is for me to go without food. I forget to eat sometimes I get so caught up with doing things. Most of the time it is lunch that I skip.
  I have come to believe that intermittent fasting may have some benefit, hormesis.


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