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JoanneO
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I'm an O gatherer on the genotype diet for 6 months and it has been very good for me but I had to drop cottege cheese and compliant grains and beans because I couldn't digest them.  I do not have a weight problem and I have no sugar cravings, but I still wanted to find a way to eat more grain and perhaps introduce dairy back into my diet.  I am currently experimenting with fermented grains for breakfast once or twice a week ( my regular breakfast is veggies, egg and meat scramble with ghee or olive oil) and I found a source of raw cow's milk close by and I am on my 2nd batch of homemade yogurt made from that.  So far, my body is digesting fermented grains, raw milk, seeds and nuts and vegetables very well. Fermenting the compliant foods on my list that I had a hard time with, made a huge difference in what my body will be happy with.  There are more foods on the list that I want to experiment with like  beans.  Fermented foods have been around for thousands of years in all cultures and all climates and all blood types.  I do well with meat, veggies some fruit....I just wanted to broaden my diet out a bit and pick up some nutrients that perhaps I was missing.  Fermenting seems to be a  way I can do this.      


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What fast are you talking about? I haven't done one?


Oh... maybe you are the wrong poster.  There were two threads a few months back where the gals were talking about doing a fast to try and get a new start.  

I apologize, I thought you were one of those gals.  
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suzegar- I drink kikucha tea in the mornings but in the summer I make smoothies from the berries. I dropped the flaxseed as well because I felt it was bloating for me.

funkymuse- if you are generous with the yogurt in the recipe it will rise but make sure it is cool before you try to cut it or it will crumble.The recipe is a guideline, I think wifey likes to put crushed walnuts in it as well.

Tomatillo- absolutely correct I take vit D and minerals

Joanne O- I played around with veg ferments and tried my wifes raw goat milk Kefir,kefir cheese and yogurt all with the same results...intolerance for me but she thrives on the dairy...interesting that O- is a prominent BT in the Caucasus which is where the kefir "grains" originally come from.
I found out recently that I have a much higher % of Native American genes than I had thought which makes perfect sense now in the context of a Paleo Hunter diet.
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thweetpie...whoooo is Tomatillooooo ...
nothing has grown since in that area.... it seems that I am a bit more masculin ... buuuut nooot at  tshis point... ...or have I overlooked something ...



and hope to stay Tomatilla da very firschd.....!!!


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Christopher how did you dind out you had a higher % of Natice American genes?

Looking forward to hearing more about your diet and what you eat and also your wife since she is an explorer like I am exlporing, if I am one too...

I love things like yoghurt and goats milk and have been meaning to try kefir for a while...

Has your wife perfected her explorer diet for herself yet or still experimenting?



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I am currently experimenting with fermented grains for breakfast once or twice a week ( my regular breakfast is veggies, egg and meat scramble with ghee or olive oil) and I found a source of raw cow's milk close by and I am on my 2nd batch of homemade yogurt made from that.  So far, my body is digesting fermented grains, raw milk, seeds and nuts and vegetables very well. Fermenting the compliant foods on my list that I had a hard time with, made a huge difference in what my body will be happy with.  There are more foods on the list that I want to experiment with like  beans.  Fermented foods have been around for thousands of years in all cultures and all climates and all blood types.  I do well with meat, veggies some fruit....I just wanted to broaden my diet out a bit and pick up some nutrients that perhaps I was missing.  Fermenting seems to be a  way I can do this.      


How do you ferment grains?  Is this like sourdough?

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sprouting is also an option...


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Christopher, Hunters can't do yogurt...  
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thweetpie...whoooo is Tomatillooooo ...
nothing has grown since in that area.... it seems that I am a bit more masculin ... buuuut nooot at  tshis point... ...or have I overlooked something ...



and hope to stay Tomatilla da very firschd.....!!!



a big mistake dear ISA....


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I would say the only difference is cutting out legumes and grains altogether,other than that it was just fine tuning the Hunter diet for me.
The premise of a Paleo diet is to only eat the foods that were around when the Homo Sapein Sapein genotype evolved...pure hunt and gather. Its really just a broad concept rather than a diet.


My bold  

I would say the only difference is if one believes in Dr. D's work or not. Whether one believe on a nutritional plan based on study and experience or a broad concept, based on lots of "faith," on what we ate eons ago, which by the way, could vary greatly by region.  



