Interesting, my father's family comes from the province of Lerida (Cataluña, Spain) same as I understand your mother does but his Y chromosome is R1b. Also, my father and I are O.
My father's family had come from England (Cambridge) and it seems your mother has Jewish ancestry. Fascinating, so close and yet such differences.
A curious note for forum members, El Cid (There was a Hollywood film with Charlton Heston and Sofia Loren) started his fights against the Moors in that region, before America was discovered. And, as with most of Spain, the area had Moors, Jews, and Christians. Funny thing, they lived and worked together and got along quite well creating a very prosperous region in terms of culture, trade... for 800 years and this, while the rest of Europe, all Christian, was in the Middle Ages.
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http://www.filmaffinity.com/es/film568435.html Lion of the desert staring Anthony Quinn, Oliver Reed, Rod Steiger, Irene Papas, John Gielgud, Raf Vallone, also from those days..... great read there, too!
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""lived and worked together and got along quite well creating a very prosperous region in terms of culture, trade... for 800 years and this, while the rest of Europe, all Christian, was in the Middle Ages."
""lived and worked together and got along quite well creating a very prosperous region in terms of culture, trade... for 800 years and this, while the rest of Europe, all Christian, was in the Middle Ages."
http://www.filmaffinity.com/es/film568435.html Lion of the desert staring Anthony Quinn, Oliver Reed, Rod Steiger, Irene Papas, John Gielgud, Raf Vallone, also from those days..... great read there, too!
Lola, do you mean same time frame? El Cid lived last half of 1000 (1050-1100) aprox.
I wonder if Dr. D's mother goes way then. Probably. Mine arrived to Lerida (from what we can gather) in 1400's.
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mea culpa!!! this is the book I was talking about! although that movie doesn t sound bad at all!! written by Amin Maalouf: the Biography of Leo Africanus - Hassan Ibn Muhammad Al Wazzan Al Fasi http://baheyeldin.com/history/leo-africanus.html
this was before the middle ages.....16th century Europe, great book!
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I was mentioning the book......Spain before the middle ages...... that s it!
the movie I mentioned before has nothing to do with the book, sorry. I mixed up the titles, that s all..... mea culpa means my fault....or ooooops, sorry!!! lol
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mea culpa!!! this is the book I was talking about! although that movie doesn t sound bad at all!! written by Amin Maalouf: the Biography of Leo Africanus - Hassan Ibn Muhammad Al Wazzan Al Fasi http://baheyeldin.com/history/leo-africanus.html
this was before the middle ages.....16th century Europe, great book!
The film sounds good but the book sounds much better !. Does the biography go into depth of his conversions: Islam to Christianity back to Islam... Would love to know the details of his thoughts/reasons.
My ancestry is from Spain and Sicily. Both my parents are blends of both.
Apparently, my great-grandmother's grandmother was Jewish. And my great-grandmother's grandmother's daughter was my great-grandmother's mother. And my great-grandmother's daughter was my mother's mother. And I, of course, am my mother's son.
So, apparently, that makes me and my sister both (even though religion is not my thing)...
I would be curious to see my results on this geographic test.
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Susana, read the book! it s worth it! Leon el africano........read it in Spanish and I believe it is the original language of the author.... about the character in the book http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le%C3%B3n_el_Africano
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Dr's D's results are interesting and I have some observations. I took this same test back in the summer of '05. I was not sure what to expect because I did not have as much knowledge and my ancestors were mixed origin.
I am also R1b (which is Cro-Magnon see http://archaeology.about.com/od/earlymansites/a/cro_magnon.htm). Dr D can take further "sub-claeve" tests to determine more detail. A layman might correlate sub-claeve as "clan"...geneticist just don't want to correlate the terms. My sub-claeve results were R1b1c*. The bottom-line is that the Y-chromosome is passed on from father to son unless a mutation takes place. Surnames do not always correlate...my surname is Anglo-Saxon but I am not germanic or celtic based upon Y-chromosome. The germanic and celtic peoples came much later (and probably from the russian steppe region) than the Cro-Magnon (neolithic). My ancestors simply "assumed" one of the most common Anglo-saxon surnames...possibly because the surname is a "trade or occupation" in origen. Interestingly, I am rarely closely related to any other "Wright's" genetically. Instead, I usually correlate with other British/Irish/Scottish individuals with different surnames...and with other western atlantic countries as well. This is why the population geneticists use the term "Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype" (http://www.familytreedna.com/MatchWAMH.html).
My observations:
1) it would be very interesting to locate the "Ice-age refuge" of individual sub-claeves of the R1b. Ex: is it a particular valley/cave in France or Spain or the Czech Republic. My guess is that we will know this within 5-7 years. I'll be making a pilgrimage someday
2) Dr D is a blood-type A superimposed upon a very old and tough R1b Y-Chromosome. I'm an O- superimposed on the same R1b. My male siblings have a similar hybridization (2 brother's who are B's). How does this affect the nutrition and lifestyle vis-avis the blood-type diet? I have some thoughts based upon my small statistics but I'll wait for folks replies
3) Look-a-likes:
While recovering from my colonoscopy last Wed (no polyps!), I was watching the US Open. Low and behold, I saw a look-a-like...people often claim they know me. This tennis pro's name is Alun Jones from Australia. 5"11, dark brown to black hair, same build and facial features (long and thin face), and the same thin/long hands. He plays a very similar game as I do (abiet w/o his success), two handed backhand, forcing serve, hustles around the court, and takes the net when possible…even has a weak forehand relative to the backhand and bad ankles He is a journeyman pro who got a wildcard entry for Australia at the US Open. Alun's privilege was to play the #2 ranked player in the world in the 1st round…Rafael Nadal. Alun got one set off of Nadal and played him evenly for 2.5 hours then he was spent.
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