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Ron-A-Non
Sunday, August 17, 2008, 9:39am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I've been getting those pains in my gallbladder region again... Tonight it was pretty bad, and I've been feeling sleepy and a bit sick to my stomach.

I don't know if this is part of a cleansing reaction or something, but I don't like it a bit.

Last week I went to the clinic and they said it couldn't be gallbladder because I wasn't nauseous and running a fever, so there you have it.  
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Could be IBS. Could even be H. Pylori. I think you need a good work-up.


A whole system is a living system is a learning system.’ -Stewart Brand
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Ron-A-Non
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H. Pylori?  Aw, man...
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I'm just saying..


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Andrea AWsec
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Quoted from Dr. D
I think you need a good work-up.


Ron.. if you go for an upper endoscopy ( mouth to stomach scope) see if you can have the colon done at the same time.
Less anesthesia and all done in one day.
Alot of doctors won't do this because they don't get paid for two procedures  even though they proform both.   The anesthsiologist doesn't like this either.
I know it doesn't sound pretty   but once it is over you will have some answers.

The other test is an ERCP it looks at the gallbladder with a scope.







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Sorry your not feeling well Ron,
I had the same kind of pain for the longest time on my right side, I mentioned this to my buddy who told me he was experiencing the same thing. He went through all of the high dollar tests which cost him plenty. They came up with nothing.
I waited it out and with some NAP supplements, and following the BT diet  the pain went away.
It took months to be completely pain free and still don't know what was going on.
Hope you get well soon.
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stomach function is Teacher's Achilles heal in my book leading to problems in the pipes below...lemon and water is a must to increase stomach acid and help break down food so you do not tax the lower organs


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don't listen to the doc who said it could'nt be gallbladder.....it sounds like it is  to me....(sure, I'm not a doc..lol) but I had it for yrs ...just like you said, and finally had laparoscopic to take it out. Am much better!! But I realize there are natural ways to cure it too...taking breakstone herb, etc. but I just hurt too much to try it.
By the way, if you have stones a sonogram can spot them easily, the problem is you may pass them (which you can do at any time) before the sonogram....then you're good if you stop making them...
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What are the Symptoms of Gallstones?

Most people with gallstones do not have symptoms. They have what are called silent stones and require no treatment. Silent stones usually are detected during a routine medical checkup or examination for another illness.

A gallstone attack usually is marked by a steady, severe pain in the upper abdomen. Attacks may last only 20 or 30 minutes but more often they last for one to several hours. A gallstone attack may also cause nausea or vomiting, or pain between the shoulder blades, or in the right shoulder. Attacks may be separated by weeks, months, or even years. Once a true attack occurs, subsequent attacks are much more likely.

Blockage of the cystic duct is a common complication. Gallstones that become lodged in the cystic duct and block the flow of bile cause cholecystitis, an inflammation of the gallbladder.

A less common but more serious problem occurs when gallstones become lodged in the bile ducts between the liver and intestine. This blocks bile flow from the gallbladder and liver, causing pain and jaundice. Gallstones may also interfere with the flow of digestive fluids secreted from the pancreas into the small intestine, leading to pancreatitis, an inflammation of the pancreas. Prolonged blockage of any of these ducts can cause severe damage to the gallbladder, liver, or pancreas, which can be fatal. Warning signs include fever, jaundice, and persistent pain.


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I never had a serious attack such as you describe....just dull pain in the right side of the abdomen, and a feeling of being stuffed....and uncomfortable....a tad nauseous....
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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
What are the Symptoms of Gallstones?
A gallstone attack usually is marked by a steady, severe pain in the upper abdomen. Attacks may last only 20 or 30 minutes but more often they last for one to several hours. A gallstone attack may also cause nausea or vomiting, or pain between the shoulder blades, or in the right shoulder. Attacks may be separated by weeks, months, or even years. Once a true attack occurs, subsequent attacks are much more likely.


A less common but more serious problem occurs when gallstones become lodged in the bile ducts between the liver and intestine. This blocks bile flow from the gallbladder and liver, causing pain and jaundice. Gallstones may also interfere with the flow of digestive fluids secreted from the pancreas into the small intestine, leading to pancreatitis, an inflammation of the pancreas. Prolonged blockage of any of these ducts can cause severe damage to the gallbladder, liver, or pancreas, which can be fatal. Warning signs include fever, jaundice, and persistent pain.


That's pretty much what mine were like. They lasted for hours, sometimes a day of two. I had about 5 attacks before a stone got stuck in the bile duct.

All the attacks were very painful, with lots of back pain and vomiting. (I'm talking wishing you would just die and get it over with pain. And I have a high pain threshold) Not fun at all. The last of course was the worst and made me go to the emergency room. I ended up with severe pancreatitis with the fever, jaundice and the worst pain I have ever had in my life. I had hundreds of tiny stones. I thihk it is the small ones that cause the most trouble.

I can't say I miss my gallbladder  

I hope you are able to find the problem Ron, and get whatever it is taken care of.




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Well, if it's any consolation, h. pylori wouldn't require anything stuck down your throat to test for...

It could be gallbladder, if you'd had a fever that could have been an emergency...maybe emergency was all they were looking for?  There are a few different tests they can run for that as well, without requiring an endoscope.

My niece's gastroenterologist put her on a course of a specific type of antibiotics (Linnea, or something), as it was the fastest way to test for parasites and such.  (She had reflux and lots of tummy aches) It worked and she didn't need any further tests.  A good gastroenterologist can be a great thing...a bad one is not so great though.  Try to find a good one.  My son (probable teacher) probably needs that same treatment, but lately has been feeling pretty well.