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good point, Susanna, but the broad concept is that the food be very very close to it's natural state. Could you pick it off a bush or tree? Dig it up? Spear it? Gather it? (eggs)
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I almost made a similar comment to Susanna, but did not want to stir the pot. There is much to commend about the paleodiet; especially if you have the capacity (digestive and cardio-wise) for the high-carnivore component. From the bone evidence, many hunter-gatherer societies were healthy, but they we not particularly long-lived, so we don't really have the data as to whether this philosophy holds up well into advanced age (especially as most digestive functions drop precipitously after the beginning of the six decade of life).

Other than that, like I've said before, try many things and hold on to what works for you.  


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The..doc...is...brilliant.

I remember when I went low carb..I lost some weight...felt like doo doo. I tried the Paleo diet also..Yes. An A on the Paleo diet. I lasted a week. lol..
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Christopher; What else does your wife ferment?  

Cindyt;  Fermenting grains is easier than than I thought it would be.  I started with a combination of quinoa flakes, quick oatmeal, flax meal and some of that Ezekiel 4;9 cereal that is so hard.  I just soaked it in pure water at room temperature with a cloth cover for 2 days.  The natural or wild yeasts in the air do the fermenting. I soak at least 2 cups of it and after two days take enough out ( about 1/3 -1/2 c )to cook for breakfast then put the rest in the fridge.  It keeps fermenting (turns sour taste) but very low activity.  I love the taste now and with some ghee, walnuts, raisins and sweetner, it's great and I experience no gas, bloating or slow-down.  

I have yet to make my first loaf of sourdough bread.  I started the starter only last Wednesday with 2 cups of spelt flour and 2 cups pure water.  I have been keeping it at room temp with a cloth cover.  It has bubbled up nicely and tomorrow will be ready to make into bread.  I am excited about this and I hope my body doesn't reject this bread too.

Lola;  sprouting is an excellent option but takes more care and starts with whole grains.  So far, I've been experimenting with grains all ready crushed, or milled. I do sprout my pumkin seeds first before they ferment (takes 6 days) and then I make this fermented nut butter out of them that reminds me of the really great, gourmet cheeses I used to eat before BTD. What do you sprout?  


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I ve sprouted all possible compliant grains, when I read ERFYT 12 years ago....I would then dehydrate them once sprouted and grind into flour to bake bread......focaccia type bread mind you, no fancy sandwich bread.

fermenting your grains sounds great!

thought of using the leftover whey from the paneer as a fermenting agent in the future.....


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Lola; I would like very much to sprout grains and then dry them and gind them...you're way ahead of me there.  That is on my list of things to do this summer when school is out.  Thanks for idea of using whey...no, I hadn't thought of it.   I do have whey left over from my raw cow's milk yogurt, now I know what to do with it.    


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let us know how your SD bread turns out!

followed by your recipe, if possible.....lol


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My bold  

I would say the only difference is if one believes in Dr. D's work or not. Whether one believe on a nutritional plan based on study and experience or a broad concept, based on lots of "faith," on what we ate eons ago, which by the way, could vary greatly by region.  




You imply that Dr Cordains work is not based on study and experience which is quite incorrect.I've studied the works of Dr DAdamo,Dr Cordain and Dr Weston Price and then listened to my body to eat what works which is what we are all here for.As far as Paleo peoples not being long lived,that has been addressed many times...infant mortality,disease,trauma all play a part but the fossil record clearly shows weaker skeletons with the adoption of agriculture.
Its true that the best we can do is approximate Paleo foods with domestic animals,hybrid veg and this ridiculous plant candy that we now call fruit.
I am not suggesting that no one should eat dairy or grains but the fact remains that there is nothing in grains that cant be found in higher amounts in fruit and veg except extra carbs/filler.

I checked my fridge and cabinets against Hunter GTD and the only thing I have regularly that's  not on my "superfoods" list are avocado and coconut. It's mostly what I cut out that made the difference.
I am Paleo Hunter hear me roar!

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I am not suggesting that no one should eat dairy or grains but the fact remains that there is nothing in grains that cant be found in higher amounts in fruit and veg except extra carbs/filler.


Grain and legumes are about the only sources of phytates, which are anti-oxidant mineral chelators. There are pros and cons to phytates (some people would argue that they block mineral absorption) but they do have fairly potent anti-cancer effects in the colon, which in the case of GT1 Hunters is a bit of an Achilles heal. Obviously we don't know much about paleolithic people dying of colon cancer, since this would not leave much of a fossil record.

