Hi .... wanting suggestions for pain relief from this osteoarthritis and fibromyalgia other than medical prescriptions and Ibuprofen!!!  

I take the pain as long as I can in my neck and back and then when it gets to the horrid headache stage, I give in to the Ibuprofen.

I receive chiropractic care, massages, I do heat and sometimes ice, and recently have started an at home back/neck stretching program so I'm working as many angles as I can afford...

I know there must be something natural out there...

Anyone?     

Dr. Christopher's Muscle Pain Relief spray

What about this?  Anyone tried it?

what's about to read Dr. Sarno's books* mind over backpain and or *the devided mind*...weew super books


orthomolecular recommendations in case of pains:

7,5 - 15 or 30 grams of Vit. C iv.
500-1'000 ug's of Selen per os.
400-800 IE's of Vit. E per os
2-4 grams of omega 3 fatty acids

ooops, sorry have to continue later...have to hurry right now

ok here we go for continuing:
clasique orthomolecular advice is:

Vit. B1 1-2'000mg's
Vit. B6 50-100mg's
Vit. B12 1-5mg's per week i.m.
B-complex    the 3x amount of the FDA recommendation
Vit. C 3-5 -60 grams
Vit.E 4-800 mg's
Selen 100-1'000grams
Mg 4-600mg's
electrolytes
omega 3 fatty acids 2-4 grams
Uridin/Cytidin 2,5-5mg's
Arginin 5-10-15 grams i.v.
Tryptophan 3x50-100mg's
D-Phenylalanin 250-1'000mg's

I'll add also alpha lipoic acid 3x2 or 300mg's

good luck to you  

calcium/magnesium with vit D...calms the nervous system and calms pain receptors

Bromelain (500mgs) with Quercetin(300mgs)...in between meals 3 to 4 times a day

Epson salt baths a few times a week before bed

google Traumeel

First get the Secetoer test done,then get the Arthritis book  and start living by it.
I have had low back, hip, knee, and foot pain for years, after going to the Arthritis book and taking Deflect, Calcium, Bromelain, the pain is gone, but let me off of it for one week and pain is back then it takes two weeks to get read of it.
I am a Secetor but if I use any grain it causes trouble.
I have found that if you eat a good protien about three hours before you go to bed it helps to get better and more  restful sleep, If I eat a good cut of beef at 7: PM go to bed at 10: PM I will sleep untill 4: AM awake fully rested and ready to go.
If I don't I wake at 1: to 2: AM and then have trouble going back to sleep.
I have had osteoarthritis of the spine and fibromyalgia, My chiropractor was my best freind two times a week for three years, before I found Eat Right, it toke a year before I got over most of the pain and about two years to get read of the rest of the pain, I have now been four years and am pain free.

Wow.. wonderful testimony Larry C.  Thank you so much.  Had the Secretor test done years ago.  I'm a Secretor and beef seems to really give me energy.  

I'm doing Vit. D and Phytocal but have yet to add the Bromelain.  Will get some right away.

Do you think you've had a slow down in the progression of the diseases or a complete stop?

Thanks again...

Quoted from LarryC.

...it toke a year before I got over most of the pain and about two years to get read of the rest of the pain, I have now been four years and am pain free.

That is a great testimonial Larry! I have been on the O-Diet for about 3 months now and still have sciatica (although it is much better). It seems that it will never go, but when I read that it took you one year or two, my hope goes up again.
When you say you are grain free, does that also include the 'neutral' grains such as rice, millet, amaranth and quinoa?

No it is not a complete stop, If I eat green bell peppers it's back in 3 hours, and stays for a day and half, so I have to watch what I eat.
I do think taht as time goes on it will even slow down more and maybe stop.
But I will always stay on Eat Right, I never want to go back where I was.
I was in pain to bad to speak about and could not get around, I could not walk up and down stairs for 22 years with it, now I can.

Bromelain, Bromelain, Bromelain.

I take 1,000-1,500mg first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, along with either Ghee or Intrinsa and Polyflora.

The only Grain I eat is some Rye And Rice but not all the time, maybe one or two slices of 100% rye a week, and may be rice once a week.
On my Swami all grains but Rye And Rice are high Gluten or polyamine food.
I have been off of them so long I don't miss them.
About once every two weeks I will have some Spelt noddles with my Great Grand Daughter (3 1/2 years old)

What is a SWAMI?
Jean

Swami (Serotyping With Advanced Modifying Inventories) Some of your medical history,your Biometric measuring, finger prints, and more all put in to Dr. D's computer and it comes back with a food plan just for YOU.
It is the lead in to the Geneo type testing.

Is there anyone who does SWAMI in Australia? I'd be very interested in it.

As you first enter the web site look under find a BTD Practitioner, there is one listed, I don't know how close you are to them, but check it out.

Thanks Larry, they are far from where I am, but I sometimes go to Sydney or Melbourne, I'll make an appointment then.

Hey Funky, I just came off of an addiction to excedrin.  I'd get horrible headaches and just general aches and pains mostly in my back muscles.  But God is good, my friend who works at my health food store told me about PHENOCANE a natural pain reliever made from natural ingredients with no harmful side affects.  Youe vision will get blurred if you take 6 a day for more than 2 weeks.  You won't have to take that many.  This stuff really works.  If you want to read about it just type in PHENOCANE and then search.  Also take a lot of bromalain on an empty stomach.  The combination will do wonders for you.

I looked up PHENOCANE  and one of the ingredients is Cucurmin.. isn't this Tumeric?

I take 500 mg of this every morning with my vitimins.

But this combination in Phenocane looks great.  Thank you all for the continued testimonies and suggestions!  

Also LarryC... did your Swami change much on the BTD food lists for your type???

White Willow bark or Feverfew for headaches.  Capsaicin cream for body pain.

Quoted from KimonoKat

Bromelain, Bromelain, Bromelain.

I take 1,000-1,500mg first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, along with either Ghee or Intrinsa and Polyflora.

I'm a believer in bromlelain thanks to you It has done wonders with my knee and also my hands feels so much better. but KK I can't imagine eating ghee straight up  

Quoted from Rodney

I'm a believer in bromlelain thanks to you It has done wonders with my knee and also my hands feels so much better. but KK I can't imagine eating ghee straight up  

HAAAAA!!! Those little faces made me laugh out loud!  Great usage after that sentence!!! HAAA!!!

Nice to have something make me laugh this morning...

Quoted from Rodney

I can't imagine eating ghee straight up  

I love a bit of ghee right out of the jar (not melted). Mmm mmm mmm. Try it; you might be surprised.  

Quoted from KimonoKat

Bromelain, Bromelain, Bromelain.

I take 1,000-1,500mg first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, along with either Ghee or Intrinsa and Polyflora.

Hey KimonoKat... do you also take it later in the day on an empty tummy?

Quoted from Rodney

I'm a believer in bromlelain thanks to you It has done wonders with my knee and also my hands feels so much better. but KK I can't imagine eating ghee straight up  

Ah, ya gotta be a devout BTD'er.

Think of Ghee this way.  It's either Ghee, or ---->

Quoted from KimonoKat

Ah, ya gotta be a devout BTD'er.

Think of Ghee this way.  It's either Ghee, or ---->

oh!
well I don't seem to have that problem.
But this must be why you are living past the age of 100

Yes the Swami had a big change in my food, It took away more grain than before, but that was ok I knowed that I did not need the grain.
It gave me more Vegs. and increased my size of meat.
I am well pleased with my food list, I sure enjoy the food I have to eat.