Gallbladders are pretty expendible in my family, I'm one of the few over 30 that still has mine.  Often they just aren't functioning properly, so they get them out and feel better. I wasn't that eager to go under the knife, so I just clean up my diet a bit if I start to feel any trouble (like tiredness or trouble digesting heavy foods).


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hi Ron, I'm so sorry for you that you aren't well....but Peter is right about his suggs...ther's a bloodtest just taken a drop of your fingerberry and whithin 5 Minutes it is known if the
pains are made by Pylori; worth to go and check it...and then would go also for other tests .......did you went for the gallbladder flush .....


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I do get a weird tingling, throbbing sensation between my shoulderblades after I eat...

I hope I don't get jaundice.  When my grandmother was dying of pancreatic cancer, she turned school bus orange all over, from jaundice.

I have been getting headaches and all that.

The problem is that I don't have insurance, so going to see a decent doctor is out for the time being.  I'm in school -- tiresomely, yet again -- but I don't have the kind of insurance that allows for that.  

I suppose I could go to one of those free Soviet-style clinics, but I'll almost certainly get a good-enough-for-government-work caliber of diagnosis and treatment.
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All the attacks were very painful, with lots of back pain and vomiting. (I'm talking wishing you would just die and get it over with pain. And I have a high pain threshold) Not fun at all. The last of course was the worst and made me go to the emergency room. I ended up with severe pancreatitis with the fever, jaundice and the worst pain I have ever had in my life. I had hundreds of tiny stones. I thihk it is the small ones that cause the most trouble.


Heidi,

I was doing some digging on gallstones, and I found somewhere that talks about blood type "A" having a significantly higher rate of them than other types.

What's more, I wouldn't be at all surprised if A-nonnies (who I am insistently assured are not, in response to an offhand remark of mine, the "cursed of the earth") have a higher incidence of them.

I just finished reading a book called "The Calcium Bomb", and it talks about the discovery of a new species of calcium-enshrouding nanobacterium that actually causes artery obstruction and hardening through their enshrouding process, as well as stones of the gallbladder and kidneys.  

The treatment is a blend of natural digestive enzymes and EDTA to dissolve the shrouding, and a dose of tetracycline to finally kill off the nanobacteria.  It's been going on for over 10 years now and, according to reports, it's achieving enormous improvements in seemingly hopeless, recurring cases of calcification.

Even NASA and the NIH are heavily involved in it now... it's a quiet breakthrough headlined by a Tampa, Florida-based company called Nanobac.
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would you mind to observe your thoughts' a bit ..... this isn't meant to offend you at all...what I observe is that you suggest always to develop  other person's sickness .... in a strange form of repetitions....Ronibear...you are you and not the other person; so better to go for a big checkup and then yuck it is....perhaps a bit of hypericinum would do the trick as well   and a biiig hug and   to solve your fears  


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What about those gallbladder flushes? Could they help?

My mother had h. pylori. Her symptom was a burning sensation/pain on one side of her stomach. Do you have that?  It's a simple blood test.
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Hi Isa and Ron,
I really know the risk of hypocondria, to worsen or invent symptoms reading much medical research and health stuff ! I was taught by my father, an oncologist doc, that is a phase that medical school students deal with in the beginnning of their studies ! that was useful to know for me together  to be reared as first child that should stay well, perform at my best and  be of exemple to my sister and brother
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IceB...hope you feel better soon.  
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MG... I don't thought about hypochondria but merely about fears to live or fears not to be alife ......running free flottant
fears.....


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Isa,

It's possible that I do have hypochondria; you're right.  But I do have the pains I'm describing.
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Kind of ironic...  If you are having pains in your gallbladder region (upper R quadrant) that is called your hypochondriacal region (beneath the ribs)...    

So you are having hypochondriacal pain that may be partially hypochondriacal (ie: worry).


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My 81 year old dad had his gallbladder removed quite a while back.  It turned out that he had these wierd calcified stones that blocked his gb and they ended up taking out part of his liver and intestine also.  But I think he was in his 70's when this occurred.  He is a type A, rather hypochondriacal also.  He's always going to the doctor,but then again, he's not well.  Diabetes, cardiac/blood pressure problems, and the weight problems that underly it all.  He's always been a big eater.  Grew up in a poor italian home in Jersey City, NJ....eating lots of pasta and wheat based foods.  When I last visited, I looked at his fingertips to see if he had white lines.  I hate to admit it, but he had the wrinkliest lines in his prints.  I am "positive" he is an undiagnosed celiac....I too have those lines, but I am type O+....
Icebear, are you a wheat eater, or a wheat avoider?  Just wondering?
Definitely go get tested for that gall bladder though.  I had some pains there a few years back during a move from one home to another. The trigger seemed to be varnish work going on in the kitchen....and stress.  I did a gall bladder flush and it really did help.
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Sorry you're not feeling good, Ron, good luck and feel better. Sounds like gallbladder to me, but I'm no dr. either. I can't think of anything besides trying Chanca Piedra (royal break stone) which worked wonders for me. Look around for a lower-cost clinic, you can probably find a decent one.
Hugs.
Dr. D's right, you need a good checking-up.


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I do get a weird tingling, throbbing sensation between my shoulderblades after I eat...
I talked with my massage therapist the other day because I get pain between my shoulder blades when I eat the wrong foods (gluten and dairy). She said that the area between the shoulderblades (in the acupuncture philosophy) is where the stomach and pancreas meridians (I think that is what she meant) are. If she is right, that might be interesting for you because it would relate to your problems in the abdomen.
I would follow Dr. D's advice and get a good checkup.
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