The fossil record does shows weaker skeletal structure with the adoption of early Neolithic subsistence agriculture, but this is really more the starvation resulting from the exhaustion of the large game animals than any real agriculture, unless one is willing to call acorns and vetch an 'agrarian diet'.



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Christopher, I did not know you were doing Dr. Cordain's  paleo diet. There are so many paleo diets out there  . Psss btw, he does not recommend sweet potato

For a time I was quite into his work from the book he did with Joe Friel; “The Paleo Diet for Athletes: A Nutritional Formula for Peak Athletic Performance.”

I ended up discarding it as it recommends a “recovery drink” containing glucose and protein powder. It bothered me how unnatural it was. It also allowed coffee or diet soda, very paleo… But I did learn and keep a lot from it.

It is actually Dr. Cordain one of the forces against grain consumption because of the Phytic acid/phytate. The Weston A. Price Foundation recommends the consumtion of grains previously prepared by soaking, sprouting or sour leavening to neutralize phytic acid and other anti-nutrients.

I still think that Dr. D’s work is more: food = medicine. The example he showed above with the grains. He is aware of the phytic acid, has evaluated it and recommends it because it is good for something else. I guess for me it boils down to the fact that I do not want to eat what my “ancestors” ate. I want to improve on it. adapt it to the 21st century. Also I wonder how some A’s would age. I guess I believe in blood type differences, lol.

I would say paleo could work very well for most people compared to SAD. It is over time the important issue.

But as you mentioned on the first post, grains do not make you feel good so it obviously works for you. But beware, coconut and avocado are black dots. You have done GTD six month, you can consume them now but, in moderation not on a daily basis lol.

Best wishes.

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Wow! Dr D posted on my thread with some good info.
Susanna if you recall sweet potatoes are recommended in the for athletes book,besides they are a Hunter superfood and not a member of the nightshades like white potatoes.There are various guidelines that people call "paleo" but diet soda and protein drinks are junk as we all know.

I agree with you in that the Paleo is more of an elimination diet and GTD is more food as medicine.Grains are not medicine for me in any way...pure intestine stretching filler,I'll stick with green veggies from now on.
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So - thought I would chime in on this thread.

It seems as if, according to Dr D's great post, that I can eat some grains - brown rice or millet and still keep my weight loss going???
I have been focusing on diamond foods as much as possible and just one piece of ezekiel with my eggs in the morning.
It seems that I have actually already lost a pound! These diamond foods are extraordinary.

I still have not given up the one cup of coffee - ugh!
I need to do this because I am going to England for Christmas and no one drinks coffee in my family and I will be grumpy without!!
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I guess for me it boils down to the fact that I do not want to eat what my “ancestors” ate. I want to improve on it. adapt it to the 21st century. Also I wonder how some A’s would age. I guess I believe in blood type differences, lol.

I would say paleo could work very well for most people compared to SAD. It is over time the important issue.




Chiming in as an Ao, I happen to know that my mother was AA (due to the fact that she had an A1 child, and another A2 child) and that her meaty, milky diet was her mainstay until her death at age 46 of bone cancer.You could say that she did not have the opportunity to age, but already in her forties I thought she looked old (from a teenager's perspective of course). I think she was a Teacher from her appearance. That is clearly only of anecdotal value in a scientific sense, but it seems like some sort of evidence to me of differing needs of different blood types.




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Chiming in as an Ao, I happen to know that my mother was AA (due to the fact that she had an A1 child, and another A2 child) and that her meaty, milky diet was her mainstay until her death at age 46 of bone cancer.You could say that she did not have the opportunity to age, but already in her forties I thought she looked old (from a teenager's perspective of course). I think she was a Teacher from her appearance. That is clearly only of anecdotal value in a scientific sense, but it seems like some sort of evidence to me of differing needs of different blood types.



Hi Jenny, I hope you can answer some questions for me.

Did you know for sure that your mother was an AA or are you deducting that she was?

What is type Ao?

Does that mean that one of your parents was type O?  Is Ao different from
A1?

Oooh, I'm so confused but so curious to find out more.  My sisters and I are all type A.
We don't know what our parent's blood types were..My mother also died of cancer in her
40s..lymphoma.

What possible blood types could my parents have been if all of their children wind up with
type A blood?  


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Jenny,

Thanks for sharing about A1 and A2 child meaning AA mother with Type O father!
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