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franklina
Tuesday, April 22, 2008, 11:47pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Is it a typo, or is beef really OK for Warriors? The avoid list only shows beef parts, not the meat itself...which would mean the meat is neutral. It's an avoid for A's and AB's, and they're the only ones who can be Warriors.
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It's not clear that beef is not a toxin. Veal, on the other hand, is clearly not on the toxin list. Make of that what you will.  
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It's not clear that beef is not a toxin. Veal, on the other hand, is clearly not on the toxin list. Make of that what you will.  
Right. Actually, my question came up over something Madame Butterfly pointed out over on the GTD board a few weeks ago. We were noticing how the "foods tested" list was worded, and based on that, it did seem as though beef was a neutral. It does not seem to make sense, though; I'm still scratching my head over it. I suppose it would be useful to know, if I ever had to choose between beef and chicken.

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I guess I am a bit confused by this. On page 254 of the GT book it says

"There are no recommended red meats."

I see this as very clear. Red meat is not a choice for warriors.

It says the same thing on the following page 255 for poultry.



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Well, it seems to be as clear as muddy water, at least, that "There are no recommended red meats." I think Dr. D. needed a better proofreader!
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Well, just because it's not recommended doesn't mean it's not neutral, but boy--it's a big leap of assumption to put it in the neutral category.  It's never been okay for As or ABs.


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I guess I am a bit confused by this. On page 254 of the GT book it says

"There are no recommended red meats."

I see this as very clear. Red meat is not a choice for warriors.

It says the same thing on the following page 255 for poultry.



Not being recommended is not the same as being a toxin, it means that they are not superfoods (which are recommended). Neutrals are neutrals. If I were a Warrior, I would avoid beef as a toxin but might consider using veal on rare occasion based on how I have read the book and lists. Since I'm not a Warrior it is moot for me, the Warriors have to decide for themselves.
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Humbug.  I'd eat lamb before I'd eat veal, since it was neutral for me as an A nonnie.


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Well, just because it's not recommended doesn't mean it's not neutral, but boy--it's a big leap of assumption to put it in the neutral category.  It's never been okay for As or ABs.


I won't split hairs with anyone about this. Is there anywhere else that those words are in any diet except for beef and poultry in the Warrior diet? I don't think so.
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I won't split hairs with anyone about this. Is there anywhere else that those words are in any diet except for beef and poultry in the Warrior diet? I don't think so.


Everyone else has at least one superfood in each category, so there is no applicable logic. I will also note that Warriors frequency for Red Meats is 0-1, and Poulty 0-2 per week. I would think this would indicate that there are indeed neutrals that can be used. That's just my take. Turkey and veal look like suspects from here.
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Not being recommended is not the same as being a toxin, it means that they are not superfoods (which are recommended). Neutrals are neutrals. If I were a Warrior, I would avoid beef as a toxin but might consider using veal on rare occasion based on how I have read the book and lists. Since I'm not a Warrior it is moot for me, the Warriors have to decide for themselves.


Page 166 reads, Regarding Warriors "Red meats and all sources of trans fats should be avoided. They cause arterial inflammation, thicken the blood and accelerate the aging process in Warriors". Beef is listed as a toxin, veal to me is a form of beef/red meat.
I know for me meat causes bad constipation evidence of a sluggish metabolism. Even turkey will bother me as an occassional meal.

In nutrition, "red meat" is synonymous with "mammal meat." The term is often considered misleading, as not all mammal meat appears red, and some non-mammal meat can be red.
So as far as I know veal is red meat it is mammal meat.


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Warriors tend to be fast acetylators, they typically have trouble cleaning out certain environmental toxins from their bodies. Red meat contains Toxins that wreak havoc in the body if they aren't filtered out; instead of removing them, Warriors convert these by-products into carcinogens, which can bind to DNA and end up causing stomach, colon, or breast cancer.


it is very clear....


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Beef is listed as a toxin

The (beef) toxins for Warriors are:

Beef, bone soups, and broths
Beef heart
Beef liver

Over in red meat heaven (pg. 192), "Beef" and "Beef, bone soups and broths" are two separate items, as they are on the list of foods tested for the GTD.

(Did anyone notice that "Beef, tongue" is also missing from the Warrior avoid list? )

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dream on!!


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From my standpoint and the experience that I have had with beef for over a decade, there is no way under the sun I would consider it anything but an AVOID, period! People can do whatever they want with the stuff, it is off my list. In fact, if there were a POISON list, beef would be listed there for me. Beef tongue, beef heads, beef legs, beef broth, beef ears, beef whatever - NEVER!
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dream on!!


there is no end to the dreaming; my dream is that the proof reading could be re-done and adjustments made before the next edition of the book.




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Sometimes I wonder how many ways Peter has to say something to get it through our thick skulls?
  
I recently heard a report on NPR. They took smokers and played radio programs to them that were  full of static. They heard both positive things about smoking and negative things about smoking, on the program. When the positive stuff was played the smokers fixed the static, when the negative stuff was played the smokers didn't fix the static.
  So they heard what they wanted to hear.. and kept on smoking thinking it was good for them.   Now we all know the truth but people often only hear what they want.

Spring I am with you on this one.. beef in any form is a toxic avoid, call it what you want, just don't eat it.

I guess if you're a Nomad it is hard to understand what beef does to a Warriors body. It has always bothered me. Good Lord get the enema bag.


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there is no end to the dreaming; my dream is that the proof reading could be re-done and adjustments made before the next edition of the book.
My thoughts exactly. Clear communication is so powerful.

I think some of the other responses are interesting, though. Dottie1, I hope you're not saying you think I have a thick skull. This isn't about wishing I could eat red meat; I'm feeling so much better without it!
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didn t you read the ask Dr D part in the GTD site, franklina, when you were a member?
read my quote above, stated by Dr D on red meat and warriors.
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1208908071/s-0/#num11


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It's an avoid for me. It says "beef" on my avoids..I don't know about the other Warriors in the family here.

Isn't there any Warriors on the GTD website who can ask Dr. D and get a definite answer?  It might be ok or a typo.. I started the same thread a few months ago..

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didn t you read the ask Dr D part in the GTD site, franklina, when you were a member?
read my quote above, stated by Dr D on red meat and warriors.
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1208908071/s-0/#num11
Lola, I'm sorry you think I'm such a bonehead.  

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no way!!
just pointing out something I consider answers the question.


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Oh no I don't want to be misunderstood. I think in general humans/mankind seems to be thick in the head, we hear things how we want them myself included.  I did this a while ago with wheat and the white lines on my prints.
I asked in all sorts of ways so I could get permission to eat some bread.. something anything. I knew the answer but some how I didn't want to hear it.
So it was merely a generalization, not directed at anyone in particular.
I even include myself in that generalization.


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no way!!
just pointing out something I consider answers the question.
Whew!
But as Lloyd pointed out, Warriors are allowed to have red meat "0-1 times weekly"...that leaves a little wiggle room for individual differences.

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.. something anything
(for me, it's chocolate)

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